whatdrought Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: He has dealt with hamstring issues every year except last year that has affected his productivity in each season. He may suit up for games an average amount, but expect him to be banged up and not produce. In addition he had a pretty bad concussion a few years back and he has sickle-cell anemia.But yea, #Roasted Evidence for his ailments for those that didn't follow it when it was happening:https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowJo02.htm After breaking out his sophomore year starting 11 games and breaking 1000 yards with 7 TDs, his next two seasons with the cardinals: 6 GS 517 yrds 2 TDs 5 GS 299 yrds 3 TDs That's a big reason he only got a 1 year deal from BAL. If you're expecting much more than 650 yards and 5 TDs from him, you're expecting him to be something he's not, in my opinion. He had 715 Yards and 5 Touchdowns last year with half the year his QB was a RB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: He had 715 Yards and 5 Touchdowns last year with half the year his QB was a RB... Cool. I'm rooting for the guy, because I need to. I'm just not under any sort of illusion that he's going to have elite or even better than top 30-ish WR season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Cool. I'm rooting for the guy, because I need to. I'm just not under any sort of illusion that he's going to have elite or even better than top 30-ish WR season Well I'm actually there with you on that one. I think he will have a couple great games, and then disappear sometimes. He's always been more gimmicky than dominant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: He has dealt with hamstring issues every year except last year that has affected his productivity in each season. He may suit up for games an average amount, but expect him to be banged up and not produce. In addition he had a pretty bad concussion a few years back and he has sickle-cell anemia.But yea, #Roasted Evidence for his ailments for those that didn't follow it when it was happening:https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowJo02.htm After breaking out his sophomore year starting 11 games and breaking 1000 yards with 7 TDs, his next two seasons with the cardinals: 6 GS 517 yrds 2 TDs 5 GS 299 yrds 3 TDs That's a big reason he only got a 1 year deal from BAL. If you're expecting much more than 650 yards and 5 TDs from him, you're expecting him to be something he's not, in my opinion. I'm pretty sure the 'games started' stat per PFR just means who was on the field for the first offensive snap...it's pretty meaningless overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Well I'm actually there with you on that one. I think he will have a couple great games, and then disappear sometimes. He's always been more gimmicky than dominant. I would completely believe he has a couple of sick 3 digits multi-touchdown games. In my eyes, our hopes for this year have to rest on a guy like Foster, who has all the tools and has shown flashes, with guys like Beasley and Brown playing complimentary roles as they've typically done throughout their careers. 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: I'm pretty sure the 'games started' stat per PFR just means who was on the field for the first offensive snap...it's pretty meaningless overall. It lines up with very low production numbers, so take from it what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I would completely believe he has a couple of sick 3 digits multi-touchdown games. In my eyes, our hopes for this year have to rest on a guy like Foster, who has all the tools and has shown flashes, with guys like Beasley and Brown playing complimentary roles as they've typically done throughout their careers. It lines up with very low production numbers, so take from it what you will. Shoot, I could care less what the WR's stats look like. give me 25-30 completions by Allen a game divided evenly among 5 or 6 guys and I'll be happy. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: It lines up with very low production numbers, so take from it what you will. He's not one of those upper-echelon production guys but YPG-wise (career, so it's a very rough analysis) he stacks up against wideouts like Golden Tate, Julian Edelman, Robert Woods, Tyler Boyd etc...not big time #1 options but respectable enough. I'd hesitate to call him a very low production WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 I still see the WR's as a big question mark for this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 He wasn’t signed to be a “#1 WR” in terms of expecting 1000+ yards and 10+ TDS, obviously, he would be making a lot more $. The reports are suggesting that he’s emerging as the #1 target for Allen, which makes sense given they are a great match. His production last year was much higher with big armed Flacco than after they switched everything with Lamar. All of this has been discussed since March. He was never the #1 target in Arizona or Baltimore ... but put up 1000 as a #2 target a few years ago and probably hits that last year too without the move to Lamar. I don’t see why his good showing so far should he looked at as a negative. He’s not Allen’s only option but they have a nice connection so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Well I'm actually there with you on that one. I think he will have a couple great games, and then disappear sometimes. He's always been more gimmicky than dominant. I think that may be part of why Coach said something about no true #1, wanting the wideouts to work off each other. Go Bills!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He wasn’t signed to be a “#1 WR” in terms of expecting 1000+ yards and 10+ TDS, obviously, he would be making a lot more $. The reports are suggesting that he’s emerging as the #1 target for Allen, which makes sense given they are a great match. His production last year was much higher with big armed Flacco than after they switched everything with Lamar. All of this has been discussed since March. He was never the #1 target in Arizona or Baltimore ... but put up 1000 as a #2 target a few years ago and probably hits that last year too without the move to Lamar. I don’t see why his good showing so far should he looked at as a negative. He’s not Allen’s only option but they have a nice connection so far. I don't think that's the case anyone is making. It's certainly not mine. It's great news that he and Allen are on the same page and doing well together. It's the thought of that being the best thing we have going on Offense when he had $100M to burn that's troublesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: What is his Long injury history? His 5 seasons: 16 games 15 games 15 games 10 games 16 games Well, it is in his Wiki page that he spent 2016 and 2017 "plagued with injuries" and carries sickle cell trait. He didn't miss a lot of games, but it was felt that the injuries contributed to a big fall-off in production from 2015, and is a reason that Zona decided to move on (despite being kind of "Larry Fitzgerald and who?" at WR last year). AFAIK, Brown could edit his Wiki if he felt it were inaccurate in referring to 2 of his seasons as "plagued with injuries" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_(wide_receiver)2016 season Plagued with hamstring issues throughout the season,[15] Brown posted 39 receptions on 72 targets for 517 yards and two touchdowns in 2016.