buffalo2218 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: There was a defensive flag. Allen had a free play. IIRC, the call was defensive holding, don't think that really qualifies as a free play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: Dude absolutely you saw it. People here will defend this guy irrationally. Turnovers? Not his fault. Ball behind the receiver? Wideout mustve f’ed up the timing. Interceptions and pick-6es? Must be zay jones fault. Guy’s never gonna lead us to more than 8 wins. Rather have Murray at this point. I hope, HOPE i am wrong promo, i really do. I don’t see it yet. 1) I doubt you hope you're wrong. 2) You'll never see it because... 3) Your mind is made up about Allen. He sucks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: Except he didn't. Except who didnt do what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: There was a defensive flag. Allen had a free play. That's not true. It was a hold in the middle of the play on Knox underneath. He didn't know that was going to be called when he looked to throw and threw it. It was a good close on the ball by the Jet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 He was up and down but made plays when we needed him to. You can look at his demeanor at the end of the game, he wasn't happy with this performance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: That's not true. It was a hold in the middle of the play on Knox underneath. He didn't know that was going to be called when he looked to throw and threw it. It was a good close on the ball by the Jet. I'll will check that play on Game Pass to see if the flag was thrown before Allen passed it. 2 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said: IIRC, the call was defensive holding, don't think that really qualifies as a free play Why wouldn't that be a free play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: I'll will check that play on Game Pass to see if the flag was thrown before Allen passed it. Why wouldn't that be a free play? Typically, a free play would be considered something like encroachment where the QB sees that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: 1) I doubt you hope you're wrong. 2) You'll never see it because... 3) Your mind is made up about Allen. He sucks. That’s okay if you think that but yes, honestly i really do hope i’m wrong because he’s our QB good or bad and i’m not here starting stupid prediction threads like @transplantbillsfan I’m just going on what I see - he’ll never win us more than 8 games unless he gets significantly better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'll will check that play on Game Pass to see if the flag was thrown before Allen passed it. It was barely a hold. He could not have seen that was going to be the call regardless of when it was thrown. But I would bet it was thrown as Josh was throwing the ball. Not a chance it was a free play kind of thing like a guy jumping off sides. The Jet grabbed Knox from behind and barely held him up. It was a penalty but not a blatant one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Just now, JoPar_v2 said: That’s okay if you think that but yes, honestly i really do hope i’m wrong because he’s our QB good or bad and i’m not here starting stupid prediction threads like @transplantbillsfan I’m just going on what I see - he’ll never win us more than 8 games unless he gets significantly better. But two minutes ago you said you'd rather have Kyler Murray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said: That’s okay if you think that but yes, honestly i really do hope i’m wrong because he’s our QB good or bad and i’m not here starting stupid prediction threads like @transplantbillsfan I’m just going on what I see - he’ll never win us more than 8 games unless he gets significantly better. I don't believe he's quite on par with his receivers just yet. Today did show he was developing a good chemistry with both Beasley and Brown, rocky as it was 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: It's not if you just count running backs. I'm not even going to hold my breath for that stat from you because I know it's not forthcoming. The point is that you don't run a RB who gets 4.0 ypa for productivity.....that's not good......you do it to impact the defense physically. So late in a game....when you are desperate for a score the way the flagging Jets were.......if you lean heavily on a low ypa player you are likely going to be punting a lot sooner than you can string together enough plays to get in the end zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: But two minutes ago you said you'd rather have Kyler Murray. I would! If I had a choice. We don’t. So I will support Allen until he flames out or leads us to the promised land. Either or. Not going to attribute every win (especially close ones) to Allen’s “dominance” though when he did nothing of the sort. Also, why isn’t there a “cut beasley” thread yet? Given he dropped one of the easiest balls I’ve ever seen . 3 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said: I don't believe he's quite on par with his receivers just yet. Today did show he was developing a good chemistry with both Beasley and Brown, rocky as it was Very well could be. Hope that’s it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said: I would! If I had a choice. We don’t. So I will support Allen until he flames out or leads us to the promised land. Either or. Not going to attribute every win (especially close ones) to Allen’s “dominance” though when he did nothing of the sort. Also, why isn’t there a “cut beasley” thread yet? Given he dropped one of the easiest balls I’ve ever seen . Very well could be. Hope that’s it. For some reason, ever since the 3rd preseason game (the only Bills game I got to watch so far ?), he seemed to be jittery. At some point, he finally did calm down. Development takes time, even moreso patience. Good thing is he won't be facing D lines like the Jets all the time. But for all his faults today, the playcalling needs some work too 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said: For some reason, ever since the 3rd preseason game (the only Bills game I got to watch so far ?), he seemed to be jittery. At some point, he finally did calm down. Development takes time, even moreso patience. Good thing is he won't be facing D lines like the Jets all the time. But for all his faults today, the playcalling needs some work too I know. You get attacked by some around here if you point these things out unfortunately. Again, and I said it 4 posts ago, I think Allen played much better 2nd half. If you don’t got universal praise for the kid, though, u just a hater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: I know. You get attacked by some around here if you point these things out unfortunately. Again, and I said it 4 posts ago, I think Allen played much better 2nd half. If you don’t got universal praise for the kid, though, u just a hater. Meh, the way I see it, let him get it all out of his system now and get better. What better time for it than now and especially against Gase and the Jokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: I know. You get attacked by some around here if you point these things out unfortunately. Again, and I said it 4 posts ago, I think Allen played much better 2nd half. If you don’t got universal praise for the kid, though, u just a hater. Here we go with the all-or-nothing excuse. It's no secret that a number of posters hated the Allen pick and will resist admitting they might be wrong. All I heard all off-season was how Allen had to get more accurate, look for shorter throws underneath, don't take off running so much, stay in the pocket, get his completions above 60%, learn to play from behind, etc etc. Well, he checked all those boxes today, and still people complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Best bills win in a very long time 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 I wonder if it will always be like this? I fluctuate between skeptical and optimistic on Allen. I felt pretty damn impressed with him after the first half. Yes, the half of four turnovers. One of which (the first fumble), was his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Here we go with the all-or-nothing excuse. It's no secret that a number of posters hated the Allen pick and will resist admitting they might be wrong. All I heard all off-season was how Allen had to get more accurate, look for shorter throws underneath, don't take off running so much, stay in the pocket, get his completions above 60%, learn to play from behind, etc etc. Well, he checked all those boxes today, and still people complain. Promo come on man. I am not hating (not in my eyes at least) but the all or nothing comment applies here because I know and I KNOW you know that allen criticism gets killed by his cheerleaders here (and there are several.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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