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3 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/sharpen-up-september-7-2019/c-308966952

 

prospect challenge continues tonight at 7pm. It will again be streamed live on Sabres.com.

 

It was a pretty good showing by the Sabres prospects last night. I was impressed with the first 2 periods. They seemed to let off the gas a bit in the 3rd. They were up 6-1 though. Probably didn’t want to embarrass NJ too much...lol (j/k) 

 

Im not reading too much into it. He was asked about the Risto trade comments. What else was he supposed to say?

 

I agree with him.

Agree about Eichel’s comments regarding Risto. And he’s absolutely right. Risto is either all in or he shouldn’t be there. 

 

I was more impressed by Eichel’s comments about ROR. They should dispel once and for all that they didn’t get along and there was a rift in the room as a result. 

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13 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I understand your sentiment about Pekar and the need for an infusion of energy and pugnacity to the team. The bigger issue is what is in his best interests for his development. If he went back to the juniors or played in Rochester he would get an abundance of playing time, maybe 20 minutes or more per game. If he started with the Sabres he probably wouldn't be getting more than 10 to 14 minutes per game. In the long run, or not too distant long run, playing more in the lower levels and using the time to more physically and emotionally develop and hone your skills might be the better approach to take.

 

Last year, there was a consideration to have Olofsson start the season with the Sabres. The organization decided to start him off in Rochester where he thrived. They then brought him up at the end of the year dwhere he played well. Tage Thompson started last season with Buffalo and mightily struggled. He was eventually sent back to Rochester where he regained his confidence and his game. I had no problem with exposing him to the NHL but for the sake of his development he should have been sent down sooner.

 

Yzerman is one of the best GM's in the game. He was instrumental in building two long term successful franchises in Tampa and Detroit. He recently went back to Detroit to take over that flagging operation. In an interview at the draft he was asked what would he do to help Detroit get back to being successful again. He succinctly stated: Draft and develop. That's the standard process for success in the NHL. And that is what Botts is currently doing.  

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2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/sharpen-up-september-7-2019/c-308966952

 

prospect challenge continues tonight at 7pm. It will again be streamed live on Sabres.com.

 

It was a pretty good showing by the Sabres prospects last night. I was impressed with the first 2 periods. They seemed to let off the gas a bit in the 3rd. They were up 6-1 though. Probably didn’t want to embarrass NJ too much...lol (j/k) 

 

Im not reading too much into it. He was asked about the Risto trade comments. What else was he supposed to say?

 

I agree with him.

 

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Agree about Eichel’s comments regarding Risto. And he’s absolutely right. Risto is either all in or he shouldn’t be there. 

 

I was more impressed by Eichel’s comments about ROR. They should dispel once and for all that they didn’t get along and there was a rift in the room as a result. 

 

Time will tell about Eichel/Risto.  

You’re both right that one comment doesn’t mean much, but juxtapose it with the same (and previous) effusively positive quotes Eichel made about O’Reilly and even Evander Kane when each left. I’m purely speculating here, BTW, while taking a break from yard work. And it could very well be that Risto is tough to get along with.  It could also be that they’re both very young guys. If there is an issue, I’m not taking one side or the other.

 

But for someone who is trying very hard to embrace the team leader role, Eichel’s comment is actually somewhat telling. He could have gone about answering in any number of ways that weren’t so vanilla. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

 

Time will tell about Eichel/Risto.  

You’re both right that one comment doesn’t mean much, but juxtapose it with the same (and previous) effusively positive quotes Eichel made about O’Reilly and even Evander Kane when each left. I’m purely speculating here, BTW, while taking a break from yard work. And it could very well be that Risto is tough to get along with.  It could also be that they’re both very young guys. If there is an issue, I’m not taking one side or the other.

 

But for someone who is trying very hard to embrace the team leader role, Eichel’s comment is actually somewhat telling. He could have gone about answering in any number of ways that weren’t so vanilla. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don’t see a single word in Eichel’s response to the reporter’s question to suggest there’s even the slightest hint of a problem between him and Risto. Everybody on the team heard Risto’s remarks at the end of the season. Pretty easy to see where he was coming from. So it’s reasonable for his teammates to demand he’s all in when he reports to camp. I suspect Risto knows this as well.

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Hey dudes! Some of you know I am a Leafs (laughs) fan, but I think you guys are closer to being competitive than you think. Not JohnC optimistic, but....?.  I cheer for the Sabres when they are not playing the leafs. Some decent draft picks of the past bunch of drafts and I think JB knows what he’s doing. There will be some awesome battles in the near future. Cheers! 

