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4 minutes ago, Nelius said:

 

Or perhaps he was trying to show some restraint because anything more could have resulted in his immediate death? Had he pile drived that cop his partner would have killed him

 

He was clearly trying to knock that cop down....and struggling.  

 

If he was worried about “immediate death”,  he would have gotten prone on the ground. 

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My favorite part is asking for a supervisor as he’s wrestling with the cop 😂. Whether he had a legitimate gripe or not, I think it’s a little too late to negotiate your way out of it at that point. 

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17 minutes ago, Nelius said:

 

Or perhaps he was trying to show some restraint because anything more could have resulted in his immediate death? Had he pile drived that cop his partner would have killed him

So to you restraint = going easy on the cop while scuffling with him...? Holy **** , that’s crazy. 

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4 hours ago, Gugny said:

The officer told him to sit and he sat.

 

The officer then started using profanities, which was totally unnecessary.

 

He was sitting when he got tased.  I didn't see the need to tase him at that time.  From what I could see, he was being compliant and cooperative.

 

But after that, I think he got a little out of hand and should have definitely been arrested.

 

I think the cop should have waited for backup, but he was sitting on the ground after already having fought with the cop, and then when the cop told him to get on his stomach (so he can put cuffs on him and end the confrontation) he refused and sat there. That's when he got tazed. Cop didn't do anything "wrong," but thinking a taser was gonna do the trick, and not letting him sit there until he had backup was just a dumb move. 

 

 

 

In other news, that tiny cop is a straight G for taking on that much man and seemingly surviving....

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4 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Ya know, this guy would cost noting to bring in pre- camp on a tryout, and after all we got an organization that just drafted a coach defying  coat wearing wearing malcontent so  talent is obviouly more  important to this team now...and it seems to me he did nothing wrong, cop had a Napoleon complex looked to ,me

I say all before post 12..i win...pay the man ees money!

I’ll bet you at some point his parents put coal under their Christmas tree. 🎄 

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31 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

I think the cop should have waited for backup, but he was sitting on the ground after already having fought with the cop, and then when the cop told him to get on his stomach (so he can put cuffs on him and end the confrontation) he refused and sat there. That's when he got tazed. Cop didn't do anything "wrong," but thinking a taser was gonna do the trick, and not letting him sit there until he had backup was just a dumb move. 

 

 

 

In other news, that tiny cop is a straight G for taking on that much man and seemingly surviving....

 

 

...have to agree bud...in this day and age, open a news website with your morning coffee to see how many cops were killed overnight.....knowing cops are jumpy and wondering if they're next, why not just do what you are told?......wrong era to confront a cop IMO.....

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Man did that taser even do anything to him? He also took the taser from the cop on the ground. Dudes lucky he wasnt killed.

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10 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Whatever faint hope he had on the NFL is now gone.

 

 

 

You're right.  He'd have already had to have been an established star in order for the NFL (and fans) to forgive him.

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10 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

It is difficult to see what happened right before he sat him on the ground.....but there does appear to be a scuffle

 

Did the NFL player make contact with the officer at that point?

 

I really dont like when officers start cussing when giveng commands......and maybe it actually escalated the situation BUT......but these guys do have a job to do as well.

Newsflash: cop is in control of the traffic stop. Like it or not, it’s the way it is. Ask. Tell. Make. When people show themselves to be resistant to instructions, commands are next, and they usually don’t go with “pretty please”. 

 

Exhibit A of how to lose control of a situation by trying to be “nice”:

 

 

 

 

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45 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

Newsflash: cop is in control of the traffic stop. Like it or not, it’s the way it is. Ask. Tell. Make. When people show themselves to be resistant to instructions, commands are next, and they usually don’t go with “pretty please”. 

 

Exhibit A of how to lose control of a situation by trying to be “nice”:

 

 

 

 

Sorry.....but like I said in my original post

 

I cant see what is going on prior to the video...if at ANY time Malik made a move to the officer's weapon he should just be tazed at that point and no explanation needed

 

but

 

The police offer IS the professional in this situation....and the first thing they teach you at the Police Acadamy (and I was a security policemen in the Air Force...it is taught there as well) elevated tone of voice and profanity cause aggression....not suppression....IF the detainee has not shown aggression then clear calm instructions come first....then esculate as the scenario plays out.......and profanity is NEVER needed because it is belittling.

