Cripple Creek Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Gugny said: Go listen to your K-Tel Anne Murray album. Anne Murray could teach these head bangers a thing or three about melodies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Anne Murray could teach these head bangers a thing or three about melodies. Great Canadian from the Maritimes First memories were of her on the CBC, black and white TV with eye-patched Gene MacLellan (scared the heck out of me) and Ian and Sylvia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 18 hours ago, Gugny said: Can you elaborate on the black magic sound you brought up? For one Jimmy Page bought Aleister Crowley's Boleskine mansion and they recorded there. Crowley practiced black magic there prior. Jimmy Page was heavily interested in the occult BTW Zepp still rocks. I have been listening to them 40 years, they still sound great 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Check out the live link with an orchestra I added to my post. Here’s some of my gurls.. note the mandolin. (Going to California) Nice! The blue steel Les Paul is gorgeous. I've got a Deluxe Sunburst Strat very similar to yours. We need a pic of your pedal lineup next! Edited January 11, 2019 by TheElectricCompany 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, Pete said: For one Jimmy Page bought Aleister Crowley's Boleskine mansion and they recorded there. Crowley practiced black magic there prior. Jimmy Page was heavily interested in the occult BTW Zepp still rocks. I have been listening to them 40 years, they still sound great No problem on Jimmy's side interests in that area as for the music, it's hard to prove anything of course anyone involved denies it is there and laughs it off, which is fine.... British eccentricity is a well honed lifestyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 14 hours ago, Gugny said: Nice! My son's first amp was a little 30w Line 6 (bought the amp and a Squier Vibe Series Strat for $300 out the door - that Strat sounds just as good and stays in tune better than my buddy's American Fender Strat and my Mexican). When I knew he was serious about playing, I got him a Peavey 6505+ 112 Combo, which is 60 watts all tube (LOUD). One of his Christmas presents this year was a Celestion V-30 speaker for that amp. He's a metal head. But he plays some sweet blues, too. There's weekly blues jam at a local tavern. I brought him there to jam with the big boys and he held his own. So I got him a Fender Blues Jr. - 12 inch speaker, 15w tube. That amp smokes!! Squire Strats and Celestion speakers get a lot of bad press, which I simply don’t agree with. My Squire Strat sounds perfect and keeps in tune too, and I have a double stack Celestion cabinet system I run my Travler 2000 from Earth Sound Research* amp though. Sounds fantastic! My Squire tele is a 5 string, Open G set up ala Keef. The Stones repertoire lives there. *Cool story behind the company. 2 guys -1 from Fender, 1 from Marshall created the company intent on combining the best of both amps. Hugely successful early on, they were sued into oblivion soon after by their former employers and forced to shut down. I’ll play mine til it dies. Here’s one quick story http://www.pedalhaven.com/history-earth-sound-research-amplifiers/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Squire Strats and Celestion speakers get a lot of bad press, which I simply don’t agree with. My Squire Strat sounds perfect and keeps in tune too, and I have a double stack Celestion cabinet system I run my Travler 2000 from Earth Sound Research* amp though. Sounds fantastic! My Squire tele is a 5 string, Open G set up ala Keef. The Stones repertoire lives there. *Cool story behind the company. 2 guys -1 from Fender, 1 from Marshall created the company intent on combining the best of both amps. Hugely successful early on, they sued into oblivion soon after by their former employers and forced to shut down. I’ll play mine til it dies. Here’s one quick story http://www.pedalhaven.com/history-earth-sound-research-amplifiers/ I'll check this out tonight, thanks for sharing! Sounds similar to a couple Marshall guys creating Blackstar. Re: Squiers, there are different levels, with Affinity being the lowest and the Vibe Series being the highest (which I'm sure you know). It's his first guitar and he's gotten others since; but he'll never get rid of that one! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 @TheElectricCompany, it’s currently in a retooling phase -much like the Bills.. The little black Danelecto ‘Black Coffee’ isn’t for the faint of heart.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Just now, Chandler#81 said: @TheElectricCompany, it’s currently in a retooling phase -much like the Bills.. The little black Danelecto ‘Black Coffee’ isn’t for the faint of heart.. I'll take a pic of my son's pedals. I think I see a DS-1 and a Big Muff in there. He has a nice collection of 80s silver screw Boss pedals (including the DS-1). He loves the Big Muff and uses it playing bass all the time, as well as with guitar. I am loving this thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Info Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 @Gugny & @Chandler#81 Just curious - a friend is Lindy Fralin and wondered if you (or your son) use his pickups? https://www.fralinpickups.com/ Lots of well-known guitarists have purchased his hand-wound pickups. I was with him when Derek Trucks called with a free ticket to Lockn Fest to meet with him when he was playing there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr Info said: @Gugny & @Chandler#81 Just curious - a friend is Lindy Fralin and wondered if you (or your son) use his pickups? https://www.fralinpickups.com/ Lots of well-known guitarists have purchased his hand-wound pickups. I was with him when Derek Trucks called with a free ticket to Lockn Fest to meet with him when he was playing there. My son's strat has the Fender pickups it came with. He has two Schecters, both have EMG pickups. He has one Ibanez, which has Ibanez Infiniti pickups. All but the Strat are active. That is super cool about your friend, by the way! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Mr Info said: @Gugny & @Chandler#81 Just curious - a friend is Lindy Fralin and wondered if you (or your son) use his pickups? https://www.fralinpickups.com/ Lots of well-known guitarists have purchased his hand-wound pickups. I was with him when Derek Trucks called with a free ticket to Lockn Fest to meet with him when he was playing there. I know they’re very popular and highly recommended, but no, I don’t have them. I tried all my guitars out before purchasing them to assure they fit and sound great -and many others I put back. To me, when it sounds and fits great, that’s mine, even if it immediately goes into another tuning. Fender & Gibson have the best sounds right out of the box, so I don’t mess with perfection. i have a couple Epiphones which have a softer, sweeter sound, so I don’t mess with them either. The black Epi LP is also dramatically tuned to Eflat minor. Strum the opening riff to Jumpin’ Jack Flash and you know immediately why. Edited January 11, 2019 by Chandler#81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Gugny said: Go listen to your K-Tel Anne Murray album. At least Anne Murray never had her pants sued off for stealing. more like “borrowed” zeppelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said: At least Anne Murray never had her pants sued off for stealing. more like “borrowed” zeppelin That’s quite enough outta you!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: At least Anne Murray never had her pants sued off for stealing. more like “borrowed” zeppelin Anne Murray is currently in prison for prostitution and illegally filming piss porn. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Just now, Gugny said: Anne Murray is currently in prison for prostitution and illegally filming piss porn. oh, so now you’ve crossed the line into flat out slanderous behavior looks like someone will be needing the services of @BringBackFergy Cheatum & Howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Priorities 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 The night of his car crash, a crazed fan was in the hospital waiting area beside Robert, and the fan serenaded him with a horrible rendition of The Ocean for a long time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Gugny said: Anne Murray is currently in prison for prostitution and illegally filming piss porn. when you gonna stop ducking my questions, Gugs? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) On 1/10/2019 at 12:55 PM, Seasons1992 said: The only good song on Presence is Achilles Last Stand. It's in my top 5 Zep songs. Whattttt some of the their best grooves are on presence! And that’s not including Achilles imo. Overrated song. However, Nobody’s fault but mine is an absolute stomper. For your life is heavy too. Royal Orleans, ‘oh baby babbbeehhh’ how can you not sing along to that or the part in hots for nowhere where plant goes ‘la laaa laaa la la la laaaaa yeahhhhhhh’ Edited January 11, 2019 by GETTOTHE50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Priorities What is @CountryCletus doing with all them guitars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said: Whattttt some of the their best grooves are on presence! And that’s not including Achilles imo. Overrated song. However, Nobody’s fault but mine is an absolute stomper. For your life is heavy too. Royal Orleans, ‘oh baby babbbeehhh’ how can you not sing along to that or the part in hots for nowhere where plant goes ‘la laaa laaa la la la laaaaa yeahhhhhhh’ My only criticism of Presence would be the album cover. Not a fan, they had much better, but who really cares. My only criticism of your post is the Achilles shade. Love the song, especially Bonham's devastating fills. Edited January 12, 2019 by SinceThe70s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 5 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: My only criticism of Presence would be the album cover. The 70s was weak sauce in many ways compared to the 60s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 4 hours ago, row_33 said: The 70s was weak sauce in many ways compared to the 60s. it was also superior in many ways to the 60's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Foxx said: it was also superior in many ways to the 60's. I’ll pretend I didn’t read that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Foxx said: it was also superior in many ways to the 60's. 1 hour ago, row_33 said: I’ll pretend I didn’t read that.... Musically, the 60s and the 70s were both awesome, but very different in many ways. Kind of like DLR-era Van Halen vs. Sammy-era Van Halen. All great music, but so, so different. 70s still had plenty of awesome rock. Then came disco. I openly admit that I LOVE disco music. It's fun, it's happy and the bass lines are friggin' TIGHT. The late 70s saw rock bands jumping on the disco bandwagon (as I tell my son about bands "selling out," .... gotta pay the bills!) - McCartney/Wings' "Goodnight Tonight," is a great example. Hell, even KISS jumped in with, "I Was Made for Lovin' You." Every "decade" has awesome music. I do think the 60s were far superior to the 70s, but that doesn't mean the 70s sucked, by any means. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 and what was not to love about the hair and the polyester of the 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 The album cover for Presence does indeed speak a lot about the 70s. Far from what Jagger was doing on the cover of Goats Head Soup. i will acknowledge that the creativity through acid was long gone by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Re: Presence (from wiki) The cover and inside sleeve, created by Hipgnosis with George Hardie, features images of people interacting with a black obelisk-shaped object. Inside the sleeve, the item is referred to simply as "The Object". It was intended to represent Zeppelin's "force and presence".