Teddy KGB Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 48 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: 1 Screw Tebow. 2 If Tebow were black what then? Take this to the PPP. 44 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I respect the service men and women. Don doesn't .. Just ask him about your children born while you are on deployment. 37 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Bandit, This crap is old. Like I said it was turned into a political tool. Who's God? God the Father, Jesus. Allah, Buddha, Jehovah etc etc etc ? That bong was on fire this morning ! Take a breath guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: Mark, I'm very proud of my four years in the Navy. But it's not like I stormed the beaches of Normandy. People need to put stuff into perspective. I agree. Thanks for your service. Navy was an option for me but I don’t like ships and open water that much. Air Force was the only one that fit me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: what's wrong with me and my 500 mults doing this? The problem is all of your different screen names are still Canadian and you couldn't even win an argument with yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Just now, MarkAF43 said: I agree. Thanks for your service. Navy was an option for me but I don’t like ships and open water that much. Air Force was the only one that fit me. If I had it to do all over again, there is ZERO doubt that I'd have gone Air Force. Thank you for your service, too. Retirement is right around the corner!! Good luck! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Gugny said: Mark, I'm very proud of my four years in the Navy. But it's not like I stormed the beaches of Normandy. People need to put stuff into perspective. Which uniform did you wear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: The problem is all of your different screen names are still Canadian and you couldn't even win an argument with yourself. if you think i have a mult on here, that is matching my quirks and jerks, i salute you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Was wondering when this discussion would move from JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Which uniform did you wear? Not that one. Closer to the construction dude. Do you think he's rugged? I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 I am a Marine Corp veteran, and have no issue with American citizens participating in social injustice protests, such legal protests have nothing to do with the United States military personnel, or veterans. Those that would convolute these legal protests into acts against military personnel and veterans are violating the rights of American citizens. The flag is not the military, it represents the country, worts and all. All government employees are there to do work for the citizens not the other way around! All military personnel serve to protect the rights and safety of the citizens who own this country. Protest for equal treatment of all citizens under the law is a Patriotic act. Why would a citizen work to take away a fellow citizens legal rights? this would take away their own rights at the same time. We are all citizens of a democratic republic, called America, Land of the free and home of the brave. So be brave, so we can all be free!! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: But did you not notice they are all facing in the same direction? Mecca....perhaps?!? They are using the end zone as a prayer rug, so the new turf must be blessed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4Ever4Life Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: They are using the end zone as a prayer rug, so the new turf must be blessed It obviously worked. 4-0 in the pre-season with a crazy 4th quarter comeback!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 no question that some are protesting according to their conscience when it seems dissing the anthem is done as just another end zone TD funky chicken dance, with an eye to a big endorsement, that isn't respectable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4Ever4Life Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: I am a Marine Corp veteran, and have no issue with American citizens participating in social injustice protests, such legal protests have nothing to do with the United States military personnel, or veterans. Those that would convolute these legal protests into acts against military personnel and veterans are violating the rights of American citizens. The flag is not the military, it represents the country, worts and all. All government employees are there to do work for the citizens not the other way around! All military personnel serve to protect the rights and safety of the citizens who own this country. Protest for equal treatment of all citizens under the law is a Patriotic act. Why would a citizen work to take away a fellow citizens legal rights? this would take away their own rights at the same time. We are all citizens of a democratic republic, called America, Land of the free and home of the brave. So be brave, so we can all be free!! I didn't even want to respond to this. I don't want to fuel the fire, but I just want to be VERY clear. A) I NEVER talked about taking away rights of anyone. I simply was using my own rights to put forth my own opinion B) This was NEVER my intent of this thread. I seriously was curious as to what was going on in the end zone and I let my emotional self take control of my rational brain. C) If you or ANYONE would like to further discuss this with me you can do so in private message. Otherwise can we please talk about the original intent of the thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said: I didn't even want to respond to this. I don't want to fuel the fire, but I just want to be VERY clear. A) I NEVER talked about taking away rights of anyone. I simply was