PromoTheRobot Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: You have freedom now. If legalized in New York it will still have state and local restrictions just like alcohol and tobacco. If you can't stroll through a local park with a lit Marlboro or open Coors you can bet you can't walk through with a lit fattie, either. Some municipalities require that beer be consumed away from the street side of a home so imagine pot will fall under the same type of restriction. So you have the basic freedoms that you enjoy now in that the cops can't randomly go to the back side of your property or inside your home for illegal drugs. For most people legalization is not going to change much as the hippy couple just outside of town is going to undercut Walgreen's, etc. to keep their business. Probably the hippy wife is more interesting than the fat woman behind the counter at Walgreen's. Portugal is not exactly a ringing endorsement for drug legalization. How so? From what I've read they have reduced usage of dangerous drugs significantly by offering medical care instead of jail time to addicts. "Portugal’s radical drugs policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it?" https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Edited December 18, 2018 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: How so? From what I've read they have reduced usage of dangerous drugs significantly by offering medical care instead of jail time to addicts. Portugal is the bottom rung on the ladder in Europe for overall advancement of their people. Get back to me when Britain or Germany institute similar programs. To me Portugal is the guy in the run down trailer on the edge of town that you never go to for any kind of advice because its obvious he does not have his own life squared away. Britain or Germany would be like going to the guy who has it all and his name never makes the paper for any negative news. Maybe you see my point and maybe you don't. 1 hour ago, snafu said: Not trying to make a slippery slope here, but based on this, why not legalize/regulate/tax cocaine? You know that there are people waiting to make that argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Portugal is the bottom rung on the ladder in Europe for overall advancement of their people. Get back to me when Britain or Germany institute similar programs. To me Portugal is the guy in the run down trailer on the edge of town that you never go to for any kind of advice because its obvious he does not have his own life squared away. Britain or Germany would be like going to the guy who has it all and his name never makes the paper for any negative news. Maybe you see my point and maybe you don't. But what does that have to do with their drug policy? You are making quite the leap connecting that with your opinion of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: But what does that have to do with their drug policy? You are making quite the leap connecting that with your opinion of the country. It's all about judgment. Overall success in running a country breeds trust and I see very little in Portugal that breeds my trust. I am not going to endlessly preach at you about it because I think we are different in our views on matters such as widespread drug use and it is not going to change today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 26 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: How so? From what I've read they have reduced usage of dangerous drugs significantly by offering medical care instead of jail time to addicts. That is subject to accuracy of any study. What is the rate of relapse? Do all drug offenders regardless of type of drug have the option of medical care? How many "strikes" in a program before they are "out." How old is the program to know how it affects drug users of various ages? How long do users have to be studied to identify a trend? What associated programs go with treatment? Are they required to hold a job or do they live off of government assistance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 51 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: You have freedom now. If legalized in New York it will still have state and local restrictions just like alcohol and tobacco. If you can't stroll through a local park with a lit Marlboro or open Coors you can bet you can't walk through with a lit fattie, either. Some municipalities require that beer be consumed away from the street side of a home so imagine pot will fall under the same type of restriction. So you have the basic freedoms that you enjoy now in that the cops can't randomly go to the back side of your property or inside your home for illegal drugs. For most people legalization is not going to change much as the hippy couple just outside of town is going to undercut Walgreen's, etc. to keep their business. Probably the hippy wife is more interesting than the fat woman behind the counter at Walgreen's. Prohibition is stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Prohibition is stupid We are going to find out what is stupid as more states legalize pot. Maybe the fears are way overblown and maybe unforeseen problems come to the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, RochesterRob said: We are going to find out what is stupid as more states legalize pot. Maybe the fears are way overblown and maybe unforeseen problems come to the surface. Like with everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Portugal is slightly smaller than Pennsylvania with about a million fewer people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, Wacka said: Portugal is slightly smaller than Pennsylvania with about a million fewer people. And it has a fraction of the accomplishments of PA. It's been all down hill there since Vasco DaGama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) It drives me nuts regarding this whole legalization thing. I get the feeling and it's probably pretty accurate that the main reason they want to legalize it has very little to do with our freedoms or penal system and a lot to do with another revenue stream for the government. One of these days I want to total up all the dollars I spend each year in taxes and governmental regulatory fees. I'm pretty sure it is a massive amount of money and the depression I'd feel after doing so would probably not be good for me. Edited December 18, 2018 by Chef Jim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 27 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: It drives me nuts regarding this whole legalization thing. I get the feeling and it's probably pretty accurate that the main reason they want to legalize it has very little to do with our freedoms or penal system and a lot to do with another revenue stream for the government. One of these days I want to total up all the dollars I spend each year in taxes and governmental regulatory fees. I'm pretty sure it is a massive amount of money and the depression I'd feel after doing so would probably not be good for me. Just smoke a little weed and all is well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I wonder what the world would be liked if potheads cared as much about others as they do about getting themselves high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tiberius said: And hurt the Drug cartels business? What would the DEA have to do then? Become border agents? 