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Would the Patriots still have been this dominant in a different division?

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3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I don't know why it is that everyone misperceives the AFC East.   The Jets and Dolphins were .500 teams against the rest of the league over the past 15 seasons, putting aside their games against the Pats.  All three teams have been regularly in the middle of the pack in the league.   So the Bills didn't fatten their record against the Jets and phins.   

 

10-6 is barely above mediocrity in most NFL seasons

 

 

 

 

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This arguments in this thread should have stopped as soon as someone pointed out that NE wins pretty much at the same rate against EVERY team in the NFL.....so unless we make them play 16 games vs the Broncos, all IN Denver......NE would be the NE we know and hate.....

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I've said this before, the Jets, Bills and Dolphins have been the primary enablers of the Patriots.  Pats usually have only about 3-4 significant games a year against other good teams. 

So 6 AFC east games, and then about 10 other games of which 6 of those are primarily against non playoff teams.  The fact the Pats can bank 5 AFC wins a year and able to skip the wildcard week and get at least 1 home game most years has been a tremendous advantage for them.   
 

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1 hour ago, dakrider said:

I've said this before, the Jets, Bills and Dolphins have been the primary enablers of the Patriots.  Pats usually have only about 3-4 significant games a year against other good teams. 

So 6 AFC east games, and then about 10 other games of which 6 of those are primarily against non playoff teams.  The fact the Pats can bank 5 AFC wins a year and able to skip the wildcard week and get at least 1 home game most years has been a tremendous advantage for them.   
 

 

 

So then explain why the Pats win percentage in the regular season against the rest of the NFL is nearly identical to the AFC east record?  If the Jets Bills, and Dolphins are the enablers - why does the AFC north have a lower win percentage against NE than the AFC east teams?

 

The facts are that outside of Denver in the AFC everyone is around 0.300 as a winning percentage against NE or worse.  Miami actually has the next best record in the AFC with 11 wins in 33 games versus Brady.  The Worst teams are the Bills, Cleveland, Baltimore, Cincinnati, and Houston with a winning percentage of around 10%.  

 

The truth is NE beats everybody - it does not matter what division or where the game is played.  You move NE to the AFC north and nothing changes - AFC south same domination. AFC west if they replace Denver - the winning percentage is nearly identical to what the AFC east sees.  Denver with a 6-7 record versus Brady in the Regular season and 3-1 in the playoffs for and overall record of 9-8 and are the only AFC team not to be Brady’s female dog.

 

Logically your argument would make sense if the Pats struggled against the rest of the AFC, but were getting home field throughout because of the AFC east teams, but they are averaging 13 wins with Brady so on average they are going 5-1 (0.833) versus the AFC east and 8-2  (0.800) versus the rest of the NFL and that is with them playing two additional AFC teams that were top seeds the year before.

 

 

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15 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

10-6 is barely above mediocrity in most NFL seasons

 

 

 

 

That's correct.  7-9 to 9-7 are all the same, all mediocre.  10-6 and 6-10 barely above and below.  11-5 and 5-11 are when you can say a team is actually good or actually bad.  

 

My point is that when you play the Pats twice in the season, 10-6 is difficult to achieve.  10-6 for the Jets, phins and Bills is like 11-5 in any other division, because you start every season with two more or less automatic losses.  It's as though those teams are looking at going 10-4 just to get to barely above mediocre, and 11-3 to be actually good.   Going 11-3 against any NFL schedule is pretty difficult.   That's 7-0 at home and 4-3 on the road.   You gotta be good to do that.  

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23 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

So then explain why the Pats win percentage in the regular season against the rest of the NFL is nearly identical to the AFC east record?  If the Jets Bills, and Dolphins are the enablers - why does the AFC north have a lower win percentage against NE than the AFC east teams?

 

The facts are that outside of Denver in the AFC everyone is around 0.300 as a winning percentage against NE or worse.  Miami actually has the next best record in the AFC with 11 wins in 33 games versus Brady.  The Worst teams are the Bills, Cleveland, Baltimore, Cincinnati, and Houston with a winning percentage of around 10%.  

 

The truth is NE beats everybody - it does not matter what division or where the game is played.  You move NE to the AFC north and nothing changes - AFC south same domination. AFC west if they replace Denver - the winning percentage is nearly identical to what the AFC east sees.  Denver with a 6-7 record versus Brady in the Regular season and 3-1 in the playoffs for and overall record of 9-8 and are the only AFC team not to be Brady’s female dog.

 

Logically your argument would make sense if the Pats struggled against the rest of the AFC, but were getting home field throughout because of the AFC east teams, but they are averaging 13 wins with Brady so on average they are going 5-1 (0.833) versus the AFC east and 8-2  (0.800) versus the rest of the NFL and that is with them playing two additional AFC teams that were top seeds the year before.

 

 

In the previous 10 years NE had a .615% against teams that made the playoffs.  Also, they played about 1 less game on a yearly basis against other teams that made the playoffs than most other playoff teams did.  The AFC East has been a launching pad for the Patriots.  

But yes, the Pats have had very good teams and obviously have beat most teams.  The Patriots haven't won Super Bowls because of the AFC East.  They've simply had an easier time getting to the SB because of being in the AFC East. 

Jets haven't been in playoffs since 2010, Dolphins have only made playoffs twice in last 17 years, and Bills only once in past 19!   

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the Pats look forward to 6 country-club soft games each year in the division

 

that has to help them stay healthy and plan a few weeks ahead for a real opponent

 

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Yes they would and any division with the Pats would have looked worse because those teama would have been absorbing all of those losses that the Bills fins and jets were. I do think, however, that the rest of the AFCE has been highly QB deficient for a ridiculously long time and it remains to be seen if any of the other teams (Bills, fins and jets) Have found the right guy. In the mean time, Brady is rightly considered one of the best, if not the single best QB ever.

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48 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

Yes they would and any division with the Pats would have looked worse because those teama would have been absorbing all of those losses that the Bills fins and jets were. I do think, however, that the rest of the AFCE has been highly QB deficient for a ridiculously long time and it remains to be seen if any of the other teams (Bills, fins and jets) Have found the right guy. In the mean time, Brady is rightly considered one of the best, if not the single best QB ever.

I love the thought of Darnold and Allen regularly battling it out for 1st place in a few years, while the Pats look up from the cellar going through one QB after another in the impossible quest to replace Brady.

 

In a way, I hate that we have been so incompetent for 2 decades and have been incapable of giving the mighty Pats any kind of challenge in that time.  But in another way, it was perfect timing to be inept.  They would have always won the division regardless.

 

Allen’s ascendency could be timed almost perfectly to coincide with Brady’s decline and inevitable retirement.

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