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42 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

Krueger is such an impressive person to listen to. Housley seemed to have his system and wasn't flexible enough to changing it even when the players weren't able to adapt to it. Krueger is more likely to adjust his system to what the players are more capable of handling. 

 

The Risto trade issue still hovers over this team. My guess is that he will be dealt before the season starts if we can get a second line forward. 

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22 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Krueger is such an impressive person to listen to. Housley seemed to have his system and wasn't flexible enough to changing it even when the players weren't able to adapt to it. Krueger is more likely to adjust his system to what the players are more capable of handling. 

 

The Risto trade issue still hovers over this team. My guess is that he will be dealt before the season starts if we can get a second line forward. 

That’s one reason why I’m flummoxed so many supported him until the bitter end for continuity’s sake.

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1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

That’s one reason why I’m flummoxed so many supported him until the bitter end for continuity’s sake.

I have felt all along and still do that the problem with the team last year had more to do with its lack of talent than the coaching. Is Krueger a better coach? I would say so. But if Krueger had the team that Housley had last year with its many deficits such as a lack of secondary scoring and a credible second line the team would still not be successful. The GM brought in three players through free agency and trades such as Vesey, Miller and Johannson. None are top tier players but all are solid players who add to the talent base. In addition, the younger players that Housley had should be better with the added experience. In order to be a serious team the GM still needs to add players and continue on with the development of the younger players on the roster and in the system. I believe that is what is happening. 

 

There are maybe a half dozen players on this current roster working on the final year of their contracts. With the additional cap space next year that should allow the organization to add outside talent, and with the continued development of the younger players this team should be in a better situation. I still believe that we are another year away from that point. (My opinion.)

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The below attached link is an article by Jourdan LaBarber about some of the young players who are ready and near ready to replace some of the veterans on the roster. This link was taken from the hockey side of TBD. There is a steady transition taking place with players such as Olofsson, Borgen, Asplund, Tage, Pekar, Jokiharju, Brysen etc. Not all will be ready to move up when the season starts but should be ready in the not too distant future. I see at least a half a dozen new faces on this roster when the season starts. I'm counting Olofsson as a new face. 

 

https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/sabres-prospects-challenge-recap-rasmus-asplund-casey-fitzgerald/c-308994092

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2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

yup, give me some of these youngins. A battlin Boston Irishman.. all for that

 

 

 

I had a feeling that was him beating on some 18 year old, so I looked up the other guy.  I couldn't have been more wrong.  The other guy, Angello is a year older, 6 inches taller, and 25 pounds heavier (who knows if that number is up to date).

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Ralph Krueger on the instigators -

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/09-10-sabres-head-coach-ralph-krueger-instigators

 

I love listening to this guy talk. 

20 hours ago, JohnC said:

Krueger is such an impressive person to listen to. Housley seemed to have his system and wasn't flexible enough to changing it even when the players weren't able to adapt to it. Krueger is more likely to adjust his system to what the players are more capable of handling. 

 

 

Yes, it was very nice to hear that he plans to design a system specifically tailored to what This Team and These specific players do well. 

 

Ill wait to get excited until I see it put into action, but it’s definitely a good start and a refreshing change from our previous coaches ramming a system down our players throats regardless of whether it worked or not (Bylsma, Housley) or a complete lack of any system at all (Nolan).  

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2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

Ralph Krueger on the instigators -

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/09-10-sabres-head-coach-ralph-krueger-instigators

 

I love listening to this guy talk. 

Yes, it was very nice to hear that he plans to design a system specifically tailored to what This Team and These specific players do well. 

 

Ill wait to get excited until I see it put into action, but it’s definitely a good start and a refreshing change from our previous coaches ramming a system down our players throats regardless of whether it worked or not (Bylsma, Housley) or a complete lack of any system at all (Nolan).  

Whenever you hear Krueger talking about his philosophy in coaching, management and building an organization he always emphasizes the process. He frequently points out that before you get to Z you have to start with A. You build a foundation and then you add to it. For him (as you point out) there is always adjusting to what the individual player/s can handle and then you add on to the foundation. With Bylsma, maybe even more than Housley, there was a rigidity and zealous adherence to one's system without much regard to the makeup and capacity of the roster. 

 

It was reported that Krueger had a lunch with Okposo and some other players. Okposo stressed that he wanted to get away from complicated systems and play with more instinct and less thought. As great as the new coach is as a talker he is even more talented as a listener. That's an integral part of his process. 

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Speaking of Krueger...

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-tense-rfa-waiting-game-hits-final-stages/

 

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27. There’ve been rumblings that Sabres players have been pleasantly surprised by their meetings with new coach Ralph Krueger. Eichel confirmed that in Chicago. 

