Chef Jim Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Geez people! Teachers and counselors are REQUIRED to pass this sort of information and concern on to an administrator. That’s not debatable. They’re not required to call the parents but are required to inform a school official or social service worker who is TRAINED in how to handle these topics. For the one millionth time…..classroom teachers are NOT marriage/family therapists or social workers. They are not required to tell the parents bur this Bull was designed to make sure there are no procedures put in place that state we will NOT inform the parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: They are not required to tell the parents bur this Bull was designed to make sure there are no procedures put in place that state we will NOT inform the parents. This is a really sensitive issue Chef. As I’ve previously stated, my wife is a TRAINED professional in this area. There are times when telling the parents can actually be a real problem. Not everyone goes home to a loving family. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Just now, SoCal Deek said: This is a really sensitive issue Chef. As I’ve previously stated, my wife is a TRAINED professional in this area. There are times when telling the parents can actually be a real problem. Not everyone goes home to a loving family. The Bill just makes sure there will be no procedures where the parents should NOT be involved. As a parent would you like to be left in the dark regarding the mental health of your child and how complete strangers were going to handle it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: The Bill just makes sure there will be no procedures where the parents should NOT be involved. As a parent would you like to be left in the dark regarding the mental health of your child and how complete strangers were going to handle it? Please re-read my post. Not every parent is you and me. There are ALL SORTS of circumstances when parents are actually the cause of the problem (cutting, abuse, molestation, malnutrition, drugs, etc) and sometimes those parents can and do endanger their own children. My point all along is that these complex family issues need to be handled by TRAINED professionals. Teachers have ZERO training in these matters and honestly, they shouldn’t want to be trained. There are professionals who know what they’re doing in these matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Please re-read my post. Not every parent is you and me. There are ALL SORTS of circumstances when parents are actually the cause of the problem (cutting, abuse, molestation, malnutrition, drugs, etc) and sometimes those parents can and do endanger their own children. My point all along is that these complex family issues need to be handled by TRAINED professionals. Teachers have ZERO training in these matters and honestly, they shouldn’t want to be trained. There are professionals who know what they’re doing in these matters. A child comes to a teacher with signs of physical abuse is not what is at the heart of this matter. It’s psychological issues. Regardless the parent needs to always be kept in the loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: A child comes to a teacher with signs of physical abuse is not what is at the heart of this matter. It’s psychological issues. Regardless the parent needs to always be kept in the loop. The teacher is required to inform an administrator. They have programs in place for these sort of circumstances. It’s not anywhere near as rare as you might think. If you could spend one day job shadowing my wife at work you’d be utterly shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Please re-read my post. Not every parent is you and me. There are ALL SORTS of circumstances when parents are actually the cause of the problem (cutting, abuse, molestation, malnutrition, drugs, etc) and sometimes those parents can and do endanger their own children. My point all along is that these complex family issues need to be handled by TRAINED professionals. Teachers have ZERO training in these matters and honestly, they shouldn’t want to be trained. There are professionals who know what they’re doing in these matters. There is no training that can repair the damage that bad parents do to kids. The biggest problem is that currently in Orange County FL we have a policy that parents are on a need to know basis, literally as teachers we can be fired if we tell a parent their child is trans but the student does not want them to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 19 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: There is no training that can repair the damage that bad parents do to kids. The biggest problem is that currently in Orange County FL we have a policy that parents are on a need to know basis, literally as teachers we can be fired if we tell a parent their child is trans but the student does not want them to know. I appreciate the difficult spot that puts you in. I really do. But…it’s not your job as a teacher to get involved in any of this. Just report your concerns to an administrator and get back to teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 42 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I appreciate the difficult spot that puts you in. I really do. But…it’s not your job as a teacher to get involved in any of this. Just report your concerns to an administrator and get back to teaching. I teach in my community, what do I do if I know the parent? Do you actually think an administrator is better suited to handle this than the parents because of some training? You are being honest, which I appreciate, but to assume the parents are not the best to handle it is damaging to the child unless there is a good reason to believe the parents are the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I teach in my community, what do I do if I know the parent? Do you actually think an administrator is better suited to handle this than the parents because of some training? You are being honest, which I appreciate, but to assume the parents are not the best to handle it is damaging to the child unless there is a good reason to believe the parents are the problem You’re not getting the point of my comment or the law. There’s a protocol to followed here and should be followed no matter how much you think you know about the parents. Now…I’m not saying the parents should not be in the loop…but the classroom teacher is not the first line of communication nor should the classroom teacher be espousing his or her opinion on this or a whole host of topics to their students. It’s not the LEAST bit complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 24 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You’re not getting the point of my comment or the law. There’s a protocol to followed here and should be followed no matter how much you think you know about the parents. Now…I’m not saying the parents should not be in the loop…but the classroom teacher is not the first line of communication nor should the classroom teacher be espousing his or her opinion on this or a whole host of topics to their students. It’s not the LEAST bit complicated. I am not missing what you are saying- the parents are intentionally kept out of the loop here and in the majority of large districts. Your comment that parents should be in the loop is the opposite of of our policy. We agree that teachers should not be espousing their beliefs but that is not my point at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I am not missing what you are saying- the parents are intentionally kept out of the loop here and in the majority of large districts. Your comment that parents should be in the loop is the opposite of of our policy. We agree that teachers should not be espousing their beliefs but that is not my point at all. We’ve definitely found some common ground. I’m no expert on the Florida law but I’m pretty darn sure it’s not the boogie man that it’s being made out to be. Teachers (of which I’m sure you’re a good one) need to stick to the curriculum. They have no expertise whatsoever in these matters…even if they have the best of intentions at heart. Period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: We’ve definitely found some common ground. I’m no expert on the Florida law but I’m pretty darn sure it’s not the boogie man that it’s being made out to be. Teachers (of which I’m sure you’re a good one) need to stick to the curriculum. They have no expertise whatsoever in these matters…even if they have the best of intentions at heart. Period. I am not sure where we got our lines crossed but I am glad the law is being passed. I want more parental involvement and less requirements we pretend little kids can understand what is happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I am not missing what you are saying- the parents are intentionally kept out of the loop here and in the majority of large districts. Your comment that parents should be in the loop is the opposite of of our policy. We agree that teachers should not be espousing their beliefs but that is not my point at all. Hence the need for the FL Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Little discussed fact on why the "Don't indoctrinate our kids" bill is important..... ZERO Teachers are qualified to "teach" this stuff. The bill protects them from teaching content that isn't.....content.. In addition to it being sane, supporters of the law should mention this. Then watch the loon teachers come out with more videos to show us how they "teach" the LGBTQXIILCXXX curriculum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Parents are being involved less and less in their kids' schooling these days. And the results have been continuing to get worse and worse. Maybe things need to change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Parents are being involved less and less in their kids' schooling these days. And the results have been continuing to get worse and worse. Maybe things need to change? Neither of my kids have spent a single nanosecond in public school. It's a friggin mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said: Neither of my kids have spent a single nanosecond in public school. It's a friggin mess. Both my boys went to public school. Did fine. Had the typical liberal teachers but my older son was able to deftly handle them. The other was more quiet and just TCB. To each his own but in both cases, we were heavily involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Lolol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 27 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Lolol Fire them both…immediately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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