USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Josh Allen's long passes are fine, we need some wide receivers with longer arms. EXACTLY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: What's his accuracy% on throws 20 yard downfield? I bet it's alot better and that IS considered a deep ball Throwing 30-40-50 yards downfield has ALWAYS BEEN A CRAPSHOOT Lies. Keep making excuses for the kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Honestly, I think some of them like Beasley one was just a throw away. Others you can tell when he gets upset that he missed them. So you call a play on 3rd and 3, typically is made at over 50%, that is a throw away? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 The thread title, in and of itself, let’s the people around here saying that he ‘had the long ball last year’ crowd know that they’re incorrect. While the long ball is exciting and something to ‘make me wanna shout,’I would much rather have long sustained drives. The occasional deep ball throw will keep opposing D’s true. Josh is a developing QB, simple as that. Small school pedigree with HUGE upside. It was a gamble and one that I, for one, think will pay off long term. Short term? He’s 6-3 this year so the arrow is pointing up. Give that to the D if you want but in 6 games out of 9, he’s done enough in his 20th start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Just now, JoPar_v2 said: Lies. Keep making excuses for the kid. Whats a lie that throwing 40-50 yard downfield is a crapshoot? I don't make excuses for Bills players I watch the game objectively Brees had a 11% accuracy on balls over 30 yatds last season. One of the most accurate QBs in the world 40 yard throws are crapshoots and are year by year statistically. You can go from 30% one year to 10% the next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 18 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: You are obviously not paying attention well to the thread. Benching Allen now when showing progression is the art of stupidity and one that get's a HC and FO axed. If you start Barkley over a healthy Allen at this stage you are considering Allen a Bust. It's really that black and white. To your questions, you play Allen 100% weather he goes 2-5 or 5-2, this remains to be seen. I can careless what arm chair GM's think Barkley can do due to a 232yd 2TD game against the Jets. Point taken, if Bills finish 9-7 after last year going the way it goes does McDermott survive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Just now, USABuffaloFan said: Point taken, if Bills finish 9-7 after last year going the way it goes does McDermott survive? Of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, USABuffaloFan said: Not writing this to bash Josh Allen, I like him and think he SOME DAY will be a great QB. The problem I have is the Bills could have won two more games with a passer that can hit the long ball. Can Josh throw far, YES. Does Josh have touch to drop a ball over the top shoulder, haven't seen that yet. He is 6-3 so what do you do about this that 9 games hasn't shown you. Can the Bills offense beat Baltimore, Dallas, New England, Pittsburgh and even Denver. Is this Bills team just a QB away? Can they win this year in the playoffs? If your answering YES than Barkley must be given a shot. If your not sure or NO then stay the course and see if Josh develops. I am not saying get rid of Josh, just saying you never hand someone a job without working for it. Josh's upside is huge if this is done right. He is not playing that much better than Taylor at this point of his career. Tough decision, at this point though I see this season's playoff chances in jeopardy with Josh playing like this. Hi usabuffalofan, thanks for the post. Interesting read. I can understand the barkley mention for the future games if nothing changes. When I read Allen 'SOMEDAY will be a great QB' - this is indicative of alot of stuff fans and coaches say, that he just needs to develop to be that. I don't have the same belief that someday he will be great, based on what I've seen and am seeing. Edited November 11, 2019 by london_bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 hour ago, K-9 said: I appreciate the effort. I was hoping there was a single source for league wide stats in this area. 36 is a lot of attempts of over 30 air yards, but I’m not surprised as Allen led the league in air yards per attempt last season. I’m guessing it’s way down this year. is it a lot though? It works out to what? About 2 per start he’s made? 2 a game seems pretty reasonable to me. And 3 for 36 is pathetic. Not all those misses are solely Allen’s fault, but we all know many of them are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Whats a lie that throwing 40-50 yard downfield is a crapshoot? I don't make excuses for Bills players I watch the game objectively Brees had a 11% accuracy on balls over 30 yatds last season. One of the most accurate QBs in the world 40 yard throws are crapshoots and are year by year statistically. You can go from 30% one year to 10% the next Brees, oh yeah we had that thread telling me Josh was just like him a little while ago... that wasn't you i hope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, BananaB said: After the two long INTs against the Pats he got up in front of the media and said McD brought in our record of how many wins to losses they have when he throws multiple INTs. Since then all his deep passes are long. I think right now he is terrified to