 

“I’ll tell you, I went to meet him for a cup of coffee in Slovakia (World Championships) and ended up going to dinner for three hours,” the captain said. “I was extremely blown away by my meeting with him. If he says that he does something, it makes you want to do it. He started talking to me about Bikram Yoga and how much he loved it, so I went and tried Bikram Yoga.”

 

Eichel joked that he sweats a lot, so he fit in nicely. 

 

“He brings the best out of people. I don’t think we had one negative conversation the whole summer. He’s very calculated. He knows what he wants to do and has a plan for it. Nothing’s spur of the moment. Nothing emotional for him, he’s very thought out. I think it will be very good for us.” 

 

Eichel said their conversations spanned more than just hockey, with topics including “rock and roll, cars, travelling, everything.” 

Does Krueger have good taste in music? “He likes ’70s rock,” so yes.

 

I know I’ve said this before, but I’ll say it again. I really thought that the Sabres needed a coach that would command the respect of the entire locker room and get real buy-in (like McDermott with the Bills). I think that’s something this team has really lacked. It looked like they bought in with Housley for a minute, but that quickly seemed to fall apart with the losing. 

 

Im getting hopeful that Krueger will be able to get real buy in from this team. 

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2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

I don't want to diminish the good vibrations that many are feeling about this coach and what he can do working with this roster. Within the hockey world and outside of it Krueger is an impressive man. The crucial issue beyond the coach is whether he has enough talent on this roster to elevate a struggling team into a playoff team, or at the minimum compete for a playoff spot up to the end of the season. I'm not sure that we currently have the requisite talent to get there this season. 

 

Last year,  the GM dealt for Skinner prior to the season. That was a terrific pickup. During the season Botts traded for Montour. That also was a superb pickup. Is the addition of Miller, Vesey and Johannson significant? I believe that it added not only solid talent to the roster but added some grit to a soft team. What I would like to see if Risto is dealt is a second-line forward who will help to create a credible second-line that can take some scoring pressure off of the Jack line. By bringing in a good second forward that would also result in a player moving down to the third line and also making it a more contributing line.  

 

There are a lot of good coaches in this league. The biggest factor for success is the talent level on the roster. Do the Sabres have enough talent to be a good team? I'm not sure that we have enough talent on the roster this year to make a noticeable leap forward ? I would love to be wrong. 

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10 hours ago, JohnC said:

I don't want to diminish the good vibrations that many are feeling about this coach and what he can do working with this roster. Within the hockey world and outside of it Krueger is an impressive man. The crucial issue beyond the coach is whether he has enough talent on this roster to elevate a struggling team into a playoff team, or at the minimum compete for a playoff spot up to the end of the season. I'm not sure that we currently have the requisite talent to get there this season. 

 

Last year,  the GM dealt for Skinner prior to the season. That was a terrific pickup. During the season Botts traded for Montour. That also was a superb pickup. Is the addition of Miller, Vesey and Johannson significant? I believe that it added not only solid talent to the roster but added some grit to a soft team. What I would like to see if Risto is dealt is a second-line forward who will help to create a credible second-line that can take some scoring pressure off of the Jack line. By bringing in a good second forward that would also result in a player moving down to the third line and also making it a more contributing line.  

 

There are a lot of good coaches in this league. The biggest factor for success is the talent level on the roster. Do the Sabres have enough talent to be a good team? I'm not sure that we have enough talent on the roster this year to make a noticeable leap forward ? I would love to be wrong. 

How long is long enough for a GM to assemble talent?

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17 hours ago, JohnC said:

I don't want to diminish the good vibrations that many are feeling about this coach and what he can do working with this roster. Within the hockey world and outside of it Krueger is an impressive man. The crucial issue beyond the coach is whether he has enough talent on this roster to elevate a struggling team into a playoff team, or at the minimum compete for a playoff spot up to the end of the season. I'm not sure that we currently have the requisite talent to get there this season. 

 

Last year,  the GM dealt for Skinner prior to the season. That was a terrific pickup. During the season Botts traded for Montour. That also was a superb pickup. Is the addition of Miller, Vesey and Johannson significant? I believe that it added not only solid talent to the roster but added some grit to a soft team. What I would like to see if Risto is dealt is a second-line forward who will help to create a credible second-line that can take some scoring pressure off of the Jack line. By bringing in a good second forward that would also result in a player moving down to the third line and also making it a more contributing line.  

 

There are a lot of good coaches in this league. The biggest factor for success is the talent level on the roster. Do the Sabres have enough talent to be a good team? I'm not sure that we have enough talent on the roster this year to make a noticeable leap forward ? I would love to be wrong. 

While I have always subscribed to the “talent trumps coaching” philosophy, last year the Sabres were the perfect storm of poor talent AND poor coaching. Coaches like Housley need great talent up and down the lineup to have any chance of winning.

