Pokebball Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: So do I. As I said yesterday though, only someone who completely lacks objectivity would think the defense hasn't overwhelmingly been responsible for our wins. Our offense and passing game by any metric you can look at is bottom 10 in the NFL. Our defense on the other hand is truly exceptional. Them allowing under 16 points per game is the overwhelming reason we're 10-4 right now. This was true last year. The offense has improved this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, Sundancer said: For sure. The Pats are a tough test for a young QB. Not only will they gameplan well, they will adjust well. And we know John Brown will be neutralized. It will be tough. As I said before the week 4 matchup: work the backs and TEs. NE****** doesn't have the speed at LB to compete with Devin, Yeldon, and Knox...and they're going to commit to stopping Brown, Beasley, and Josh's running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just now, thebandit27 said: As I said before the week 4 matchup: work the backs and TEs. NE****** doesn't have the speed at LB to compete with Devin, Yeldon, and Knox...and they're going to commit to stopping Brown, Beasley, and Josh's running. Man, you've got to think McD and Daboll know this...right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: As I said before the week 4 matchup: work the backs and TEs. NE****** doesn't have the speed at LB to compete with Devin, Yeldon, and Knox...and they're going to commit to stopping Brown, Beasley, and Josh's running. Basically, you have to take what any given team is giving you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just now, eball said: Man, you've got to think McD and Daboll know this...right? No idea. It took Daboll 2-1/2 quarters to target either a RB or a TE in the week 4 contest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: 2 things I believe Allen struggles at are selling screen and playaction. I think he's the main reason we do neither one very well. Can't do particularly good play action from the shotgun, which they are in a lot. I hate that they are in it so much but I get why they do it for the young QB. It's bad for play action and bad for the running game. 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: No idea. It took Daboll 2-1/2 quarters to target either a RB or a TE in the week 4 contest Yeldon was effective in that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, jrober38 said: So do I. As I said yesterday though, only someone who completely lacks objectivity would think the defense hasn't overwhelmingly been responsible for our wins. Our offense and passing game by any metric you can look at is bottom 10 in the NFL. Our defense on the other hand is truly exceptional. Them allowing under 16 points per game is the overwhelming reason we're 10-4 right now. Our defense has scored zero points. To say "overwhelmingly" would imply that the offense is inept (they're not bottom 10 in points; there are 10 teams that score fewer per game). The 2000 Ravens went 5 straight games without an offensive TD. That's inept. They won because the D truly carried them and scored points. Big difference. The defense does their job very well. The offense is doing their job well enough. Also, gotta be careful about "any metric"... https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1206632368460763136 Edited December 17, 2019 by thebandit27 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: No idea. It took Daboll 2-1/2 quarters to target either a RB or a TE in the week 4 contest At that point I'll give him a bit of a pass since all of the offensive pieces were so new (and he had no Singletary or Kroft). After 14 weeks I'm hoping he has a good idea of what they need to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, eball said: At that point I'll give him a bit of a pass since all of the offensive pieces were so new (and he had no Singletary or Kroft). After 14 weeks I'm hoping he has a good idea of what they need to do. No pass from me. If a moron like me knows what plays to call, then a pro like him should've known as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: No pass from me. If a moron like me knows what plays to call, then a pro like him should've known as well. Daboll is a mixed bag for me. There is a really lot to like and equal amount to question. I fear however that he is as hamstrung from doing what he really wants to do by McD as Josh is from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: No pass from me. If a moron like me knows what plays to call, then a pro like him should've known as well. LOL fair enough, but the prospect of going into a game with Gore as the featured back and a rookie TE playing his 4th game wouldn't have given me much confidence in making them the focal point of the gameplan either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: No idea. It took Daboll 2-1/2 quarters to target either a RB or a TE in the week 4 contest How much of that do you place on Daboll? Remember that was the scene of the infamous sideline eruption between the OC and QB. I'm inclined to believe that whatever the plan was, the QB wasn't on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 32 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I agree. The next two weeks we have nothing to lose. Turn him loose and see if he can handle a more wide open playing style. Then we can listen to you cry about an interception. 