 

That is my opinion

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12 hours ago, Gugny said:

The officer told him to sit and he sat.

 

The officer then started using profanities, which was totally unnecessary.

 

He was sitting when he got tased.  I didn't see the need to tase him at that time.  From what I could see, he was being compliant and cooperative.

 

But after that, I think he got a little out of hand and should have definitely been arrested.

He wasn't complying. He refused to get on his stomach (so that the officer could cuff him). He was warned like 1 million times that he would get tased if he didn't get on his stomach, and he was fighting with the cop before then, so I really see nothing wrong with how the cop handled this.

 

I've seen plenty of videos of cops power tripping and being ridiculous, but I don't think this is one of those.

 

And wow, that taser really did nothing. Probably should have turned up the power or something.

7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Sorry.....but like I said in my original post

 

I cant see what is going on prior to the video...if at ANY time Malik made a move to the officer's weapon he should just be tazed at that point and no explanation needed

 

but

 

The police offer IS the professional in this situation....and the first thing they teach you at the Police Acadamy (and I was a security policemen in the Air Force...it is taught there as well) elevated tone of voice and profanity cause aggression....not suppression....IF the detainee has not shown aggression then clear calm instructions come first....then esculate as the scenario plays out.......and profanity is NEVER needed because it is belittling.

 

That is my opinion

They were struggling before he was on the ground. The situation had already been escalated and had already been physical.

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3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Sorry.....but like I said in my original post

 

I cant see what is going on prior to the video...if at ANY time Malik made a move to the officer's weapon he should just be tazed at that point and no explanation needed

 

but

 

The police offer IS the professional in this situation....and the first thing they teach you at the Police Acadamy (and I was a security policemen in the Air Force...it is taught there as well) elevated tone of voice and profanity cause aggression....not suppression....IF the detainee has not shown aggression then clear calm instructions come first....then esculate as the scenario plays out.......and profanity is NEVER needed because it is belittling.

 

That is my opinion

 

Sounds like you were very well taught John and thank you for bringing a very valuable perspective to the discussion. 

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5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Sorry.....but like I said in my original post

 

I cant see what is going on prior to the video...if at ANY time Malik made a move to the officer's weapon he should just be tazed at that point and no explanation needed

 

but

 

The police offer IS the professional in this situation....and the first thing they teach you at the Police Acadamy (and I was a security policemen in the Air Force...it is taught there as well) elevated tone of voice and profanity cause aggression....not suppression....IF the detainee has not shown aggression then clear calm instructions come first....then esculate as the scenario plays out.......and profanity is NEVER needed because it is belittling.

 

That is my opinion

 

No, that’s not the first thing they teach you in the academy. They *do* teach when it is justifiable to use the taser, though. I can assure you that it isn’t only justified after a suspect makes a move for a cops weapon. That’s a completely different level of force. 

 

I agree that polite, professionalism is the best way to handle all situations where compliance can be gained with it. The cop did not get out of his car barking profanities and orders. 

 

I will also (remind you?) that being assertive and dominant in situations where it is needed IS professional. A cop facing a physically resistant subject that is much larger and possesses much more apparent physical ability and strength calls for such assertiveness and verbal dominance. I’m not sure if they taught you that in your training in the USAF. 

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14 hours ago, Nelius said:

 

Or perhaps he was trying to show some restraint because anything more could have resulted in his immediate death? Had he pile drived that cop his partner would have killed him

 

Read the article and watch the video.

 

He put his hands on the cop an tried to force him to the ground twice.  He made a grab for the Taser.  Clearly he wasn't worried about "immediate death".  He wasn't the one showing ANY restraint...

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18 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Whatever faint hope he had on the NFL is now gone.

 

 

 

 

Yep,  especially if he was high or drunk during this event.

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That cop gave him every chance to comply but the idiot just kept saying I need a Superviser. To be honest if I was that cop forget the damn stun gun I'm putting a bullet into your leg. When it got to the point where they were wrestling around the officer could have been easily disarmed by a man of that size and shot and killed with his own weapon. It might just be because I have more than a few family and friends who are cops but when I get pulled over my hands are on the top of the steering wheel until the officer instructs me otherwise. That guy is so so so so lucky that he was not shot.

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3 hours ago, Sig1Hunter said:

 

No, that’s not the first thing they teach you in the academy. They *do* teach when it is justifiable to use the taser, though. I can assure you that it isn’t only justified after a suspect makes a move for a cops weapon. That’s a completely different level of force. 