[3][20] Hipgnosis cofounder Storm Thorgerson wrote that the obelisk represented the power of Led Zeppelin, saying they were "so powerful, they didn't need to be there".[21][22] Both Page and Plant have said that the presence of the object in the photographs made people stop and think about what is real, which reflected the music.[22] The background in the cover photograph is an artificial marina, installed in London's Earl's Court arena for the annual Boat Show, in the winter of 1974–75. The band played a series of concerts at this venue in May 1975, a few months after the boat show. The inner sleeve photographs came from various archive stock pictures, and was designed to resemble a feature in National Geographic.[23] The girl on the back cover photo is the same one that appeared on Houses of the Holy.[20] Hipgnosis and Hardie were nominated for a Grammy Award for Best Album Package in 1977.[24] Very cool trivia in the bolded text above!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Great, a manifesto on a rock album cover.... proving my point.... Thank goodness misters Rotten and Vicious showed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 21 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said: Whattttt some of the their best grooves are on presence! And that’s not including Achilles imo. Overrated song. However, Nobody’s fault but mine is an absolute stomper. For your life is heavy too. Royal Orleans, ‘oh baby babbbeehhh’ how can you not sing along to that or the part in hots for nowhere where plant goes ‘la laaa laaa la la la laaaaa yeahhhhhhh’ For your life is the most underrated Zep song in my opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 On 1/10/2019 at 11:32 PM, row_33 said: RThe descending bass riff found in Babe I’m Gonna Leave You from LZ 1 25 or 6 to 4 While My Guitar Gently Weeps has been noted as a very common pattern, but I can’t come up with another knowable song from the rock era that has used it any other songs that use it that you can think of? Dream On - Aerosmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Gugny said: Dream On - Aerosmith Will give another listen, can’t hear it in my memory of the song 25 or 6 to 4 is built on it from the first second and is my template Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Gugny said: Dream On - Aerosmith Will give another listen, can’t hear it in my memory of the song 25 or 6 to 4 is built on it from the first second and is my template in memory WMGGW was recorded first, the issue would be originality but it hasn’t been a big deal even in a music world filled with plagiarism claims Edited January 13, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 ‘nother altered state, DADGAD tuning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: ‘nother altered state, DADGAD tuning. I remember watching this for the first time, thinking, "what the hell is the Edge doing there?!?!?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 4 hours ago, row_33 said: Will give another listen, can’t hear it in my memory of the song 25 or 6 to 4 is built on it from the first second and is my template in memory WMGGW was recorded first, the issue would be originality but it hasn’t been a big deal even in a music world filled with plagiarism claims It's the bass line I'm referring to in Dream On. Should have specified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: It's the bass line I'm referring to in Dream On. Should have specified. I think I understood, I’ve heard the song a lot and never made the connection, will listen again this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 On 1/12/2019 at 12:23 PM, Gugny said: Re: Presence (from wiki) The cover and inside sleeve, created by Hipgnosis with George Hardie, features images of people interacting with a black obelisk-shaped object. Inside the sleeve, the item is referred to simply as "The Object". It was intended to represent Zeppelin's "force and presence".[3][20] Hipgnosis cofounder Storm Thorgerson wrote that the obelisk represented the power of Led Zeppelin, saying they were "so powerful, they didn't need to be there".[21][22] Both Page and Plant have said that the presence of the object in the photographs made people stop and think about what is real, which reflected the music.[22] The background in the cover photograph is an artificial marina, installed in London's Earl's Court arena for the annual Boat Show, in the winter of 1974–75. The band played a series of concerts at this venue in May 1975, a few months after the boat show. The inner sleeve photographs came from various archive stock pictures, and was designed to resemble a feature in National Geographic.[23] The girl on the back cover photo is the same one that appeared on Houses of the Holy.[20] Hipgnosis and Hardie were nominated for a Grammy Award for Best Album Package in 1977.[24] Very cool trivia in the bolded text above!! If the intent was to represent Zeppelin's "force and presence" it missed the mark for me. I'm reminded of a quote from Spinal Tap: I think that the problem may have been, that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf. Alright? That tended to understate the hugeness of the object Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: If the intent was to represent Zeppelin's "force and presence" it missed the mark for me. I'm reminded of a quote from Spinal Tap: I think that the problem may have been, that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf. Alright? That tended to understate the hugeness of the object Can I ask a practical question at this point? Are we gonna do Stonehenge tomorrow night? Edited January 13, 2019 by row_33 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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