Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: Slow down there. I don't have a problem with the general direction of the football team. I think some of us are concerned that the linchpin in the whole operation is a QB that can play every week. To not have skeptical eyes gazing towards young lord Josh is simply idiotic. His numbers show that he is one of the worst QBs in football given the advanced stats. Capable of incredible plays? Yes. Not a real QB. He is what he is. Says the right things, looks the part. Can't stop his natural tendency to cough up the rock and generally do less-than-full-brain-capacity things with the football. It’s one thing to not have skeptical eyes - I think most of the more football-experienced crowd on the board feels jury’s still out on Josh - development this season, still some good, some bad, and a bunch of things he has to improve if he’s gonna be The Man for us. It’s another thing to make posts that suggest you’re watching the Bills games with perhaps less-than-full-brain-capacity. Josh has made much better decisions with the football as far as ball security goes as the season has gone on since the Patriots game. Conditions pretty well sucked today, in case you didn’t know, Wentz has a total of 2 fumbles in the previous 6 games, and he fumbled today. Bottom line though, it’s pretty much impossible to have no problem with the general direction of the football team but to have a problem with, as you say, the lynchpin to the whole operation. The thing is, many of the best QB playing today either did not look that good in their 2nd season or, did not play in their second season. So we have to see how Allen progresses through the season - does he continue to develop or does he take a step back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: He needs to balance his performance over 4 quarters. Today was a bad day for the team overall. But going into today he had the highest 4th quarter QBR in the league. Apparently you like the QBR so read that again. Guys like that don’t suck. Guys that are 30 out of 32 do suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: He is 30 out of 32 in QBR. What metric do you look for? I don't get you apologists. It's like talking to crazy people. I've watched every second of JAs career and the stats match up to what I see. He sucks! You said he needs to play in chaos? How? He’s not out there doing wild stuff anymore. Hes solidly accurate from 0-20 and needs to work on his deep ball. His decision making has been much better since NE. Hes deadly in the redzone. He’s clearly growing as a QB, and he needs to get better, but you do realize Sam and Baker are struggling and we don’t have anything resembling the weapons Mahomes/Watson have. Were 5-2 and you want to throw around advanced stats like we don’t watch the games. At least the Jets/Pats stat-skewing games in a, so far, 7 game season, can help you sound somewhat knowledgeable.... for now. Edited October 28, 2019 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Except....it was McDermott & Co who made the decision to go into the season with Gore, Singletary and Yeldon. That's why I don't think the brain trust saw this as "the year". These guys are aren't dumb and they knew they were thin at RB - both in number & talent. 11 minutes ago, vincec said: It's a passing offense. I don't think that they are going to make getting a dominating RB a priority. Better off looking for OT and WR help if they keep Daboll. I could live with throwing the money at WR & OT but they still have to upgrade RB. Edited October 28, 2019 by CincyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It’s one thing to not have skeptical eyes - I think most of the more football-experienced crowd on the board feels jury’s still out on Josh - development this season, still some good, some bad, and a bunch of things he has to improve if he’s gonna be The Man for us. It’s another thing to make posts that suggest you’re watching the Bills games with perhaps less-than-full-brain-capacity. Josh has made much better decisions with the football as far as ball security goes as the season has gone on since the Patriots game. Conditions pretty well sucked today, in case you didn’t know, Wentz has a total of 2 fumbles in the previous 6 games, and he fumbled today. Bottom line though, it’s pretty much impossible to have no problem with the general direction of the football team but to have a problem with, as you say, the lynchpin to the whole operation. The thing is, many of the best QB playing today either did not look that good in their 2nd season or, did not play in their second season. So we have to see how Allen progresses through the season - does he continue to develop or does he take a step back? I appreciate the measured response. I will, however, disagree with not being able to be on board with the team as a whole and off the boat with Josh. I think that part of modern football is coaches and front offices becoming married to the guy they picked. I like much of the coaching staff. I like most of the team. I think in this day and age it becomes everyone is going down with the ship. He is objectively one of the worst QBs in football according to the stats. They are trying to make it work. Daboll didn't forget how to play offense. I believe he has a QB he is forced to play that can't do what he's asking him to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: You said he needs to play in chaos? How? He’s not out there doing wild stuff anymore. Hes solidly accurate from 0-20 and needs to work on his deep ball. His decision making has been much better since NE. Hes deadly in the redzone. He’s clearly growing as a QB, and he needs to get better, but you do realize Sam and Baker are struggling and we don’t have anything resembling the weapons Mahomes/Watson have. Were 5-2 and you want to throw around advanced stats like we don’t watch the games. At least the Jets/Pats stat-skewing games in a, so far, 7 game season, can help you sound somewhat knowledgeable.... for now. 30 of 32. I watch the games too, friendo. I'll