Watkins90 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Throw the ball to Hill!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Anyone else getting the feeling that Joe Buck doesn't care for Mahomes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: You know...I've seen mahomes turn his back to the defense five times so far this game. Wonder where the people are who criticize Allen for doing the same? It’s pretty tough to argue with anything Mahomes is doing right about now, no matter how unorthodox it may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: Anyone else getting the feeling that Joe Buck doesn't care for Mahomes? He's from stnlouis he hates everything kansas city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Troy Aikman: This Chiefs defense is a tough group and they are no match for the Kansas City Chiefs. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Well, this one's over. Peace! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) As long as hill gets nothing, I grabbed Williams so my opponent, who has Gordon which he needed to switch out, couldnt get. Edited December 14, 2018 by Boca BIlls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 39 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Which team starts the worst runningback The one with the RB from Northwestern. NW is a well coached, successful team but they are slow and don’t typically breed nfl players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: You know...I've seen mahomes turn his back to the defense five times so far this game. Wonder where the people are who criticize Allen for doing the same? Probably because he has 40 more td passes than Allen. If Allen had half as many touchdown passes, no one would be criticizing him. I feel a little bad for Allen. This trade is going to put an insane amount of pressure on him. We traded the best QB in the nfl. It’s insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: He is. Granted, I saw more of Watson’s games than Mahomes but just trusted what I saw out of him more. I hope the Bills decision pans out, but the arrow is definitely pointing toward a Watson/ Mahomes selection in that spot. You are aware that when the Bills passed on Mahomes they probably hadn't even heard of Allen? Ditto for Watson. I find this whole "oh I wish we drafted Mahomes" to be weird. I'm sure several other teams wish they'd take him to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, CincyBillsFan said: You are aware that when the Bills passed on Mahomes they probably hadn't even heard of Allen? Ditto for Watson. I find this whole "oh I wish we drafted Mahomes" to be weird. I'm sure several other teams wish they'd take him to. You have to be kidding here. NFL College scouts including the Bills knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Well, this one's over. Peace! You're just finding another reason to go to bed before 9:00, wuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: You are aware that when the Bills passed on Mahomes they probably hadn't even heard of Allen? Ditto for Watson. I find this whole "oh I wish we drafted Mahomes" to be weird. I'm sure several other teams wish they'd take him to. But it was tye Bills trade that made it happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: You have to be kidding here. NFL College scouts including the Bills knew. No one, Andy Reid included, knew THIS was going to be the outcome. And if you insist they did, you're a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Probably because he has 40 more td passes than Allen. If Allen had half as many touchdown passes, no one would be criticizing him. I feel a little bad for Allen. This trade is going to put an insane amount of pressure on him. We traded the best QB in the nfl. It’s insane. Why would it put any pressure on Allen? The trade had nothing to do with Allen and everything to do with Tyrod. Wasn't the reason the Bills wern't interested in a QB in the 2017 draft because they thought Tyrod was good enough? This desire to compare Allen and Mahomes is weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: You have to be kidding here. NFL College scouts including the Bills knew. Yeah. Part of the reason the Bills passed on qbs in that draft was because this year’s qb draft was so good. Long way to go but man, the supposedly weak 2017 QBs look far superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: You are aware that when the Bills passed on Mahomes they probably hadn't even heard of Allen? Ditto for Watson. I find this whole "oh I wish we drafted Mahomes" to be weird. I'm sure several other teams wish they'd take him to. Of course there are, but we are Bills fans, and our team traded the pick to KC that landed Mahomes. There’s nothing weird about it. The two are forever linked, any other teams fans it’s just wishful thinking. Yes, other teams passed on him too, but they mostly had QBs already. QBs that had taken their team to the playoffs and even the SuperBowl. They have a bit more of a reason than the QB needy Bills. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) Credit Andy Reid he saw it Edited December 14, 2018 by Chris66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 As for the game, clearly Mahomes is a top 3 QB in the NFL. The guy makes plays. But let's not forget that he has an elite offensive line as evidenced on that last screen pass that went for a TD. Did you see how well that was blocked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: No one, Andy Reid included, knew THIS was going to be the outcome. And if you insist they did, you're a fool. Right. One of the best qb coaches in modern nfl history, who had a very solid veteran qb for an annual playoff team, and traded a bunch of picks to take Mahomes instead of getting a player to help his current team, didn’t know he was a great prospect! Just now, CincyBillsFan said: As for the game, clearly Mahomes is a top 3 QB in the NFL. The guy makes plays. But let's not forget that he has an elite offensive line as evidenced on that last screen pass that went for a TD. Did you see how well that was blocked! Let’s not forget he also lost his star rb and number 2 receiver. Dude is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: No one, Andy Reid included, knew THIS was going to be the outcome. And if you insist they did, you're a fool. That wasn't the point EDO. Pay attention if you are capable of doing that. Never mind. Just read his quote below since your comprehesnion is low per the norm. 6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: You are aware that when the Bills passed on Mahomes they probably hadn't even heard of Allen? Ditto for Watson. I find this whole "oh I wish we drafted Mahomes" to be weird. I'm sure several other teams wish they'd take him to. Edited December 14, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Right. One of the best qb coaches in modern nfl history, who had a very solid veteran qb for an annual playoff team, and traded a bunch of picks to take Mahomes instead of getting a player to help his current team, didn’t know he was a great prospect! OK, buddy. You have a good night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Why would it put any pressure on Allen? The trade had nothing to do with Allen and everything to do with Tyrod. Wasn't the reason the Bills wern't interested in a QB in the 2017 draft because they thought Tyrod was good enough? This desire to compare Allen and Mahomes is weird. No, they didn’t think Tyrod was good enough and wanted him to take a big pay cut. They passed because of their screwed up management , going into the draft with a new HC and a lame duck GM that should have been fired already. Anyway, it’s old news. You are correct that it doesn’t put any pressure on Allen, though. He just has to win, not match stats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Why would it put any pressure on Allen? The trade had nothing to do with Allen and everything to do with Tyrod. Wasn't the reason the Bills wern't interested in a QB in the 2017 draft because they thought Tyrod was good enough? This desire to compare Allen and Mahomes is weird. Of course it does. The trade was Mahomes for Tre White and Josh Allen. Would anyone besides Bills fans think that was a good trade? Allen needs to be a franchise level qb at worst for it not to be an awful trade. And that’s with White being an awesome cb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commsvet11 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: No one, Andy Reid included, knew THIS was going to be the outcome. And if you insist they did, you're a fool. You have to be pretty sure about a prospect to swap a 1st and spend a 1st and 3rd on a player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: OK, buddy. You have a good night. You too pal. ?. Dream of the process!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, Commsvet11 said: You have to be pretty sure about a prospect to swap a 1st and spend a 1st and 3rd on a player. Ask yourself this simple question: If Mahomes was projected to have 48 TDs in his first full season, do you think he'd have lasted to the point he did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You have to be kidding here. NFL College scouts including the Bills knew. Do you think that at the time of the NFL draft in 2017 Allen was high on the Bills radar or that they were planning to take him with the 7th pick in the 2018 draft. My point was that the Bills did not pass on Mahomes becasue Allen MIGHT be available in 2018. And I stand by that point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Lol at all the Mahomes hindsight stuff...he was literally the guy most this board did NOT want to take. He was the “Allen” of that draft in terms of mechanics issues, raw, needs to be groomed and sit. There were some here on the Mahomes train, but most people didn’t want him in the first round. I was one that didn’t like the idea of taking a QB with mechanics issues with the 10th pick. I would have been fine taking Mahomes in a trade down or in the 2nd, but I preferred Watson if we took a QB at 10. It’s not all bad though...If Allen turns out to be great too, then the trade will have worked out nicely with Tre and Allen. Mahomes trade will linger until we know what we really have in Allen. I’m pretty optimistic about Allen though, so I’m not worried. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Absolutely horrible call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, Boatdrinks said: Absolutely horrible call It was indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 He was OB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Lol at all the Mahomes hindsight stuff...he was literally the guy most this board did NOT want to take. He was the “Allen” of that draft in terms of mechanics issues, raw, needs to be groomed and sit. There were some here on the Mahomes train, but most people didn’t want him in the first round. I was one that didn’t like the idea of taking a QB with mechanics issues with the 10th pick. I would have been fine taking Mahomes in a trade down or in the 2nd, but I preferred Watson if we took a QB at 10. It’s not all bad though...If Allen turns out to be great too, then the trade will have worked out nicely with Tre and Allen. Mahomes trade will linger until we know what we really have in Allen. I’m pretty optimistic about Allen though, so I’m not worried. It's just football virtue-signalling. "I knew he'd be awesome all along!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Ask yourself this simple question: If Mahomes was projected to have 48 TDs in his first full season, do you think he'd have lasted to the point he did? He had 53 tds his last year in college. And do the whole point of the draft is projection. Did the Bills draft Allen thinking he would be the 57% passer in the Mountain West or that he would grow into something greater? the major difference is the Chiefs has Andy Reid draft a qb and we had juiced up Ron Howard do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: He had 53 tds his last year in college. In the Big 12. Where defense isn't even played, ever. Come on man, try not to be completely saccharine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Do you think that at the time of the NFL draft in 2017 Allen was high on the Bills radar or that they were planning to take him with the 7th pick in the 2018 draft. My point was that the Bills did not pass on Mahomes becasue Allen MIGHT be available in 2018. And I stand by that point. That's silly. Allen was trending toward being the number 1 pick in the draft then. There's no way the Bills could have been confident they could get him. Edited December 14, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Lol at all the Mahomes hindsight stuff...he was literally the guy most this board did NOT want to take. He was the “Allen” of that draft in terms of mechanics issues, raw, needs to be groomed and sit. There were some here on the Mahomes train, but most people didn’t want him in the first round. I was one that didn’t like the idea of taking a QB with mechanics issues with the 10th pick. I would have been fine taking Mahomes in a trade down or in the 2nd, but I preferred Watson if we took a QB at 10. It’s not all bad though...If Allen turns out to be great too, then the trade will have worked out nicely with Tre and Allen. Mahomes trade will linger until we know what we really have in Allen. I’m pretty optimistic about Allen though, so I’m not worried. Well, I love someone to find that draft thread. I loved both Watson and Mahomes and want as big of a fan of Mitchell. I agree there here were some of the questions with mechanics like Allen. But he had the production and elite skills. Allen has the skills but was far from dominant, which a top guy at Wyoming should be. But long way way to go. Feel free to bump this when Allen is having a MVP season next year. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Of course it does. The trade was Mahomes for Tre White and Josh Allen. Would anyone besides Bills fans think that was a good trade? Allen needs to be a franchise level qb at worst for it not to be an awful trade. And that’s with White being an awesome cb. No it wasn't. When Mahommes was drafted we didn't even know Allen was coming out for the 2018 draft. Had Allen not impressed the Bills prior to the draft we would have taken Josh Rosen or maybe dealt up to grab Darnold. Again, the ONLY Bills QB you can compare Mahomes to is Tyrod. Because if the bills were not satisfied with Tyrod at that time then they may have taken Mahommes or Watson. Now if you want to criticize the Bills front office & caches for not appreciating how great Mahommes was going to be, go for it. Andy Reid deserves all the credit in the world for spotting this diamond in the rough. But it has NOTHING to do with Josh Allen today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commsvet11 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Ask yourself this simple question: If Mahomes was projected to have 48 TDs in his first full season, do you think he'd have lasted to the point he did? There would be no way to tell the exact numbers but due to the draft capital the chiefs spent they had to have an idea and they didn’t even need a QB that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: No, they didn’t think Tyrod was good enough and wanted him to take a big pay cut. They passed because of their screwed up management , going into the draft with a new HC and a lame duck GM that should have been fired already. Anyway, it’s old news. You are correct that it doesn’t put any pressure on Allen, though. He just has to win, not match stats. Exactly right. Sure blame the Bills management for this, though it doesn't change a thing, because no matter how much we wish Mahomes played for the Bills, he never will. More importantly, Allen is not part of this discussion. The Bills did not choose Allen over Mahommes. They choose Allen over Rosen & Jackson and if either of these two start playing like Mahommes then Bills fans can B word & moan. Right now it just strikes me as a weird obsession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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