 

I agree that polite, professionalism is the best way to handle all situations where compliance can be gained with it. The cop did not get out of his car barking profanities and orders. 

 

I will also (remind you?) that being assertive and dominant in situations where it is needed IS professional. A cop facing a physically resistant subject that is much larger and possesses much more apparent physical ability and strength calls for such assertiveness and verbal dominance. I’m not sure if they taught you that in your training in the USAF. 

Of course they did WTF are you talking about we receive the same training as the academy.

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21 hours ago, Gugny said:

The officer told him to sit and he sat.

 

The officer then started using profanities, which was totally unnecessary.

 

He was sitting when he got tased.  I didn't see the need to tase him at that time.  From what I could see, he was being compliant and cooperative.

 

But after that, I think he got a little out of hand and should have definitely been arrested.

 

I tried my best to look at it from a neutral prospective but I have a hard time faulting the cop here, especially with the context from the rest of the article. Even just taking the video for what it is (out of context), you can see they were fighting before he ended up sitting on the ground. The cop was repeatedly telling him to go to his stomach,where he would have been in a secured position to handcuff. I understand Malik wanted to know what was going on, but the officers priority is to make sure this guy that's triple his size is secured and is no longer a threat. Had he complied and allowed himself to be cuffed it probably would have gone much better for him. 

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22 hours ago, Mark80 said:

He was wrestling with him already before he sat down.  As soon as that happens the whole encounter has changed.  Now the cops top priority is getting this guy in handcuffs some how, some way.  The man (a 6'6" mountain of a man mind you) sits but continues to ignore commands to lie down.  How are you going to handcuff a guy that size when he is sitting, back against a wall?  As noted in the article he is also suspected of being intoxicated in some way so who knows what he will do.  Then after being tased after refusing command after command after command, he gets up and lunges at the officer, eventually taking away his taser.  The guy is lucky he is not dead and it would be completely justified.  

 

And the profanities part?  Yeah, people always listen to "Will you please ..." in a calm voice in these circumstance.

 

Don’t you know being a cop means you are required to put your life completely at the mercy of the guy you’re trying to arrest before you’re allowed to use any force?

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51 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Of course they did WTF are you talking about we receive the same training as the academy.

 

Ive known guys that were security forces in the USAF and they most assuredly did not receive the exact same training as civilian LEOs. Similar jobs, but definitely different as well. Have you been through the police academy in your state? If not, how would you know? Not trying to bust your chops too hard cuz I like most of your takes on football related things, but it’s pretty obvious you have a weak knowledge base on the topic of legal and justified use of force pertaining to LEOs. 

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28 minutes ago, ColdFront_USAF said:

 

I tried my best to look at it from a neutral prospective but I have a hard time faulting the cop here, especially with the context from the rest of the article. Even just taking the video for what it is (out of context), you can see they were fighting before he ended up sitting on the ground. The cop was repeatedly telling him to go to his stomach,where he would have been in a secured position to handcuff. I understand Malik wanted to know what was going on, but the officers priority is to make sure this guy that's triple his size is secured and is no longer a threat. Had he complied and allowed himself to be cuffed it probably would have gone much better for him. 

 

My biggest problem with this is that there's no footage of what led to what happened inside the store.

 

I'll be honest ... my comments about the police officer swearing and tasing the guy unnecessarily were mostly tongue-in-cheek.

 

But without the context, it's difficult to judge either person.

 

I'm certainly in no position at all to criticize the police officer's actions.  It's pretty easy for me to say, "the guy was sitting and not moving, why not just let that be good enough until help arrived?"  I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why ... and I'm also sure that I don't know them.

 

What I commend the officer for, most, is that he kept his gun in the holster.  We need more police officers like that.

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Any relationship to Lil Donte? 

 

DON’T TAZE ME BRO.

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23 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Taking bets on the following posts:

 

$1 for "Should we kick the tires?" by post #12

$2 for "The cop can't arrest a guy for getting out of his car" by post #18

$5 for "Talent trumps character...sign him" by post #27

 

What are the odds on calling this post stupid? I must have to bet like 50 to win a buck.

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1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

What are the odds on calling this post stupid? I must have to bet like 50 to win a buck.

 

This post is stupid. 

 

Now give me my ***** money.

 

 

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