be your Huckleberry. What about JA do you love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: Guys that are 30 out of 32 do suck. So you use QBR as your benchmark, his going into today was the highest one in the 4th quarter in the league, and all of a sudden it doesn’t mean anything. OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, oldmanfan said: So you use QBR as your benchmark, his going into today was the highest one in the 4th quarter in the league, and all of a sudden it doesn’t mean anything. OK. I don't think you understand how numbers work. His 30 out of 32 ranking includes his 4th quarters. That means his first three quarters have been so bad it brings his overall rating to 30 of 32. Got it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: Why don't you watch a HS team? I can say whatever the hell I want and still watch the team. Watching a player that is ranked 30 ourlt of 32 at the most important position in sports and not being able to critique is stupid. Critique all you want. Just empathizing with your plight, fan to fan. The simple fact is you can choose to watch or not, but that’s about it. The team will do what they’re going to do. If it upsets you that much, maybe it’s time to take a break. I wouldn’t bother watching something that I found so annoying, but that’s just me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: I appreciate the measured response. I will, however, disagree with not being able to be on board with the team as a whole and off the boat with Josh. I think that part of modern football is coaches and front offices becoming married to the guy they picked. I like much of the coaching staff. I like most of the team. I think in this day and age it becomes everyone is going down with the ship. He is objectively one of the worst QBs in football according to the stats. They are trying to make it work. Daboll didn't forget how to play offense. I believe he has a QB he is forced to play that can't do what he's asking him to. The front office is not going to give up on a guy 17 starting games or however many games it is into his career..they will do their best to put all their pieces into place and a in the next year or two and then yeah it will be up to josh to show what he’s capable of.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said: The front office is not going to give up on a guy 17 starting games or however many games it is into his career..they will do their best to put all their pieces into place and a in the next year or two and then yeah it will be up to josh to show what he’s capable of.. Bingo^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Critique all you want. Just empathizing with your plight, fan to fan. The simple fact is you can choose to watch or not, but that’s about it. The team will do what they’re going to do. If it upsets you that much, maybe it’s time to take a break. I wouldn’t bother watching something that I found so annoying, but that’s just me. You must not care as much as I do. Am I going to B word and complain when I think fixable things are not being fixed, yes. Will I allow it to influence my day to day life? Of course not. I thought message boards were for this sort of thing. Maybe I'm in the wrong place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, SouthernBills said: I don't think you understand how numbers work. His 30 out of 32 ranking includes his 4th quarters. That means his first three quarters have been so bad it brings his overall rating to 30 of 32. Got it? Well first of all I guarantee I understand numbers and stats better than you. Second, if you would actually read, I said he has to balance his performance over 4 quarters. Finally, a young QB that excels in the fourth quarter of games does not suck. If he did he wouldn’t perform that well when the heat is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, SouthernBills said: You must not care as much as I do. Am I going to B word and complain when I think fixable things are not being fixed, yes. Will I allow it to influence my day to day life? Of course not. I thought message boards were for this sort of thing. Maybe I'm in the wrong place. Hmmm? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 hours ago, FireChans said: Pats. Cowboys. Same...what about the 3rd (for 5th of the season)? I am thinking Cleveland, Baltimore, and Steelers might be tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: Well first of all I guarantee I understand numbers and stats better than you. Second, if you would actually read, I said he has to balance his performance over 4 quarters. Finally, a young QB that excels in the fourth quarter of games does not suck. If he did he wouldn’t perform that well when the heat is on. For such an astute stats man, you must understand that everything regresses to the mean given a proper sample size. 1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Hmmm? Do you want a board full of homers? I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: For such an astute stats man, you must understand that everything regresses to the mean given a proper sample size. Yes I do. Regresses up if below the mean and down if above. Why do you ask? Oh, by the way, since you love QBR, can you tell us how the formula works? Or why it has been the subject of criticism? As for sample size, has Allen had a big enough sample size? What are you sampling? Have you done a power analysis? You sure you want to start down this road? Edited October 28, 2019 by oldmanfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 59 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: How you figure that? It's 3, I guess it just feels like McDermott has been here 4 years already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: For such an astute stats man, you must understand that everything regresses to the mean given a proper sample size. Do you want a board full of homers? I don't get it. No, I just responding to your thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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