using my own rights to put forth my own opinion B) This was NEVER my intent of this thread. I seriously was curious as to what was going on in the end zone and I let my emotional self take control of my rational brain. C) If you or ANYONE would like to further discuss this with me you can do so in private message. Otherwise can we please talk about the original intent of the thread? You're in a different forum now. Fires are acceptable. You'll note many of the original respondents will not return to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4Ever4Life Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, GG said: You're in a different forum now. Fires are acceptable. You'll note many of the original respondents will not return to this thread. Good to know.....and i never saw the thread again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Bills4Ever4Life said: I didn't even want to respond to this. I don't want to fuel the fire, but I just want to be VERY clear. A) I NEVER talked about taking away rights of anyone. I simply was using my own rights to put forth my own opinion B) This was NEVER my intent of this thread. I seriously was curious as to what was going on in the end zone and I let my emotional self take control of my rational brain. C) If you or ANYONE would like to further discuss this with me you can do so in private message. Otherwise can we please talk about the original intent of the thread? Your right to speech is honored as it should be, but we should as a people not slip, by repressing other legal activities under other guise. I am not a religious man per say, but do support others rights to use the football field to express their right to prayer, even during the national anthem. Semper Fi, Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Just now, Don Otreply said: Your right to speech is honored as it should be, but we should as a people not slip, by repressing other legal activities under other guise. I am not a religious man per say, but do support others rights to use the football field to express their right to prayer, even during the national anthem. Semper Fi, Go Bills!!! I'm assuming that you are gainfully employed. What would your employer's and coworkers reaction be if you used an important part of a workday to stage a public personal protest (that a big part of your employer's customers disagreed with?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4Ever4Life Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Your right to speech is honored as it should be, but we should as a people not slip, by repressing other legal activities under other guise. I am not a religious man per say, but do support others rights to use the football field to express their right to prayer, even during the national anthem. Semper Fi, Go Bills!!! There are two different things going on here. What I wish was true and what is true. What I wish was true: They knelt during the anthem and the minor protest shed a light on social injustice issues and brought more people to the cause What is true: They protested during work hours on work property and during a time that caused more issues for their cause. Did I personally find it disrespectful? Yea. Do I find it disrespectful when someone next to me doesn't take off their hat or doesn't put their hand over their heart or doesn't stand up for the anthem? yeah i do. Do I go punch them in the face for it? Nope. That's their right. Did I think they should be rounded up and fired en masse a la Trump tweets. No. Did I think it was cool when I thought they might have found a cool compromise that would help their cause get more attention but without all the social drama. Yes. Silly enough, it was just players praying in the end zone anyway. So, moot point. FYI, now that we have moved into the politics zone I'm willing to talk again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 31 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said: I didn't even want to respond to this. I don't want to fuel the fire, but I just want to be VERY clear. A) I NEVER talked about taking away rights of anyone. I simply was using my own rights to put forth my own opinion B) This was NEVER my intent of this thread. I seriously was curious as to what was going on in the end zone and I let my emotional self take control of my rational brain. C) If you or ANYONE would like to further discuss this with me you can do so in private message. Otherwise can we please talk about the original intent of the thread? welcome!! sometimes it looks a lot worse than we honestly intended on a computer screen. and sometimes people have "one of those days" or that's how they always are.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: while this thread has nothing to do with football and should be moved to the politics section, I have to say it is a microcosm of what the problem is with our country today. Instead of talking TO each other, we talk AT each other. Instead of being able to realize that people can have different opinions on a given topic, and that it doesn't make them evil either way, we jump on folks who dare to speak something we don't agree with. For the record, I think it's great players kneel down and pray before and after games; at the end of games I think it's great that the teams come together to do so. I am religious and like that, but if you're not and you don't like it then that is fine by me. I simply disagree. As for the anthem I always stand at games, take my hat off and face the flag as a show of respect. I do not think it's a sign of trashing our military if a player decides to kneel during the anthem as a sign of protest against what he believes in mistreatment of minorities, he has a perfect right to do that so long as his employer is OK with him using company time as it were to do so. I know some veterans whose blood boils at that, and I respect their thoughts on it, just as I know some