1 hour ago, RochesterRob said: We are going to find out what is stupid as more states legalize pot. Maybe the fears are way overblown and maybe unforeseen problems come to the surface. REEFER MADNESS (all over again) 12 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: I wonder what the world would be liked if potheads cared as much about others as they do about getting themselves high. SMH... So little you know. Potheads are typically very kind and sharing. Their motto - Don't Bogart That Joint Edited December 18, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Become border agents? REEFER MADNESS (all over again) Funny with all the talk of Reefer Madness as a kid that approach was never tried in a school assembly where they expressly lectured about social responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Some people just feel like losers--obviously--because they are losing another public policy debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Here are some girls that partied pretty hard 4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Funny with all the talk of Reefer Madness as a kid that approach was never tried in a school assembly where they expressly lectured about social responsibility. Because the kids would laugh at it for its absurdity. 14 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Don't point fingers if you use tobacco or drink alcohol. Also, way to disparage people by calling them addicts. Shows how little you understand about the subject. Amen Promo Queue the Wizard of Oz music if I only had a brain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Become border agents? REEFER MADNESS (all over again) SMH... So little you know. Potheads are typically very kind and sharing. Their motto - Don't Bogart That Joint I've found potheads to be rather miserable if they can't partake for an extended period of time such as an 8 hour shift at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Become border agents? REEFER MADNESS (all over again) SMH... So little you know. Potheads are typically very kind and sharing. Their motto - Don't Bogart That Joint And if they spent the energy making up lies about CBD oil and the passion they have to legalize the ***** on something fruitful for humanity than we would be better off. They're ***** who need to stay off my lawn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Here are some girls that partied pretty hard Because the kids would laugh at it for its absurdity. But you're the one implying that Reefer Madness is some kind of present day counter approach to legalization. Edited December 18, 2018 by RochesterRob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 32 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Some people just feel like losers--obviously--because they are losing another public policy debate. So do you get pot smoking breaks at the Soros cubicle farm? You seem rather edgy as though it has been a while. I heard Soros mixes in a little dried cow manure for you guys to enjoy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 5 hours ago, Tiberius said: And hurt the Drug cartels business? What would the DEA have to do then? Buy from the cartel -- call a "truce" in the War on Drugs. Convert the DEA into the agency that imports, regulates, distributes and taxes the cocaine. 5 hours ago, SWATeam said: Cocaine kills people So does alcohol. 4 hours ago, RochesterRob said: You know that there are people waiting to make that argument. See below ... 4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: On a side note, all drugs are "legal" to possess in Portugal. But distribution is illegal. The concept was to make drugs a health issue instead of a criminal one. It's actually been very successful. As to your comment, some drugs are more dangerous than others. But it's also true some drugs on Schedule 1 can have medicinal value but can't be fully studied because they are on Schedule 1. (I refer to psychedelics which are showing promise in the treatment of PTSD and other mental health issues.) It might be worth reclassifying some drugs to allow study, not neccessarily legalizing them. As for pot, it's been in wide use for almost 100 years. It's relatively benign, although like any substance, it can be abused. But we tolerate the abuse of many things that have negative consequences far worse than pot because those things are "legal." The illegality of marijuana is mainly due to racial and political factors, not from any supposed harm it causes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 40 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: So do you get pot smoking breaks at the Soros cubicle farm? You seem rather edgy as though it has been a while. I heard Soros mixes in a little dried cow manure for you guys to enjoy. Some people just feel like losers--obviously--because they are losing another public policy debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Finally we can smock it legally 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, peace out said: Finally we can smock it legally Umh, I hate to say it but if you are in NY like a lot of Bills fans then it is still not legal for recreational use as of today. Cuomo still has to get state assembly and state senate aboard to formally get the process going. I'm guessing that even if it is approved early next year the opening "date" will be much later to work out details. 