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17 minutes ago, K-9 said:

While I have always subscribed to the “talent trumps coaching” philosophy, last year the Sabres were the perfect storm of poor talent AND poor coaching. Coaches like Housley need great talent up and down the lineup to have any chance of winning.

The Housley era is over with. As you well know I often stated and still believe that the team's struggles had more to do with its dearth of talent than the lackluster coaching. I don't care if Krueger or Queeneville or Trotz was behind our bench last year it still wouldn't have been a playoff contending team.  The lack of a second line and secondary scoring was a deficit that couldn't be hidden. I'm not suggesting that Housley was a good coach because he simply wasn't flexible enough to adjust to his team's limitations. But in the end talent with good coaching will prevail while most often a lack of talent with good coaching won't consistently prevail. 

 

The obvious question is how talented is the team that Krueger is inheriting? And is there enough talent to be a fringe caliber playoff team? I'm not sure. However, if Botts can bring in a genuine second line forward I would be more optimistic.  

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2 minutes ago, JohnC said:

The Housley era is over with. As you well know I often stated and still believe that the team's struggles had more to do with its dearth of talent than the lackluster coaching. I don't care if Krueger or Queeneville or Trotz was behind our bench last year it still wouldn't have been a playoff contending team.  The lack of a second line and secondary scoring was a deficit that couldn't be hidden. I'm not suggesting that Housley was a good coach because he simply wasn't flexible enough to adjust to his team's limitations. But in the end talent with good coaching will prevail while most often a lack of talent with good coaching won't consistently prevail. 

 

The obvious question is how talented is the team that Krueger is inheriting? And is there enough talent to be a fringe caliber playoff team? I'm not sure. However, if Botts can bring in a genuine second line forward I would be more optimistic.  

I think the coaching was so god awful last year I am willing to make a bet( shocking I know).. I say the Sabres either make the playoffs or are with 5 pts..loser has to donate $50 to Sabre Alumni Scholarship!

 

http://www.sabresalumni.com/page.cshtml/9

 

You in?

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27 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

I think the coaching was so god awful last year I am willing to make a bet( shocking I know).. I say the Sabres either make the playoffs or are with 5 pts..loser has to donate $50 to Sabre Alumni Scholarship!

 

http://www.sabresalumni.com/page.cshtml/9

 

You in?

No I am not in because I believe that we are going to be in the range that you stated. With respect to donating to charities I am at a level beyond what you can imagine. So I prefer channeling my money to my preferred causes. I'm very invested in a scholarship fund at my high school. 

 

I am upbeat on the season. However, I still believe that we are a year or so away from being a serious team. As I have repeatedly told you that I believe in the process and that we are properly on course. Need I remind you that you, not I,  are the character who is constantly in a state of despair and constant lamenting. I have more than once stated that we are on an upward trajectory. Your standard response is to snicker. :)

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4 hours ago, JohnC said:

No I am not in because I believe that we are going to be in the range that you stated. With respect to donating to charities I am at a level beyond what you can imagine. So I prefer channeling my money to my preferred causes. I'm very invested in a scholarship fund at my high school. 

 

I am upbeat on the season. However, I still believe that we are a year or so away from being a serious team. As I have repeatedly told you that I believe in the process and that we are properly on course. Need I remind you that you, not I,  are the character who is constantly in a state of despair and constant lamenting. I have more than once stated that we are on an upward trajectory. Your standard response is to snicker. :)

Are you Bill Gates????  Start paying for haircuts.  You're a f@$#ing billionaire.  Throw away the Flowbee !!!

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7 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Are you Bill Gates????  Start paying for haircuts.  You're a f@$#ing billionaire.  Throw away the Flowbee !!!

 

Does Bill Gates pay for haircuts?  How does one consistently have such horrible haircuts?!?

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I know there's a free agent log jam going on and what not, but at some point, Botterill might want to make some moves to improve this team.


Why in the world should it be any better than last year, other than maybe for a slight incremental improvement due to key players being a year older, bigger, and wiser?

 

The new coach?  That's probably a push at best.

 

This team has almost no chance of making the playoffs and the season hasn't even started yet.

 

 

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Players reported to camp today for physicals. Practices start tomorrow! 

 

Were getting close now! Preseason starts in 4 days! 

 

 

That prospect tournament got me pretty excited, seeing the style of hockey Krueger wants to play. I love teams that constantly pressure the puck/puck carrier. They are usually exciting to watch, and are consistently some of the toughest teams to play against. I’m thinking they’ll use a 2-1-2 style forecheck as their main attack in the o zone, which should be pretty fun to watch... 

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