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24 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

 

Ive known guys that were security forces in the USAF and they most assuredly did not receive the exact same training as civilian LEOs. Similar jobs, but definitely different as well. Have you been through the police academy in your state? If not, how would you know? Not trying to bust your chops too hard cuz I like most of your takes on football related things, but it’s pretty obvious you have a weak knowledge base on the topic of legal and justified use of force pertaining to LEOs. 

 

Soft post. Go after him if you're gonna do it.

Just now, Gugny said:

 

This post is stupid. 

 

Now give me my ***** money.

 

 

 

I owe you a buck.

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4 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

That cop gave him every chance to comply but the idiot just kept saying I need a Superviser. To be honest if I was that cop forget the damn stun gun I'm putting a bullet into your leg. When it got to the point where they were wrestling around the officer could have been easily disarmed by a man of that size and shot and killed with his own weapon. It might just be because I have more than a few family and friends who are cops but when I get pulled over my hands are on the top of the steering wheel until the officer instructs me otherwise. That guy is so so so so lucky that he was not shot.

If I'm that cop and that dude continues to lunge at me like that and takes my stun gun I'm unloading a clip in him. They don't have the ability of foresight and has no clue what this guys intentions actually are.

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10 minutes ago, Wsam4031 said:

If I'm that cop and that dude continues to lunge at me like that and takes my stun gun I'm unloading a mag in him. They don't have the ability of foresight and has no clue what this guys intentions actually are.

 

 

Gotta be “that guy.” 😜

 

 

49 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

My biggest problem with this is that there's no footage of what led to what happened inside the store.

 

I'll be honest ... my comments about the police officer swearing and tasing the guy unnecessarily were mostly tongue-in-cheek.

 

But without the context, it's difficult to judge either person.

 

I'm certainly in no position at all to criticize the police officer's actions.  It's pretty easy for me to say, "the guy was sitting and not moving, why not just let that be good enough until help arrived?"  I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why ... and I'm also sure that I don't know them.

 

What I commend the officer for, most, is that he kept his gun in the holster.  We need more police officers like that.

 

Its fair to question what led to the issue, but the video shows a cop within his rights with a hostile suspect/criminal (criminal for fighting a cop at very least). 

 

On the one hand, I agree that it’s good he didn’t pull the gun. On the other, there’s a super plausible alternate ending to this where cop gets beaten to death by this behemoth of a man because the non-lethal didn’t do squat and he wasn’t ready with the lethal. Glad both parties emerged fine, but I don’t think it’s a great idea for cops to go mano-e-mano with guys who look like they’ve had craps bigger than the cop. 

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5 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

 

Gotta be “that guy.” 😜

 

 

 

Its fair to question what led to the issue, but the video shows a cop within his rights with a hostile suspect/criminal (criminal for fighting a cop at very least). 

 

On the one hand, I agree that it’s good he didn’t pull the gun. On the other, there’s a super plausible alternate ending to this where cop gets beaten to death by this behemoth of a man because the non-lethal didn’t do squat and he wasn’t ready with the lethal. Glad both parties emerged fine, but I don’t think it’s a great idea for cops to go mano-e-mano with guys who look like they’ve had craps bigger than the cop. 

 

Which is why I wonder why the police officer just didn't leave well enough alone when the dude was sitting down.  He knew help was going to be there within seconds (which it was).

 

Again ... very easy for me to say.

 

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6 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

 

Gotta be “that guy.” 😜

 

 

 

Its fair to question what led to the issue, but the video shows a cop within his rights with a hostile suspect/criminal (criminal for fighting a cop at very least). 

 

On the one hand, I agree that it’s good he didn’t pull the gun. On the other, there’s a super plausible alternate ending to this where cop gets beaten to death by this behemoth of a man because the non-lethal didn’t do squat and he wasn’t ready with the lethal. Glad both parties emerged fine, but I don’t think it’s a great idea for cops to go mano-e-mano with guys who look like they’ve had craps bigger than the cop. 

Always! But its an Honest opinion also

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Just now, Gugny said:

 

Which is why I wonder why the police officer just didn't leave well enough alone when the dude was sitting down.  He knew help was going to be there within seconds (which it was).