veterans who believe they fought just so a player can choose to exercise his convictions in that manner. And I respect their thoughts on the subject as well. No one here is evil because they have a different opinion than you. They simply have a different opinion. We have to get to a point in this country where we all understand that, or we're going to fall apart. I agree with you, but when an individual states they have a “special hatred” for fellow American citizens exercising their legal rights, I tend to have an issue with that. That individual needs to spend time examining why they have hatred toward another human who is doing no harm. Maybe that’s just me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: I agree with you, but when an individual states they have a “special hatred” for fellow American citizens exercising their legal rights, I tend to have an issue with that. That individual needs to spend time examining why they have hatred toward another human who is doing no harm. Maybe that’s just me... i can handle the concept of third and fourth parties upset by something i have typed on here, sometimes intending or hoping to offend, i think most can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4Ever4Life Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: I agree with you, but when an individual states they have a “special hatred” for fellow American citizens exercising their legal rights, I tend to have an issue with that. That individual needs to spend time examining why they have hatred toward another human who is doing no harm. Maybe that’s just me... You are perfectly correct. So much so that long before this I removed that statement. If you knew me you would know that I misuse that statement and don't mean it in that actual context. I am actually pretty chill. You however do not know me and I put that out there to a bunch of people that had 0 context of who I am or how I would mean that. You could say it was more like a normal person saying "it really annoys me". I don't hate anyone.....maybe my ex wife :P.....so I am truly sorry that I stated it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bills4Ever4Life Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) It also annoys me when people stay seated during the anthem. It also annoys me when people don't put their hand over their heart or take off their hat or whatever. I was "brainwashed" since birth to show respect to the flag during the anthem by doing these things and it annoys me that others don't. I don't hate them. I don't want to hurt them. It just annoys me. Like nails on a chalkboard. I'll tell you what though. The next time a world war breaks out or a war breaks out where you need your freedoms defended, its the patriotism of those "brainwashed" volunteers that will be pushing them to put their lives on the line for you. I feel like so many people have forgotten that because their hasn't been a seriously devastating war on our own land in so long. Edited August 30, 2019 by Bills4Ever4Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Today I learned that you're "brainwashed" if you don't believe the government's goal is to kill black people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, row_33 said: i can handle the concept of third and fourth parties upset by something i have typed on here, sometimes intending or hoping to offend, i think most can. It appears by your response you currently have some sort of issue or another. But that’s okay, carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said: There are two different things going on here. What I wish was true and what is true. What I wish was true: They knelt during the anthem and the minor protest shed a light on social injustice issues and brought more people to the cause What is true: They protested during work hours on work property and during a time that caused more issues for their cause. Did I personally find it disrespectful? Yea. Do I find it disrespectful when someone next to me doesn't take off their hat or doesn't put their hand over their heart or doesn't stand up for the anthem? yeah i do. Do I go punch them in the face for it? Nope. That's their right. Did I think they should be rounded up and fired en masse a la Trump tweets. No. Did I think it was cool when I thought they might have found a cool compromise that would help their cause get more attention but without all the social drama. Yes. Silly enough, it was just players praying in the end zone anyway. So, moot point. FYI, now that we have moved into the politics zone I'm willing to talk again The argument goes on and on. This is an emotional issue for many folks, and like many emotional issues, logic and reasoning doesn't rule the day. I was speaking with my son about kapernick a while back. His perspective was that he was being blackballed and that he deserved a job on an nfl team. My perspective is that he made his choice, became a lightening rod, and is entitled to nothing whatsoever. He asked me if my thoughts would change if kapernick came to WNY and lead the Bills to a SB, and seemed surprised when my answer was 'no'. my issues largely center around protesting at work, before what amounts to a captive audience, on a football field made of $$$ while segregated from the masses. i was particularly struck by his 'cops are pigs' angle, and that for me was the deal breaker. people are entitled to their opinions. that's the beauty of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said: You are perfectly correct. So much so that long before this I removed that statement. If you knew me you would know that I misuse that statement and don't mean it in that actual context. I am actually pretty chill. You however do not know me and I put that out there to a bunch of people that had 0 context of who I am or how I would mean that. You could say it was more like a normal person saying "it really annoys me". I don't hate anyone.....maybe my ex wife :P.....so I am truly sorry that I stated it that way. I then am happy to see a miscommunication, and move on. