iinii Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 No. There is a similar thread that has been locked similar to this one that has been locked like others that question OBD. That is what I was referring to not the back and forth, but since you mentioned it; whenever you talk down to someone by calling them names or characterization of their words in a derogatory manner you are acting like you have some moral/intellectual high ground. AND I hate to break it to you but you don’t. And you totally missed the bird/bush thing. The guys they had last year are not in the hand. Didn’t you hear? They were cut, traded, released. They guys they have now are somewhere in between. They may have done XYZ elsewhere but not so much in OP. The jury is out and you ain’t the foreman. Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeKayAdams Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 49 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: I love you Kay? ya know, because you're so insightful? Thanks! I think it's the glasses. They lend me extra credibility. So now we're down to 9, once Croom gets moved to IR: QB Allen QB Barkley FB DiMarco WR Jones WR Foster WR McKenzie T Dawkins T McDermott G Boettger That's 2 starters and 7 specialty/backup players out of 26 players on offense. The defense, meanwhile, returns 18 of 24 (once Coleman comes back tomorrow). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, iinii said: No. There is a similar thread that has been locked similar to this one that has been locked like others that question OBD. That is what I was referring to not the back and forth, but since you mentioned it; whenever you talk down to someone by calling them names or characterization of their words in a derogatory manner you are acting like you have some moral/intellectual high ground. AND I hate to break it to you but you don’t. And you totally missed the bird/bush thing. The guys they had last year are not in the hand. Didn’t you hear? They were cut, traded, released. They guys they have now are somewhere in between. They may have done XYZ elsewhere but not so much in OP. The jury is out and you ain’t the foreman. Sorry Your claiming the site is undemocratic is simply wrong. And the way you make a team better is to replace poorly performing players with better ones. I don’t think any reasonable comparison of, say, a Ford or Long at RG to Ducasse would say they would have been better staying put. Or Gore vs. Ivory as another example. This is a message board. We debate things. You make a statement and others challenge it. I’m sorry that apparently causes you pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Your claiming the site is undemocratic is simply wrong. And the way you make a team better is to replace poorly performing players with better ones. I don’t think any reasonable comparison of, say, a Ford or Long at RG to Ducasse would say they would have been better staying put. Or Gore vs. Ivory as another example. This is a message board. We debate things. You make a statement and others challenge it. I’m sorry that apparently causes you pain. There is a debate here. OMG, really? Shocking. I am going to ask you one more time. What is their record? Edited August 31, 2019 by iinii Techno challenged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, iinii said: There is a debate here. OMG, really? Shocking. I am going to ask you one more time. What is their record? 0-0. Like every other team in the league. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: 0-0. Like every other team in the league. Why? I have stated it at least twice. These guys haven’t proven anything, which is what the OP was pointing out. Yet you are ready to blast anyone who might realize that. Is that so hard for you to grasp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 minute ago, iinii said: I have stated it at least twice. These guys haven’t proven anything, which is what the OP was pointing out. Yet you are ready to blast anyone who might realize that. Is that so hard for you to grasp? I challenge people. The team had a bad offensive line last year. Bad. Really really bad. They have invested a ton to upgrade and based on preseason it is to me and many others unarguable that they have in fact significantly upgraded. No team has proven anything, so why should that be unique to the Bills? And why is challenging someone undemocratic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: I challenge people. The team had a bad offensive line last year. Bad. Really really bad. They have invested a ton to upgrade and based on preseason it is to me and many others unarguable that they have in fact significantly upgraded. No team has proven anything, so why should that be unique to the Bills? And why is challenging someone undemocratic? I have never said challenging someone is undemocratic. I said shutting down threads when they asked questions mods don’t like is. There are two examples of that today. You were taking the same route in one of them. The other one lasted even less time. Blasting the dissent. And it isn’t unique to the Bills but more nebulous since they have an extremely small sample size to go on and that is who we are discussing. Says so at the top of every page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) I have no problem with dissent. The mods police things and they do a good job; they are good at spotting people that are here just to stir up trouble. I had no problem with the OP raising the question about whether a team ever made it to the playoffs after such turnover. To me they had to upgrade regardless . What I do have a problem with is your taking the OPs question and going off on a rant about the board not being democratic and shutting people down and so on. Because that is simply wrong. As shown here; the mods are letting you have your say. Edited August 31, 2019 by oldmanfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I dont think we will miss any of the players who are gone.... Maybe Shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 We’re gonna light it up. This offense will be one of the surprise NFL stories of the year. Caveat: I was also positive that Porzingis would bring the Knicks a championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 3 hours ago, GreggTX said: Don't be surprised if it doesn't all come together that quickly. No. I'm sorry but that's simply old time thinking..........in reality it's like pre-free agency thinking even. Change is the order of the day for everyone in the NFL now...........there is as of an much advantage in starting a season with new players and/or a new scheme as there is in starting the year with a team with experience that everyone has tape and tendencies on. The one guy you want to know the offense inside-and-out is the QB..........and Allen seems to be prepared.........the offense might not be great because they lack matchup winners but it shouldn't be because they aren't on the same page yet. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Man, I just don’t want another offseason of excuses. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 hours ago, KayAdams said: So far I count only 11 players remaining from last year: QB Allen QB Barkley FB DiMarco WR Jones WR Foster WR McKenzie WR Phillips TE Croom T Dawkins T McDermott G Boettger Croom said to be headed to IR Cam Phillips was released If I were McDermott I wouldn’t buy a house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Croom said to be headed to IR Cam Phillips was released If I were McDermott I wouldn’t buy a house Sean or Conor? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Sean or Conor? ? Conor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 7 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Is this thread the beginning of the Josh Allen excuse campaign? Too many changes? Not enough chance to form "chemistry"? What will be the excuse if Allen rocks it? All supporting cast, none him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 46 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I have no problem with dissent. The mods police things and they do a good job; they are good at spotting people that are here just to stir up trouble. I had no problem with the OP raising the question about whether a team ever made it to the playoffs after such turnover. To me they had to upgrade regardless . What I do have a problem with is your taking the OPs question and going off on a rant about the board not being democratic and shutting people down and so on. Because that is simply wrong. As shown here; the mods are letting you have your say. I guess you will just have to live with it then..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 he made the cut! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 8 hours ago, Lurker said: In ONE season though. That's where I'm coming up dry... I dismiss any notion that the Bills roster turnover is limiting offensively but the most obvious and recent answer is the 2017 Rams. And that team not only turned over most of the OL and receiving corps but also had a new HC installing a new offense and a second year QB who was not coming into year 2 with anywhere near the momentum of a Josh Allen and Todd Gurley was coming off a nightmarish performance the previous year. The Rams basically went from abysmal to great offensively and it happened instantly.......they scored 46 in their opener and averaged 35+ points per game in their first 4 games that season on their way to being the most explosive offense in the NFL. They went from complete trash to a SB favorite over night because of their brand new offense. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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