 

Again ... very easy for me to say.

 

 

Yeah- as I said above, that seemed dumb. I think (from my tiny contextual perspective) It would have been good to use it as a chance to calm everything down and wait to get the situation in control. He might have had issue with the fact that he was against the door from which help was to come... who knows. 

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1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

Which is why I wonder why the police officer just didn't leave well enough alone when the dude was sitting down.  He knew help was going to be there within seconds (which it was).

 

Again ... very easy for me to say.

 

He didn't just leave him sitting there because if you watch the video you can see how fast a person can get up and charge you. Before all else cops need to get him into cuffs then speak with him.

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1 minute ago, Wsam4031 said:

Always! But its an Honest opinion also

 

I meant about correcting your use of “clip” vs mag or magazine. 😛

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Just now, whatdrought said:

 

I meant about correcting your use of “clip” vs mag or magazine. 😛

oh hahaha yea I'm that guy

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12 hours ago, Sig1Hunter said:

Newsflash: cop is in control of the traffic stop. Like it or not, it’s the way it is. Ask. Tell. Make. When people show themselves to be resistant to instructions, commands are next, and they usually don’t go with “pretty please”. 

 

Exhibit A of how to lose control of a situation by trying to be “nice”:

 

 

 

 

 

Thats a hard video to watch.. never want to assume I know the answers, but at the same time, there has to be a better way to handle that. Wouldn’t you want to stand in place and use less Lethal with lethal as backup?

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55 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

My biggest problem with this is that there's no footage of what led to what happened inside the store.

 

I'll be honest ... my comments about the police officer swearing and tasing the guy unnecessarily were mostly tongue-in-cheek.

 

But without the context, it's difficult to judge either person.

 

I'm certainly in no position at all to criticize the police officer's actions.  It's pretty easy for me to say, "the guy was sitting and not moving, why not just let that be good enough until help arrived?"  I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why ... and I'm also sure that I don't know them.

 

What I commend the officer for, most, is that he kept his gun in the holster.  We need more police officers like that.

I think we saw why it wasn't good enough to just be sitting on the ground. He lunged at him from that sitting position and could have grabbed his firearm. Sitting on the ground removes no threat. Laying on your stomach and getting your hands cuffed behind your back removes much of the threat.

 

In fact we saw in the other video posted here that getting shot a bunch and falling to the ground did not remove the threat. That guy stood up and ended up grabbing another police officer and could have killed him.

 

So I would say being on the ground is not sufficient to reduce any threat level whatsoever.

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51 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

This post is stupid. 

 

Now give me my ***** money.

 

 

 

At least we're calling posts that actually happened stupid. Not making them up to call them stupid.

 

It was a stupid post. But I know. You old guys like to stick together, you're like hyenas

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4 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

At least we're calling posts that actually happened stupid. Not making them up to call them stupid.

 

It was a stupid post. But I know. You old guys like to stick together, you're like hyenas

 

We do laugh a lot!

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Posted (edited)
On 7/9/2019 at 12:55 PM, Boatdrinks said:

What an idiot

Yup,

 

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11 minutes ago, Wsam4031 said:

He didn't just leave him sitting there because if you watch the video you can see how fast a person can get up and charge you. Before all else cops need to get him into cuffs then speak with him.

 

Clearly, I watched the video.  The guy was sitting; not moving.  The police officer kept screaming at him to get on his stomach.  I get it.  That's what he's supposed to do and, obviously, he wanted him on his stomach.

 

My point is that the guy was still.  We'll never know, but my guess is that had the officer just kept the taser pointed at him and said, "don't move," the guy wouldn't have moved.  Then, when help arrived, he'd have been more easily able to get him in handcuffs.

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40 minutes ago, Wsam4031 said:

If I'm that cop and that dude continues to lunge at me like that and takes my stun gun I'm unloading a clip in him. They don't have the ability of foresight and has no clue what this guys intentions actually are.

key word, if. lets just say it's a good thing you're not a cop. I know that there will be and are times of justification where they may need to unload a clip on a suspect but it seems to me, the mentality has gone over board with cops (I know, some cops are being killed too) where they seem to have become trial/judge/convicter all in one with shooting first and asking questions later. 

