Wacka Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Put on your Fox News secret goggles. That is the only way one can see it Go smoke another joint Bob. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) People who say Trump lies are liars or They are blind and ignorant al Edited August 30, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) On 8/30/2019 at 3:36 PM, Wacka said: Go smoke another joint Bob. -deleted- Edited September 14, 2019 by Bob in Mich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 45 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: to be clear Gal..i have never argued the point that i think something nefarious happened, and anyone who participated needs to be brought to justice..Does not mean i wont question "theories" These aren't theories, plenz. They're proven, backed by copious amounts of evidence. The fact you do not know of this evidence, despite it being shared for three years on this board and others, underlines the original point I was making: Cuomo and the media have been lying to you, systemically and knowingly, in order to keep you in the dark about this. This was done to divide the country, not to save it. It was done knowingly in order to overturn the results of a legal election they disagreed with. ...Because they're not newsmen. They're narrative engineers, many of whom are assets of the US intelligence services and followed their orders to spread disinformation on the biggest political scandal in our country's history. So why would anyone, ever again, take anything someone like Cuomo says seriously. Even if he says the sky is blue -- he's a ***** liar who should be pillared in the streets, not held up as an example of "the sky is blue". 48 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: This whole last page and half was brought up as @Deranged Rhino brought up a tweet by Trump that Obama had his phones tapped as proof that Trumps tells the truth. I am trying to ascertain if that has been proven anywhere....point out in the text messages that says anything about wiretaps and that Obama ordered them or was briefed ..i dont see it. If you're looking for the media to report it, based on what was said above, you're never going to find it. You have to do the work yourself, which requires time and effort. It's all there. But, because it's real life and not a bad movie, there's no text spelling it all out. There are thousands of pages of documents, testimony, and context which prove without a doubt this happened. The Carter Page warrant is real. It's proven. It was renewed four times. This in beyond debate. It is also beyond debate that it was issued in October 2016, months after Page left the campaign. Do you think the FBI/CIA went to the FISC and said, "gee, we really want to spy on Trump but we do not have a valid legal pretext to do it, so we're going to get this warrant on Page instead because it will allow us to spy on Trump through the two-hop rule," ? That's never going to happen. But it does not take a great leap in logic to understand why a FISA on Page in October 2016 would be useful to a group of intelligence officers and law enforcement personnel who were actively investigating then candidate Trump and the Russia story. A FISA on page gave them the ability to IMMEDIATELY wiretap Trump Tower -- and that's the least egregious part of the powers they got with that fraudulent warrant. Hop 1 Hop 2 Page>>Trump Transition Team>>>Trump This is not theory. This is proven now beyond all reasonable doubt. The only thing still in debate is the motivation behind it. Not whether it happened. 50 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Put on your Fox News secret goggles. That is the only way one can see it You're sounding like Fredo now -- because you're afraid to think for yourself. None of what I've laid out requires anything more than reading SOURCE documents. Not opinion pieces. Not sound bytes from politicians. Actual source documents and testimony. If you were an honest person, you'd at least do the work and see for yourself before judging. (but you're not... or will you prove me wrong? I hope you will.) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: These aren't theories, plenz. They're proven, backed by copious amounts of evidence. The fact you do not know of this evidence, despite it being shared for three years on this board and others, underlines the original point I was making: Cuomo and the media have been lying to you, systemically and knowingly, in order to keep you in the dark about this. This was done to divide the country, not to save it. It was done knowingly in order to overturn the results of a legal election they disagreed with. ...Because they're not newsmen. They're narrative engineers, many of whom are assets of the US intelligence services and followed their orders to spread disinformation on the biggest political scandal in our country's history. So why would anyone, ever again, take anything someone like Cuomo says seriously. Even if he says the sky is blue -- he's a ***** liar who should be pillared in the streets, not held up as an example of "the sky is blue". If you're looking for the media to report it, based on what was said above, you're never going to find it. You have to do the work yourself, which requires time and effort. It's all there. But, because it's real life and not a bad movie, there's no text spelling it all out. There are thousands of pages of documents, testimony, and context which prove without a doubt this happened. The Carter Page warrant is real. It's proven. It was renewed four times. This in beyond debate. It is also beyond debate that it was issued in October 2016, months after Page left the campaign. Do you think the FBI/CIA went to the FISC and said, "gee, we really want to spy on Trump but we do not have a valid legal pretext to do it, so we're going to get this warrant on Page instead because it will allow us to spy on Trump through the two-hop rule," ? That's never going to happen. But it does not take a great leap in logic to understand why a FISA on Page in October 2016 would be useful to a group of intelligence officers and law enforcement personnel who were actively investigating then candidate Trump and the Russia story. A FISA on page gave them the ability to IMMEDIATELY wiretap Trump Tower -- and that's the least egregious part of the powers they got with that fraudulent warrant. Hop 1 Hop 2 Page>>Trump Transition Team>>>Trump This is not theory. This is proven now beyond all reasonable doubt. The only thing still in debate is the motivation behind it. Not whether it happened. You're sounding like Fredo now -- because you're afraid to think for yourself. None of what I've laid out requires anything more than reading SOURCE documents. Not opinion pieces. Not sound bytes from politicians. Actual source documents and testimony. If you were an honest person, you'd at least do the work and see for yourself before judging. (but you're not... or will you prove me wrong? I hope you will.) thx for the post..but if i have to read 100o's of pages to make inferences and connect dots..that is not proving Trump's phones were tapped.by Order of Obama....that is trying to connect dots. Is that not the very same thing the media was doing to Trump on collusion? We will let it go here..for me its like trying to prove someone innocent( where have i heard that before). If it was done, and Obama knew/ordered it, he needs to be prosecuted, along with everyone else that had a role in it..we agree on that 100%. All i am saying is as of not it is not proven..but hopefully Barr gets to the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Bob in Mich said: Hi Bob. You missed the video apparently. It is Chris Cuomo of CNN that calls out Trump's enablers, not the Governor of NY Cuomo. Go back a page in this thread and watch the 5 minchrisute Chris Cuomo video please. I don't attend to either Mario, Andrew, nor Chris. I hear enough from them accidentally, i won't purposely set out to connect with any of them. Is CNN still broadcasting...