10-4. You were wrong. Feel free to throw in the towel anytime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) I know people are going to take this comment and run way, far away, from its original intent but I want to post something just for a frame of reference. Below is Drew Brees' first four seasons in the league San Diego (LA): Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV 2001 22 SDG 9 1 0 15 27 55.6 221 1 3.7 0 0.0 11 40 8.2 8.9 14.7 221.0 94.8 2 12 7.21 7.90 6.9 1 2002 23 SDG QB 9 16 16 8-8-0 320 526 60.8 3284 17 3.2 16 3.0 164 52 6.2 5.5 10.3 205.3 76.9 24 180 5.64 4.95 4.4 2 4 10 2003 24 SDG QB 9 11 11 2-9-0 205 356 57.6 2108 11 3.1 15 4.2 94 68 5.9 4.6 10.3 191.6 67.5 21 178 5.12 3.91 5.6 0 1 6 2004* 25 SDG QB 9 15 15 11-4-0 262 400 65.5 3159 27 6.8 7 1.8 142 79 7.9 8.5 12.1 210.6 104.8 18 131 7.24 7.78 4.3 1 2 1 This is his third year, second year as a starter....then see the rebound? It's a huge jump from 57% to 65%. As well as TD / INT ratio takes a drastic leap forward: 2003 24 SDG QB 9 11 11 2-9-0 205 356 57.6 2108 11 3.1 15 Edited December 17, 2019 by BigBuff423 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, GG said: How much of that do you place on Daboll? Remember that was the scene of the infamous sideline eruption between the OC and QB. I'm inclined to believe that whatever the plan was, the QB wasn't on the same page. Based upon the route concepts, a whole lot of it is on Daboll. The sideline spat appeared to be more about Allen's hero-ball than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: As I said before the week 4 matchup: work the backs and TEs. NE****** doesn't have the speed at LB to compete with Devin, Yeldon, and Knox...and they're going to commit to stopping Brown, Beasley, and Josh's running. I dunno about that tbh, Van Noy and Collins on the outside can both move fine. Hightower is a plugger but they don’t really ask much more of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, BigBuff423 said: I know people are going to take this comment and run way, far away, from its original intent but I want to post something just for a frame of reference. Below is Drew Brees' first four seasons in the league San Diego (LA): Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV 2001 22 SDG 9 1 0 15 27 55.6 221 1 3.7 0 0.0 11 40 8.2 8.9 14.7 221.0 94.8 2 12 7.21 7.90 6.9 1 2002 23 SDG QB 9 16 16 8-8-0 320 526 60.8 3284 17 3.2 16 3.0 164 52 6.2 5.5 10.3 205.3 76.9 24 180 5.64 4.95 4.4 2 4 10 2003 24 SDG QB 9 11 11 2-9-0 205 356 57.6 2108 11 3.1 15 4.2 94 68 5.9 4.6 10.3 191.6 67.5 21 178 5.12 3.91 5.6 0 1 6 2004* 25 SDG QB 9 15 15 11-4-0 262 400 65.5 3159 27 6.8 7 1.8 142 79 7.9 8.5 12.1 210.6 104.8 18 131 7.24 7.78 4.3 1 2 1 This is his third year, second year as a starter....then see the rebound? It's a huge jump from 57% to 65%. 2003 24 SDG QB 9 11 11 2-9-0 205 356 57.6 2108 11 3.1 15 Wait, you mean the most accurate QB of all time wasn't born that way? Many times this has been mentioned, but it remains a salient point 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: I disagree. I think Allen is a bottom tier NFL QB. The stats agree. Just just happens to play on an elite football team (think Mitch Trubisky last year). Hopefully he takes a big step forward next year. A lot of people are comparing Allen to Mark Sanchez with how Sanchez was a young QB drafted in the Top 10 who was part of a good team or two in his first couple seasons in the league despite performing poorly statistically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: A lot of people are comparing Allen to Mark Sanchez with how Sanchez was a young QB drafted in the Top 10 who was part of a good team or two in his first couple seasons in the league despite performing poorly statistically. A lot? I haven't seen even one. And I don't remember Allen throwing 20 INTs as a rookie. Not do I remember Sanchez putting up back-to-back-to-back 100 yard rushing games. I swear Wayne, it's like you sit around and think up weird stuff to say. It's funny, but sometimes I wonder about ya dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: A lot? I haven't seen even one. And I don't remember Allen throwing 20 INTs as a rookie. Not do I remember Sanchez putting up back-to-back-to-back 100 yard rushing games. I swear Wayne, it's like you sit around and think up weird stuff to say. It's funny, but sometimes I wonder about ya dude. Comparing stats is a losing battle, regardless of which side you are on. At the end of the day, JA has demonstrated the ability to read defenses and make high difficulty throws. That's the difference between him and EJ, Sanchez, or whoever else you want to point to. JA is making throws those guys couldn't dream of even attempting. Is he top 10 right now? No. Is he bottom 10? No. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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