 

it is wise in these times to follow orders when dealing with trigger happy cops.

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28 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Thats a hard video to watch.. never want to assume I know the answers, but at the same time, there has to be a better way to handle that. Wouldn’t you want to stand in place and use less Lethal with lethal as backup?

 

the guy was shot how many times and still got up and charged the officer?  that guy was on something so you can imagine if the cop tried a tazer it would have done less. 

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3 hours ago, Sig1Hunter said:

 

Ive known guys that were security forces in the USAF and they most assuredly did not receive the exact same training as civilian LEOs. Similar jobs, but definitely different as well. Have you been through the police academy in your state? If not, how would you know? Not trying to bust your chops too hard cuz I like most of your takes on football related things, but it’s pretty obvious you have a weak knowledge base on the topic of legal and justified use of force pertaining to LEOs. 

Hmmmm

Did you ever stop to think that being a former military and specifically military policeman that I also would have a lot of contact with LAPD, CHP, Sherif's department as they try very hard to recruit us when we leave the military AND that we share a lot of the same interests?   That we might have family in law enforcement?

 

I chose not to pursue it when I left the military and instead became a university student advisor....it doesnt mean I left it completely because you NEVER leave it completely.   To make assumptions about someone you dont know is well........stupid.

 

I stand by the fact that profanity is not needed and elevates the situations.......being calm and giving calm instructions unless aggression is showed is a MUST....it IS taught in both the military and the academy regardless of what you say.


i will also go on to say that a lot of these community uprisings against law enforcement that you are seeing across the United States can directly be attributed to innappropriate actions taken by police officers and then end up going viral.   A police officer should never do anything that they would not want to see the media or the community see on a video.  There is a reason why they are called PUBLIC SERVANTS or "peace officers"

 

I think YOU are the one that is in need of re evaluation here.

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2 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

Thats a hard video to watch.. never want to assume I know the answers, but at the same time, there has to be a better way to handle that. Wouldn’t you want to stand in place and use less Lethal with lethal as backup?

In this situation I would take him down.   I would NOT back up like they are doing.   I probably would not use the word "please" and give the commands.  I probably would follow up with "put the knife down or you will be fired upon" and keep my go pro on at all times to document the event.

 

There is a distance rule with a perp with weapon....at the end of the day the peace officer deserves to go hope at night alive as well.

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2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Hmmmm

Did you ever stop to think that being a former military and specifically military policeman that I also would have a lot of contact with LAPD, CHP, Sherif's department as they try very hard to recruit us when we leave the military AND that we share a lot of the same interests?   That we might have family in law enforcement?

 

I chose not to pursue it when I left the military and instead became a university student advisor....it doesnt mean I left it completely because you NEVER leave it completely.   To make assumptions about someone you dont know is well........stupid.

 

I stand by the fact that profanity is not needed and elevates the situations.......being calm and giving calm instructions unless aggression is showed is a MUST....it IS taught in both the military and the academy regardless of what you say.


i will also go on to say that a lot of these community uprisings against law enforcement that you are seeing across the United States can directly be attributed to innappropriate actions taken by police officers and then end up going viral.   A police officer should never do anything that they would not want to see the media or the community see on a video.  There is a reason why they are called PUBLIC SERVANTS or "peace officers"

 

I think YOU are the one that is in need of re evaluation here.

You are entitled to your opinion, ignorant as it may be. Trying to clothe it in “I was a military policeman” and “I know people” doesn’t hide it. Don’t get angry when you get called out on it after putting it on display for others to see. 

 

Your statements about “community uprisings against law enforcement” show off how you have no clue what you are talking about. Ignorant people shouting ignorant opinions from the mountaintops (i.e. you) and believing that those ignorant opinions on police procedure should have any value in the discussion are more of a factor. Your misplaced perception that there was “inappropriate actions” doesn’t make it a fact. Like you said before, it’s your opinion. You are welcome to have it. I’m welcome to point out that it’s not factually correct. 

