Cripple Creek Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 https://q13fox.com/2019/06/16/water-worshipper-reportedly-entering-oklahoma-homes-businesses-to-turn-on-faucets/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poleshifter Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 14 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Remember... Lakes are melting hunks of ice. See were Escarpment goes under Lake Huron and water spills into Georgian Bay? See where it goes under L.Michigan @ Door County and water spills into Green Bay? L.Superior to the North I believe is volcanic, basalt. The Michigan-Huron, Erie share common impounded geology. Georgian Bay, Green Bay are beyond that. Superior different. Ontario different. I am NOT a geologist... But I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Any professional geologist out there care to expound? This is an experts only slope. Thanks for the explanation. And "salties" = ocean-going ships? (either that or some little fishies) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 17, 2019 Author Share Posted June 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Foxx said: i'm beginning to think you may have been water boarded once, possibly twice before. LakeEvaporation I stand corrected. Winter is critical too: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) I have worked in tourism in Niagara Falls for the past 25 years. The water levels in the lower Niagara are higher than they've ever been. This past Friday the Hornblower and Maid of the Mist boats lost a full day of business for the first time in history because the water level submerged the docks that passengers use to access the boats. It was the 5th day this season they had a shutdown ( the other four were just partial day losses.) It's a huge problem and is not going to get better anytime soon. I was told by one engineer that they are hoping for sustained hot weather with increased air-conditioner useage so that the increase demand for hydro will call for more water to be sent through the upper-river water intakes to the power plants. Edited June 17, 2019 by ChevyVanMiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 A song for the times: "This too shall pass" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2019/06/08/flood-watch-effect-lake-ontario-shoreline/1393188001/ A flood watch is in effect for the Lake Ontario shoreline from Niagara to Jefferson counties. The National Weather Service issues the watch at 1 p.m. The watch is set to expire at 5 p.m. for Niagara, Orleans, Monroe and Wayne counties, but will last until 11 p.m. for Jefferson, northern Cayuga and Oswego counties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeDudeAtHome Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 On 6/15/2019 at 7:19 PM, ExiledInIllinois said: Yes they can. Next thing you'll tell me that when you take a dump and flush... The new toilet water is just as dirty as before the flush. And it's really a "controlling works" because it acts just like the toilet in your house. It's just a big azz one. We would flush more water, dilute even more... But Illinois is bound by SCOTUS rulings going back over 100 years to NOT to divert more than ~4,000 cfs (cubic feet per second). There you have it, the original "low flow" water closet. Anyway... Back to original topic. The Great Lakes are over flowing because winters have been more severe since 2014. The more ice cover on Michigan-Huron & Erie supress Lake temps... So as during the main evaporation months of July and August there is less evaporation that falls outside the basin. Rate of water accumulation beats the rate of abatement. Which means more net water gain than goes out over the Niagara Falls and through Chicago for the middle three lakes. A buddy of mine sometimes has that problem after I leave his house.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 It's because of Global Warming. Obviously. Are there really still idiots out there denying that's a thing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: It's because of Global Warming. Obviously. Are there really still idiots out there denying that's a thing? I thought it was called “climate change”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: I thought it was called “climate change”? It is. Same thing, both can be used interchangeably. Less pollution, cleaner water... Generally better environment than we have been accustomed to be living in. Harder freezes are associated with global warming. I know, hard to believe right? Harder freezes lead to more water retention in Great Lakes. Why are people so negative? The environment is getting better for us in general here in the US. Why the constant "revolution" that the sky is falling? Wolf always at the door? We will leave things better for our children than our parents left it for us. Now... Other parts of the world, I am not so sure. IMO, we need to fix what we are doing there. Edited June 18, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: It is. Same thing, both can be used interchangeably. Less pollution, cleaner water... Generally better environment than we have been accustomed to be living in. Harder freezes are associated with global warming. I know, hard to believe right? Harder freezes lead to more water retention in Great Lakes. Why are people so negative? The environment is getting better for us in general here in the US. Why the constant "revolution" that the sky is falling? Wolf always at the door? We will leave things better for our children than our parents left it for us. Now... Other parts of the world, I am not so sure. IMO, we need to fix what we are doing there. Maybe the Corps should start building some canals and locks in Kenya, Istanbul, Afghanistan....then we can monitor their pollution levels easier and maybe take over their ports, inland waters and economy in general? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Put pipes in the ground and send it to California. Put a lot of people to work installing the 30’ pipes in the ground. Lower the lakes reduce the flooding and water the grapes ? ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, mead107 said: Put pipes in the ground and send it to California. Put a lot of people to work installing the 30’ pipes in the ground. Lower the lakes reduce the flooding and water the grapes ? ???????? That would be good! On the one hand the enviro's can't stand pipelines while on the other their tongues are hanging out for water. Can't overlook all the midwest flooding from winter snow melt that flooding the farmer's fields. That could be a shorter pipeline. Should we all buy US Steel yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Maybe the Corps should start building some canals and locks in Kenya, Istanbul, Afghanistan....then we can monitor their pollution levels easier and maybe take over their ports, inland waters and economy in general? Marco! Just between you & me, we should keep this under our Stetsons. I won't confirm this yes or no, but you are getting close with your ideas. Not necessarily those places you mentioned, we aren't just in the canal business. POLO! Edited June 18, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 On 6/17/2019 at 11:48 AM, ChevyVanMiller said: It's a huge problem and is not going to get better anytime soon. I was told by one engineer that they are hoping for sustained hot weather with increased air-conditioner useage so that the increase demand for hydro will call for more water to be sent through the upper-river water intakes to the power plants. This does not make sense to me. If the water from the Upper river flows over the falls or around the falls through the power intakes, it still raises the level of Lake Ontario, which in the end determines the level of water in the lower river. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Greybeard said: This does not make sense to me. If the water from the Upper river flows over the falls or around the falls through the power intakes, it still raises the level of Lake Ontario, which in the end determines the level of water in the lower river. Yeah. There are reserve storage reservoirs, but they can't possibly be that big on Canadian and American sides. Lower the flow at the Falls for aesthetic quality and tourism even during daylight hours... But I can't imagine they have that much storage. Around 3 billion gallons flow over Falls a day. Maybe their reserve storage at reservoirs are filled to the brim. Then in that case they will have increase flow over Falls for Tourism. Ontario is in a bind. They take in all what the other Lakes send her. Shut down the Welland Canal. Shutting down the Welland Canal will make Erie go up 6", Huron 3", & Michigan 2". OR: open wide down the St.Lawrence. I jest. Anyway... Why pray for hydro demand? Stop putting in from them the Arctic TO Superior. Slow it down at The Soo. Here is a good book: https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Great_Lakes_Water_Wars.html?id=3vgzhwmmmw4C&source=kp_book_description Peter Annin Island Press, Aug 25, 2009 - Nature - 320 pages 1 Review The Great Lakes are the largest collection of fresh surface water on earth, and more than 40 million Americans and Canadians live in their basin. Will we divert water from the Great Lakes, causing them to end up like Central Asia's Aral Sea, which has lost 90 percent of its surface area and 75 percent of its volume since 1960? Or will we come to see that unregulated water withdrawals are ultimately catastrophic? Peter Annin writes a fast-paced account of the people and stories behind these upcoming battles. Destined to be the definitive story for the general public as well as policymakers, The Great Lakes Water Wars is a balanced, comprehensive look behind the scenes at the conflicts and compromises that are the past-and future-of this unique resource. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yeah. There are reserve storage reservoirs, but they can't possibly be that big on Canadian and American sides. Lower the flow at the Falls for aesthetic quality and tourism even during daylight hours... But I can't imagine they have that much storage. Around 3 billion gallons flow over Falls a day. Maybe their reserve storage at reservoirs are filled to the brim. Then in that case they will have increase flow over Falls for Tourism. Ontario is in a bind. They take in all what the other Lakes send her. Shut down the Welland Canal. Shutting down the Welland Canal will make Erie go up 6", Huron 3", & Michigan 2". OR: open wide down the St.Lawrence. I jest. Anyway... Why pray for hydro demand? Stop putting in from them the Arctic TO Superior. Slow it down at The Soo. Here is a good book: https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Great_Lakes_Water_Wars.html?id=3vgzhwmmmw4C&source=kp_book_description Peter Annin Island Press, Aug 25, 2009 - Nature - 320 pages 1 Review The Great Lakes are the largest collection of fresh surface water on earth, and more than 40 million Americans and Canadians live in their basin. Will we divert water from the Great Lakes, causing them to end up like Central Asia's Aral Sea, which has lost 90 percent of its surface area and 75 percent of its volume since 1960? Or will we come to see that unregulated water withdrawals are ultimately catastrophic? Peter Annin writes a fast-paced account of the people and stories behind these upcoming battles. Destined to be the definitive story for the general public as well as policymakers, The Great Lakes Water Wars is a balanced, comprehensive look behind the scenes at the conflicts and compromises that are the past-and future-of this unique resource. Here is a link to math solutions which happen to include some on what it takes to create energy. Not for everyone but I found it interesting. https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2011/11/pump-up-the-storage/ I was looking for the capacity of the reservoir at the power plant, which I found at the link below. What I never realized is that they pump water up to the reservoir at night to store energy. I had always thought it was just to store water at the level of the upper Niagara River. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moses_Niagara_Power_Plant And thanks for the book idea. Edited June 18, 2019 by Greybeard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Greybeard said: Here is a link to math solutions which happen to include some on what it takes to create energy. Not for everyone but I found it interesting. https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2011/11/pump-up-the-storage/ I was looking for the capacity of the reservoir at the power plant, which I found at the link below. What I never realized is that they pump water up to the reservoir at night to store energy. I had always thought it was just to store water at the level of the upper Niagara River. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moses_Niagara_Power_Plant And thanks for the book idea. Kinzua is also pumped storage: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinzua_Dam https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_Pumped_Storage_Generating_Station I would have thought Niagara was all gravity fed. FWIW... I think they are still digging extra capacity on the Canadian side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) On 6/17/2019 at 1:05 AM, ExiledInIllinois said: LakeEvaporation I stand corrected. Winter is critical too: On Monday, the Senate Minority Leader toured a business in Fair Haven and called for the international body to "tear-up" its Plan 2014, which many have blamed for the flooding in 2017 and this year. Humans Are Not Responsible for Global Warming you're welcome. Edited June 18, 2019 by Foxx copy and pasted the wrong link. Ell will want his 'thumbs up' back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I remember touring this place in college as a field trip for a power generation and distribution class. northfield-mountain-hydroelectric-station It’s a pump storage facility. An impressive piece of engineering. It’s not far from UMass, my undergrad alma mater (I are enjinear) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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