nucci Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Say When... said: #totallyAGREE My buddy and I have been mulling this over and while i may not 100% side with come of the Colts fans' reactions i think they are viable. He DID quit, he had a good (in his mind) reason but when, how was very impactful to the team and the fanbase. Leaving the org was impactful enough but to do it after the 3rd preseason game when the team can't possible react appropriately and on the cusp of a potentially solid deep playoff run (their division is weak, AFC has just a couple of really strong teams) was crap, maybe it was strategic on his part, but it was a dick move. things he knows: there's a potential to get hurt in football - high risk/reward playing through the pain is part of the game but you have a choice, no one physically forced him out on the field. even if he was getting internal pressure to play he still can sit, he has a contract to protect him and come back when he's ready in the pro's it's nearly a year around sport ~$97mm in his pocket i'd have more respect for him if he gave back the $$ but it's a pretty easy choice when you look at what's in his wallet... i cant imagine what this will do to contracts going forward. He offered to return some money and Colts declined....and Colts have known for a while...he didn't just tell them on Saturday Edited August 26, 2019 by nucci 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say When... Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, nucci said: He offered to return some money and Colts declined....and Colts have known for a while...he didn't just tell them on Saturday i had read that also but never saw the actual dollar amount; as to when they knew vs Saturday, that's speculation and even then i bet it wasn't months or even weeks; we're talking days tops. how does that get kept a secret? especially with an owner like Irsay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Say When... said: i had read that also but never saw the actual dollar amount; as to when they knew vs Saturday, that's speculation and even then i bet it wasn't months or even weeks; we're talking days tops. how does that get kept a secret? especially with an owner like Irsay? I didn't see dollars either but he had to tell someone...he hasn't practiced most of camp and was pretty much ruled out for opening day. Fans booing him was ridiculous.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say When... Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, nucci said: I didn't see dollars either but he had to tell someone...he hasn't practiced most of camp and was pretty much ruled out for opening day. Fans booing him was ridiculous.... agreed, but then i'd never boo a player regardless of how bad they are, that's just me. Maybe that was easier for him to walk away vs taking a year off, dunno. regardless, if i'm Eli i'm saying "hey, you guys good with Daniel? i'll go help the Colts out, that team is stacked" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, Say When... said: i had read that also but never saw the actual dollar amount; as to when they knew vs Saturday, that's speculation and even then i bet it wasn't months or even weeks; we're talking days tops. how does that get kept a secret? especially with an owner like Irsay? Per Peter King's column today, the Colts have been talking to Luck about retirement for the past two weeks: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/26/fmia-andrew-luck-the-colts-and-the-retirement-that-rocked-nfls-world/ "Luck said he didn’t imagine retiring till two weeks ago. But once he started thinking about it, one source said, it made more and more sense to him. He was tired. He felt like if it wasn’t one thing, it’d be another. Reich and Ballard both spent time between Tuesday and Friday feeling out Luck about whether he’d reconsider—he never wavered—and then making sure Luck was sure he wanted to do it now. He did. Neither Reich nor Ballard would disclose the contents of their conversations with Luck. But late in the week, Reich said, he and Luck had a longer meeting in the coach’s office, an emotional meeting. “It’s like we were saying goodbye,” Reich said from his office Sunday afternoon. “I knew, knew in my heart, he wasn’t going to change his mind. He seemed to have great clarity and peace.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, nucci said: I didn't see dollars either but he had to tell someone...he hasn't practiced most of camp and was pretty much ruled out for opening day. Fans booing him was ridiculous.... Gotta love fan-shaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 38 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Gotta love fan-shaming. Their cathartic moment for the entire 2019 season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: Their cathartic moment for the entire 2019 season They're gonna need it. Think of how good ol' Jacoby looked against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 so they lucked out at 10 wins last year, not a consistent winner recently not even for 1 second thinking a SB was lost here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Loudmouth Stephen A. Smith was ranting (and yelling) about him saying this was the perfect year for the Colts to go to the SB ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 33 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Loudmouth Stephen A. Smith was ranting (and yelling) about him saying this was the perfect year for the Colts to go to the SB ..... glad to read he is officially a jinx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 reminds me of a DE who was first overall pick to the browns a while ago, lavar arrington was 2nd over all (both went to penn state). 1st pick was young, graduated engineering, hard working, oodles of talent, but was a bust out in the NFL. I think some aspect of being smarter/higher IQ (or some correlated factor) does not mix well w the pain and brutality of the NFL. I think a smart guy who is insanely competitive, or possibly some kind of psycho, will be very effective, but a normal smart guy won't just soldier on in the face of enough pain/adversity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, colin said: reminds me of a DE who was first overall pick to the browns a while ago, lavar arrington was 2nd over all (both went to penn state). 1st pick was young, graduated engineering, hard working, oodles of talent, but was a bust out in the NFL. I think some aspect of being smarter/higher IQ (or some correlated factor) does not mix well w the pain and brutality of the NFL. I think a smart guy who is insanely competitive, or possibly some kind of psycho, will be very effective, but a normal smart guy won't just soldier on in the face of enough pain/adversity. He is set for life and his kids lives. If in pain now and at risk of making it for the rest of his life, why not retire. It is the smart move. I retired the first year possible - I loved my job but why endure the stress and life issues that came with it if not necessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 It is always best to retire on your own terms and have enough sense to know when to say enough is enough I have nothing more to prove If your "fans" boo you tell them to off 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, colin said: reminds me of a DE who was first overall pick to the browns a while ago, lavar arrington was 2nd over all (both went to penn state). 1st pick was young, graduated engineering, hard working, oodles of talent, but was a bust out in the NFL. I think some aspect of being smarter/higher IQ (or some correlated factor) does not mix well w the pain and brutality of the NFL. I think a smart guy who is insanely competitive, or possibly some kind of psycho, will be very effective, but a normal smart guy won't just soldier on in the face of enough pain/adversity. Courtney Brown, who was actually sensational early on, but quickly suffered a ceaseless cascade of injuries - which drove him out of the league. He didn't bust because he wasn't good. He had an OK rookie season (although he had nice total of TFLs - 16), but was absolutely on fire in his second season when he suffered a season ending injury in game five. Up to that point, he had 4.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles and 2 fumble recoveries, 4 TFLs, 1 TD, and 4 passes defensed. Those are great numbers. Edited August 26, 2019 by dave mcbride 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...why didn't Schefter break the news AFTER the game?....... Because that’s not his job. They pay him (handsomely) to break NFL news as soon as possible. Kowtowing to some old timers’ imagined senses of decorum, however, isn’t in the job description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 41 minutes ago, colin said: reminds me of a DE who was first overall pick to the browns a while ago, lavar arrington was 2nd over all (both went to penn state). Same with John Urschel. They recruit some smart kids at PSU... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 25 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: Because that’s not his job. They pay him (handsomely) to break NFL news as soon as possible. Kowtowing to some old timers’ imagined senses of decorum, however, isn’t in the job description. ...how noble.....he's the NFL's Howie on TMZ...SMH.......besides, what the hell is wrong with decorum?...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...how noble.....he's the NFL's Howie on TMZ...SMH.......besides, what the hell is wrong with decorum?...... Nothing wrong with decorum. I’m just laying out the facts - he’s paid to break stories FIRST. Period point blank. Blame ESPN, not Schefter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said: Nothing wrong with decorum. I’m just laying out the facts - he’s paid to break stories FIRST. Period point blank. Blame ESPN, not Schefter. ...I usually wait for LaCanfora because he NEVER misses.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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