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Some people just feel like losers--obviously--because they are losing another public policy debate. I have a feeling that this "debate" could out live us all on a national level if a lot of unintended things happen in states that legalize it. Could be the mirror opposite of alcohol in terms of legal, illegal, and then legal again. Time will tell. And once your shift is done at the Soros cubicle farm you can toke all the weed/cow manure you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Umh, I hate to say it but if you are in NY like a lot of Bills fans then it is still not legal for recreational use as of today. Cuomo still has to get state assembly and state senate aboard to formally get the process going. I'm guessing that even if it is approved early next year the opening "date" will be much later to work out details. I have a feeling that this "debate" could out live us all on a national level if a lot of unintended things happen in states that legalize it. Could be the mirror opposite of alcohol in terms of legal, illegal, and then legal again. Time will tell. And once your shift is done at the Soros cubicle farm you can toke all the weed/cow manure you want. Thanks for you "feelings" on the subject. fart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Thanks for you "feelings" on the subject. fart Come on, now. You are not happy if you have not tangled with a few right leaning posters every day. Admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: Come on, now. You are not happy if you have not tangled with a few right leaning posters every day. Admit it. I admit it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 hours ago, RochesterRob said: Funny with all the talk of Reefer Madness as a kid that approach was never tried in a school assembly where they expressly lectured about social responsibility. Reefer Madness wasn't a documentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Good for NY, I think that while legal weed is far from all positives no negatives the positives far outweight the negatives. On the positive side of things you take away money from cartels, you bring in much more tax revenue, you create legitimate jobs, you save tax payer money not enforcing petty drug laws against adults, you keep people out of the criminal justice system, you help the opiod epidemic by offering alternatives to people. and you in the long term don't see increased drug use. There are some negatives, use among teens goes up at least in a 5-10 year period before normalizing and some studies say DUI's go up moderately. But overall I think its much better to handle the negatives of legalization than to continue with the massive negatives of prohibition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 hours ago, RochesterRob said: I've found potheads to be rather miserable if they can't partake for an extended period of time such as an 8 hour shift at work. You need to meet other potheads, like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: You need to meet other potheads, like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk. "You need to meet the extreme outliers, not the vast majority of potheads who are too stoned out of their minds to hold a coherent conversation." Again: the single biggest argument against the legalization of pot is the ineffable dopiness of the stoners arguing for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: "You need to meet the extreme outliers, not the vast majority of potheads who are too stoned out of their minds to hold a coherent conversation." Again: the single biggest argument against the legalization of pot is the ineffable dopiness of the stoners arguing for it. Okay. All stoners are losers. Gotcha. Now excuse me I'm late for my martini. Edited December 18, 2018 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: Okay. All stoners are losers. Gotcha. Now excuse me I'm late for my martini. No, just idiots. And I don't drink...so I'll absolutely cast that first mother*****ing stone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Become border agents? REEFER MADNESS (all over again) Watched this on Netflix a few years back. It's pretty damn funny, especially at the end when he points to the camera to scare the audience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 37 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Reefer Madness wasn't a documentary. Most of the stuff shown at school assemblies were not documentaries so I am not sure as to your point on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: "One MOMENT of BLISS - A LIFETIME of REGRET!" Also applies to sex, and Bills fandom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, RochesterRob said: Most of the stuff shown at school assemblies were not documentaries so I am not sure as to your point on this. Maybe I misread your post but I thought you were citing Reefer Madness as drug education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 3 hours ago, DC Tom said: "One MOMENT of BLISS - A LIFETIME of REGRET!" Also applies to sex, and Bills fandom. And marriage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 22 hours ago, Boyst62 said: And if they spent the energy making up lies about CBD oil and the passion they have to legalize the ***** on something fruitful for humanity than we would be better off. They're ***** who need to stay off my lawn. I have no clue what this millennial crap they call CBD oil is. But I can say that I had smoked "hash oil" back in the 80's. People can mock pot smokers all they want. If you post out of ignorance of what it actually does ..... welp you have to ask ... who's the dumb one. I smoked like a fiend in HS when I was running Track and Cross Country and I was on the All Star team. I worked my way up to become an Engineer and now the work that I do services millions if not billions of people on Earth. (Satellite Communications) Hell, I also was part of a start up company to build up High Speed Fiber Optic platforms (that Nortel acquired) that you use daily to post on the internet and look at the Would Ya women and more. You're welcome. 22 hours ago, RochesterRob said: But you're the one implying that Reefer Madness is some kind of present day counter approach to legalization. What I am implying is that people have been ostracizing pot for well over 60 years. and they are still wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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