throw a pick and it’s in his head. Meanwhile, he has went 4 games not throwing an Int. I bet McD loves that. The way he is throwing them I would be happy if he has Zero long ball attempts the rest of the year. Run 50%, use play action and his legs to spread defenses. Please keep Lee off the field, that is 2 less penalties a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Just now, row_33 said: Brees, oh yeah we had that thread telling me Josh was just like him a little while ago... that wasn't you i hope Definitely not and I'm not comparing them at all Stats show the deep ball is Fickle and inconsistent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 15 minutes ago, BananaB said: After the two long INTs against the Pats he got up in front of the media and said McD brought in our record of how many wins to losses they have when he throws multiple INTs. Since then all his deep passes are long. I think right now he is terrified to throw a pick and it’s in his head. Meanwhile, he has went 4 games not throwing an Int. I bet McD loves that. Should have kept Taylor then, lol! 9 minutes ago, row_33 said: gotta slug it out with Josh, folks this isn't Atari where i press reset or make a trade for the QB i wish was here Barkley is said to be the best backup QB in the league. If Josh were a backup would he have that claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Just now, USABuffaloFan said: Should have kept Taylor then, lol! Yeah, he was great at the deep ball until teams figured out that’s all he could do. Then it was just a lot shitload of 3 and outs. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, TroutDog said: The thread title, in and of itself, let’s the people around here saying that he ‘had the long ball last year’ crowd know that they’re incorrect. While the long ball is exciting and something to ‘make me wanna shout,’I would much rather have long sustained drives. The occasional deep ball throw will keep opposing D’s true. Josh is a developing QB, simple as that. Small school pedigree with HUGE upside. It was a gamble and one that I, for one, think will pay off long term. Short term? He’s 6-3 this year so the arrow is pointing up. Give that to the D if you want but in 6 games out of 9, he’s done enough in his 20th start. He needs to stop throwing 40+ in the air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flmike Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Here's a question. What QB developed something he didn't have in college, in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 minute ago, flmike said: Here's a question. What QB developed something he didn't have in college, in the NFL? Ryan leaf and his pill dependency? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Whats a lie that throwing 40-50 yard downfield is a crapshoot? I don't make excuses for Bills players I watch the game objectively Brees had a 11% accuracy on balls over 30 yatds last season. One of the most accurate QBs in the world 40 yard throws are crapshoots and are year by year statistically. You can go from 30% one year to 10% the next 8 minutes ago, london_bills said: Hi usabuffalofan, thanks for the post. Interesting read. I can understand the barkley mention for the future games if nothing changes. When I read Allen 'SOMEDAY will be a great QB' - this is indicative of alot of stuff fans and coaches say, that he just needs to develop to be that. I don't have the same belief that someday he will be great, based on what I've seen and am seeing. I am basing that on he has become a 60% passer in less than a year when everyone said he couldn't. He almost ran for 1000 yards last year and hurdled a linebacker. He is tough as nails and ran for 2 TD's Sunday. There is allot going for him but he has a OC that doesn't help him. Josh should be doing play action or West Coast offense. He can't throw 40 yard+ right now. Use his mobility positively and groom his long ball next off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: How can anyone think a QB who can't come close to hitting on a long throw will be a great QB some day? If Bills lose to the Dolphins on Sunday then I 100% expect Barkley to start vs. the Broncos on 11/24. I have been as critical of Allen as anybody but that won’t nor should it happen. He’s the guy for the season and should be the guy heading into next season. I do think we should see what Andy Daltons cost is next year. If we can do 2 years at 10-12 per, I pull the trigger and Allen gets 4-6 games to show he’s the guy in 2020. If we get 6 games of this production next year, I pull the plug and save the season. Dalton finishes the year and is around as a vet presence for the next draft pick. McBeane has done some things well and somethings poorly. I don’t want to start over AGAIN. But they need to have an immediate back up plan for 2020. They can’t do this again for a 4th year, then be a square one at QB in year 5, and expect to keep their jobs. Their jobs are dependent on either getting very good production out of Allen or having a replacement plan ready and waiting. Edited November 11, 2019 by Mango Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said: Allen was not 6 of 21 in 31+ in the air, he had 3 last year, think all to Foster. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2019/2018-19-deep-ball-project You can also look at NFL.com last years stats. He has 5 completions of 40+ Edited November 11, 2019 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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