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Trending this morning #PresidentPinocchiosTopLies...by none other Than Kellyanne's husband( lord wonder what weird sex they have) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wacka Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 6 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: Dick Shawn from Lackawanna! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 This 13 minute video isn't strictly about lying though lying is part of the personality pattern discussed. This is an 'understanding your partner' type of video but it has amazing parallels to my/our relationship with someone in today's news. Start watching it for at least a few minutes and see if this shoe fits someone you know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp225WfKBNg One very large problem is that an individual with this type of personality can be easily manipulated, as we can see being done regularly by several foreign leaders around the world. Once the pattern is recognized and confirmed in a relationship, the recommendation for a healthy course is to distance oneself from this type of individual. The problem is that about 40% of our country seems to have become explainers and enablers for this guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 If he’s talking or texting, he’s lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 every politician lies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 9 hours ago, Bob in Mich said: This 13 minute video isn't strictly about lying though lying is part of the personality pattern discussed. This is an 'understanding your partner' type of video but it has amazing parallels to my/our relationship with someone in today's news. Start watching it for at least a few minutes and see if this shoe fits someone you know. Yes, it does, but fortunately she lost the election. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 On 8/30/2019 at 4:51 PM, plenzmd1 said: thx for the post..but if i have to read 100o's of pages to make inferences and connect dots..that is not proving Trump's phones were tapped.by Order of Obama....that is trying to connect dots. Is that not the very same thing the media was doing to Trump on collusion? We will let it go here..for me its like trying to prove someone innocent( where have i heard that before). If it was done, and Obama knew/ordered it, he needs to be prosecuted, along with everyone else that had a role in it..we agree on that 100%. All i am saying is as of not it is not proven..but hopefully Barr gets to the truth Give it up @Deranged Rhino... Obviously Plenz wants someone else to do the homework for him. Just another example of the sheeple, led by the ring in their brain from too many years of indoctrination. Indoctrination that has taught them WHAT to think, instead of how to think and learn on their own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 24 minutes ago, Cinga said: Give it up @Deranged Rhino... Obviously Plenz wants someone else to do the homework for him. Just another example of the sheeple, led by the ring in their brain from too many years of indoctrination. Indoctrination that has taught them WHAT to think, instead of how to think and learn on their own plenz sux put on ignor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cinga said: Give it up @Deranged Rhino... Obviously Plenz wants someone else to do the homework for him. Just another example of the sheeple, led by the ring in their brain from too many years of indoctrination. Indoctrination that has taught them WHAT to think, instead of how to think and learn on their own is that right ...easy question..show me in the 1000 pages where it says and proves Obama ordered and knew about a tap on Trumps phone. Page numbers,quotes, specifics etc...should be simple for you If you have done the " homework" no? I will wait for you reply. Just another non educated Trump supporter, can only believe what Trump and the neo right tells them to believe, but can't think on their own Edited September 2, 2019 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: is that right ...easy question..show me in the 1000 pages where it says and proves Obama ordered and knew about a tap on Trumps phone. Page numbers,quotes, specifics etc...should be simple for you If you have done the " homework" no? I will wait for you reply. Just another non educated Trump supporter, can only believe what Trump and the neo right tells them to believe, but can't think on their own No.... I don't play nice with idiots® like DR does. Even if I did, you would ask me to tell you exactly what page to look at like you just did with DR since you obviously have no intention of checking it on your own... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Cinga said: No.... I don't play nice with idiots® like DR does. Even if I did, you would ask me to tell you exactly what page to look at like you just did with DR since you obviously have no intention of checking it on your own... Yup. He told me he does not want to read... hard to force someone to educate themselves. ?♀️ Now, it is on me to stop answering his same questions over and over and over again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Just now, Cinga said: No.... I don't play nice with idiots® like DR does. Even if I did, you would ask me to tell you exactly what page to look at like you just did with DR since you obviously have no intention of checking it on your own... so in other words, ya cant ! How bout this..in this country one has to be proven guilty, not innocent. prove Obama guilty to me by giving some sections, some passages, some idea of what @Deranged Rhino is talking about as proof Obama tapped Trumps phone as Trump claimed..I will be here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Yup. He told me he does not want to read... hard to force someone to educate themselves. ?♀️ Now, it is on me to stop answering his same questions over and over and over again. I know the other dude is an idiot, but not you. You are asking me to read 1000 pages or whatever of material to "exonerate" Obama..that'ss an impossible task. As you all argued vehementlyy a few weeks ago, its impossible to do that. What is possible is to prove someone guilty. Yall have posited Obama knew and orderedd Trumps phone tapped( and he may have), should be easy for you to point to the evidence. The standardd is to not prove innocence, its to prove guilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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