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said: It also annoys me when people stay seated during the anthem. It also annoys me when people don't put their hand over their heart or take off their hat or whatever. I was "brainwashed" since birth to show respect to the flag during the anthem by doing these things and it annoys me that others don't. I don't hate them. I don't want to hurt them. It just annoys me. Like nails on a chalkboard. I'll tell you what though. The next time a world war breaks out or a war breaks out where you need your freedoms defended, its the patriotism of those "brainwashed" volunteers that will be pushing them to put their lives on the line for you. I feel like so many people have forgotten that because their hasn't been a seriously devastating war on our own land in so long. That’s a bit over the top. One does not need to be of that thinking to want to defend ones country. America is a great country, no doubt at all, but it does have its problems, just like all the individuals who make up America. Semper Fi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 This thread is f'd up and nothing more than the rehashed sweepings of other threads deposited in the dustpan of PPP. Seems to me that this discussion just might have been had here before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: It appears by your response you currently have some sort of issue or another. But that’s okay, carry on. keep in the shallow end, rookie it's all good.... you have no game at all for here, lift weights, pray and take your vitamins and you will do fine. actually you are going straight to the "ignore" jail for sucking on here 12 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: This thread is f'd up and nothing more than the rehashed sweepings of other threads deposited in the dustpan of PPP. Seems to me that this discussion just might have been had here before. they fell off the turnip truck this morn and can't believe it's all been said 1,000,000 times already and it isn't even amusing or fun Edited August 30, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Were we due for another round of virtue signaling? I should have checked my calendar. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Were we due for another round of virtue signaling? I should have checked my calendar. how d-d-d-d-d-dare you let your resentful anger down, so that you have to ask this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 39 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: I agree with you, but when an individual states they have a “special hatred” for fellow American citizens exercising their legal rights, I tend to have an issue with that. That individual needs to spend time examining why they have hatred toward another human who is doing no harm. Maybe that’s just me... It is that kind of language I would like to have disappear. 32 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said: You are perfectly correct. So much so that long before this I removed that statement. If you knew me you would know that I misuse that statement and don't mean it in that actual context. I am actually pretty chill. You however do not know me and I put that out there to a bunch of people that had 0 context of who I am or how I would mean that. You could say it was more like a normal person saying "it really annoys me". I don't hate anyone.....maybe my ex wife :P.....so I am truly sorry that I stated it that way. Glad you did that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 39 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: This thread is f'd up and nothing more than the rehashed sweepings of other threads deposited in the dustpan of PPP. Seems to me that this discussion just might have been had here before. Yup, people can’t separate the issue of allowing Kaepernick to express his opinion and allowing him to express his opinion using his employer’s platform. Things that are different are not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, GG said: Yup, people can’t separate the issue of allowing Kaepernick to express his opinion and allowing him to express his opinion using his employer’s platform. Things that are different are not the same. he is a lousy central casting choice to win over people..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Bills4Ever4Life said: So I have zero issues with players kneeling. At first I thought it was the new protest. However, they didn't all kneel and stand up together. Their heads are down as if they are praying. Just wondering if anything was said about this and whether this is the new "kneel" strategy or whether this is just the more spiritual players praying before the game. I had never seen this at all last year. I also thought it was super cool that they came out to Skillet's new song Legendary. Sweet song that is kid friendly despite being hard rock. Oh and also I loved the new Buffalo Bills props that were all synced up blowing out smoke as the player ran out. That was pretty cool too. Glad to see they didn't plan on just keeping the same old intro for a decade ;). Worst kickoff formation I've ever seen. God, our special teams sucks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Worst kickoff formation I've ever seen. God, our special teams sucks. Which is worse though, this one or the return play where they had the guy try to hide by lying down in the endzone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Which is worse though, this one or the return play where they had the guy try to hide by lying down in the endzone? They, as in the Jets? Can’t have enough jokes about hiding TJ Graham by putting him on the playing field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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