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1 minute ago, Sig1Hunter said:

You are entitled to your opinion, ignorant as it may be. Trying to clothe it in “I was a military policeman” and “I know people” doesn’t hide it. Don’t get angry when you get called out on it after putting it on display for others to see. 

 

Your statements about “community uprisings against law enforcement” show off how you have no clue what you are talking about. Ignorant people shouting ignorant opinions from the mountaintops (i.e. you) and believing that those ignorant opinions on police procedure should have any value in the discussion are more of a factor. Your misplaced perception that there was “inappropriate actions” doesn’t make it a fact. Like you said before, it’s your opinion. You are welcome to have it. I’m welcome to point out that it’s not factually correct. 

I have tried very hard to have a civil conversation with you on this.

 

Your an idiot......we will leave it at that.

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17 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I have tried very hard to have a civil conversation with you on this.

 

Your an idiot......we will leave it at that.

Irony, thy name is John...

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3 hours ago, Sig1Hunter said:

You are entitled to your opinion, ignorant as it may be. Trying to clothe it in “I was a military policeman” and “I know people” doesn’t hide it. Don’t get angry when you get called out on it after putting it on display for others to see. 

 

Your statements about “community uprisings against law enforcement” show off how you have no clue what you are talking about. Ignorant people shouting ignorant opinions from the mountaintops (i.e. you) and believing that those ignorant opinions on police procedure should have any value in the discussion are more of a factor. Your misplaced perception that there was “inappropriate actions” doesn’t make it a fact. Like you said before, it’s your opinion. You are welcome to have it. I’m welcome to point out that it’s not factually correct. 

 

I respect both you and John.  And I have a lot of respect for the law abiding LEOs in our country.  But I'd like some clarification with regard to your comment about the community uprisings against law enforcement.

 

There are a LOT of bad cops out there.  Murderers.  Shooting people in the back.  Shooting unarmed people.  Beating the ever living ***** out of people.  To say that they're abusing their authority would be the understatement of the century.  And they keep getting acquitted.  They get paid while they do nothing waiting for a bull####/rigged trial that will find them "not guilty."  It happens a lot.  It happens TOO MUCH.

 

In my heart of hearts, I believe that those cops are the minority.  I think most people in law enforcement are in it for the right reasons and do the right things.

 

But to sit here and say that, "community uprisings against law enforcement that you are seeing across the United States can directly be attributed to inappropriate actions taken by police officers," (John's words) is inaccurate or, even worse, ignorant ... that's simply wrong.  He's right.  He is spot on.

 

Why do you take exception to that assertion?  It's true.  There are murderous cops out there.  Worse than the murderers they're supposed to be apprehending.  You can't deny this.  Can you?

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There are “a lot” of bad cops out there? You defend that position. Are you defining “bad cops” out of your belief of what cops should be doing or what the legal definition of lawful use of control is? 

 

Are there bad cops? Yes. Are there a lot? No.

 

My response to his statement about uprisings against law enforcement was controverting his accusation that these uprisings are the fault of cops. Too many people out there that have ZERO training and experience in what law enforcement officers can and can’t do are screaming their ignorant views through the stupidity megaphone of social media. Most of those people have an agenda. I don’t think that John does, but he still buys into the BS. Cops shouldn’t cuss a dude that is actively fighting them? Come on. Is a cop shooting a suspect in the back wrong? If a man is carrying a gun, running away from the cops, and ignoring commands to drop the gun, can the cops shoot him in the back? What is an unarmed suspect? Is a suspect unarmed if he attacks a cop and tries unsuccessfully to take his gun? His taser? His baton? 

 

I have ZERO issues with how this situation was handled. The cop did the best with what he had, like 99 percent of every other cop working on a daily basis. Yet, people B word and moan about language. GTFO. 

 

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For further reading, I challenge you to know and understand the SCOTUS rulings in Tennessee v Garner, and Graham v Connor...and all associated rulings. Cops know them and are bound by them. The sham trials you speak up of are based upon these well-founded legal conclusions. They aren’t based upon the beliefs of people like you, or me, or John. They are based on the rule of law. 

 

 

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