[16]2017 season Brown's 2017 season was also plagued with injuries, dealing with quadriceps, back, and toe injuries. He played in 10 games with five starts, recording 21 catches for 299 yards and three touchdowns.[17] Sickle cell trait is felt to be aggravated by altitude, so moving from 5,400 ft to 600 ft should help. And he stayed healthy last year and started 15 games for the Ravens, so maybe he just had a run of bad luck or maybe Arizona's team physicians didn't handle his injuries the best way. But durability is, IMO, a major concern with him, even he has been willing to be available and play dinged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Sickle cell trait is felt to be aggravated by altitude, so moving from 5,400 ft to 600 ft should help. And he stayed healthy last year and started 15 games for the Ravens, so maybe he just had a run of bad luck or maybe Arizona's team physicians didn't handle his injuries the best way. But durability is, IMO, a major concern with him, even he has been willing to be available and play dinged. Any idea if this has ever kept him from playing in Denver? I remember Steelers safety Ryan Grant couldn't ever play in Denver, and that Tebow miracle was a game where he was out because of that... The NFL is a weird place. Edit: After looking at his game logs, I see that he played in Denver his rookie year- wonder if that was before the diagnosis, and if that would change now... Edited July 28, 2019 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 3 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: I don't think that's the case anyone is making. It's certainly not mine. It's great news that he and Allen are on the same page and doing well together. It's the thought of that being the best thing we have going on Offense when he had $100M to burn that's troublesome. I see your point, but who did you want us to sign at WR? No matter how much money you have, you can only sign the guys that are available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, it is in his Wiki page that he spent 2016 and 2017 "plagued with injuries" and carries sickle cell trait. He didn't miss a lot of games, but it was felt that the injuries contributed to a big fall-off in production from 2015, and is a reason that Zona decided to move on (despite being kind of "Larry Fitzgerald and who?" at WR last year). AFAIK, Brown could edit his Wiki if he felt it were inaccurate in referring to 2 of his seasons as "plagued with injuries" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_(wide_receiver)2016 season Plagued with hamstring issues throughout the season,[15] Brown posted 39 receptions on 72 targets for 517 yards and two touchdowns in 2016.[16]2017 season Brown's 2017 season was also plagued with injuries, dealing with quadriceps, back, and toe injuries. He played in 10 games with five starts, recording 21 catches for 299 yards and three touchdowns.[17] Sickle cell trait is felt to be aggravated by altitude, so moving from 5,400 ft to 600 ft should help. And he stayed healthy last year and started 15 games for the Ravens, so maybe he just had a run of bad luck or maybe Arizona's team physicians didn't handle his injuries the best way. But durability is, IMO, a major concern with him, even he has been willing to be available and play dinged. 15 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Any idea if this has ever kept him from playing in Denver? I remember Steelers safety Ryan Grant couldn't ever play in Denver, and that Tebow miracle was a game where he was out because of that... The NFL is a weird place. Edit: After looking at his game logs, I see that he played in Denver his rookie year- wonder if that was before the diagnosis, and if that would change now... https://bsndenver.com/source-close-to-john-brown-says-sickle-cell-trait-wont-keep-him-out-of-denver-doctor-weighs-in/ Edited July 28, 2019 by Warcodered 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Any idea if this has ever kept him from playing in Denver? I remember Steelers safety Ryan Grant couldn't ever play in Denver, and that Tebow miracle was a game where he was out because of that... The NFL is a weird place. Good question. I looked, and as far as I can tell, Zona played at Denver his rookie year, before he was diagnosed. He played, and had a poor game, on the other hand he had Drew Stanton throwing to him. Larry Fitzgerald was only 3 of 7 in that game with Drew Stanton throwing to him. The idea seems to be that not being diagnosed and aware of the problem may have exacerbated his injuries and perhaps kept them from being most effectively treated? It's very important for him to stay hydrated and perhaps supplement with oxygen at the first sign of muscle cramping or pain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Warcodered said: https://bsndenver.com/source-close-to-john-brown-says-sickle-cell-trait-wont-keep-him-out-of-denver-doctor-weighs-in/ Sweet! Good article. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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C.Biscuit97 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 I’m not sure how I feel about this. He always struck me as a complimentary receiver. I guess it’s also how you view a number 1. Could I see Brown leading us in yards? Sure. But I view a number 1 is a guy the opposing DC goes all out to stop. A guy who needs to be doubled. A guy with the game on the line, you can go to. I don’t think Brown is that type of player and we lack a “true” number 1 receiver. my fear is we have a Tom Brady receiving core without Tom Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I’m not sure how I feel about this. He always struck me as a complimentary receiver. I guess it’s also how you view a number 1. Could I see Brown leading us in yards? Sure. But I view a number 1 is a guy the opposing DC goes all out to stop. A guy who needs to be doubled. A guy with the game on the line, you can go to. I don’t think Brown is that type of player and we lack a “true” number 1 receiver. my fear is we have a Tom Brady receiving core without Tom Brady. His skill set is no different than another #1 receiver named Tyreek Hill...and Brown was on pace to have a career year, last year, before Flacco got injured...I think our new WR’s will definitely help JA become a better QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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