LeVeon Bell: What better fit for him than Buffalo?

[peterpan]

Id rather have Connors. 

9 hours ago, mannc said:

They don’t want a guy who’s good for 1300 yards rushing and 700 yards receiving?  I mean, I think people are underestimating what Bell brings to the table.

But this is a guy who is really good in pass protection and will get you 700 yards receiving, on top of at least 1200 yards rushing—exactly the kind of safety blanket JA needs.

Bells no-name replacement is out producing him this season, fwiw. RBs are easily replaceable. 

[mead107]

Cut shady 

[Chicken Boo]

9 hours ago, mannc said:

They don’t want a guy who’s good for 1300 yards rushing and 700 yards receiving?  I mean, I think people are underestimating what Bell brings to the table.

But this is a guy who is really good in pass protection and will get you 700 yards receiving, on top of at least 1200 yards rushing—exactly the kind of safety blanket JA needs.

 

I'd love to have Bell, but there's little to no chance of that happening.  This regime is not going to pay what it would take to get LeVeon under contract.

14 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Id rather have Connors. 

Bells no-name replacement is out producing him this season, fwiw. RBs are easily replaceable. 

 

Conner is having a good season.  He is NOT Leveon Bell.  He has to produce these numbers for multiple seasons to be at that level.

Edited November 27, 2018 by Chicken Boo

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2 hours ago, Tcali said:

take away the money factor and yes he is a perfect fit. but a RB cant get great DE or QB money.

Look how much Sammy Watkins got, you wouldn't pay LeVeon Bell that? I would. Bell would probably match Sammy's receiving yards while rushing for another 1,100.

[BillsMafia13]

13 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Dude it's going to be so damn hard to spend money.. like name me all the likely top FAs. It's hella dumb to go into the season 50M under the CAP like we're choosing to be a poor team in a baseball league instead of having the same New York Yankees payroll anybody else has.

 

Like who cares if we tie up a 3 year insane salary for a punter if we end up with too much money to even spend next few years.

 

If we're at that point give Bell a 2 year 50M guaranteed contract. Spend as much money as possible so long as we're mindful of upcoming re-signings when considering contract length.

 

We got 90M to spend on this lot: all DTs and LBs. Bell is the only offensive player, and other teams are in similar positions. Free agency is going to. Suck... Overpay for Bell lol why on Earth not.

You can roll over a certain percentage I believe and spending money just to spend money is worse than the situation were in now with all the dead cap.  Especially if its for a rb who wants to get paid like a top WR who could sit out, get suspended, or injured in an instant.  Throwing money at it wont solve our problems

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12 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Yep - except for the multiple extensions Pittsburgh offered him at 14+ million for the next 3 years and the 4 year extension they offered him last year at over 12 million a season.  Both deals would have made him the highest paid RB in the league at that time.

 

He wanted more - he wants to be paid as a high end WR at over 16+ million. 

If I recall, the contracts offered did not include as much guaranteed money as most other big ticket contracts. They basically offered a contract they knew wouldn't meet his demands.

[BillsMafia13]

10 hours ago, mannc said:

They don’t want a guy who’s good for 1300 yards rushing and 700 yards receiving?  I mean, I think people are underestimating what Bell brings to the table.

But this is a guy who is really good in pass protection and will get you 700 yards receiving, on top of at least 1200 yards rushing—exactly the kind of safety blanket JA needs.

James Conner is putting up those numbers if not better for a fraction of the price.  Seems everyone is overestimating his value, unless James Conner is the next best RB in the league.  Btw Bell wants 50% more than the next most expensive rb in the league.  How can people support this

52 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

Look how much Sammy Watkins got, you wouldn't pay LeVeon Bell that? I would. Bell would probably match Sammy's receiving yards while rushing for another 1,100.

Sammy's awful contract is completely unrelated to Bell and its not fair tie them together. Even in this hypothetical dream scenario he aint worth it.  He's not going to outproduce his best season, after leaving for Buffalo.  Cmon

[T master]

On 11/26/2018 at 8:11 AM, NewDayBills said:

Let's say we finish 8-8, Allen plays great to finish the season. Buffalo looks like a team that is going to compete for a long time. We would suddenly become an attractive destination for many FAs. We also have a ton of cap space to work with and our offense lacks a playmaker. Why not Bell? Give him what he wants, Buffalo now has the best RB in the NFL. Build that OL in the draft and free agency. Buffalo adds a guy that regularly puts up 2,000 all purpose yards a season. Hopefully Zay and Foster continue to develop alongside Allen and I  could definitely see us making a playoff push. Bell gets a 4 year deal, his contract would be up around the same time Josh Allen's is, so no conflict there. Definitely think offense would not be a problem anymore.

 

Let's see to pay $20 + million a yr for a RB or not (because that's what he thinks he's worth) I'm thinkin NO, NO, & HELL NO !! 

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29 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

Sammy's awful contract is completely unrelated to Bell and its not fair tie them together. Even in this hypothetical dream scenario he aint worth it.  He's not going to outproduce his best season, after leaving for Buffalo.  Cmon

That's how much elite or potentially elite skill players go for. Bell will get less than Sammy even though Bell out produced him in every category. We got 91 million, we have the cap to play around with. LeVeon Bell would instantly upgrade our offense in a big way. Draft OL often and early. Look into WR/RB Tavon Austin and WR John Brown.

Edited November 27, 2018 by NewDayBills

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28 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

That's how much elite or potentially elite skill players go for. Bell will get less than Sammy even though Bell out produced him in every category. We got 91 million, we have the cap to play around with. LeVeon Bell would instantly upgrade our offense in a big way. Draft OL often and early. Look into WR/RB Tavon Austin and WR John Brown.

But we can both agree Sammy is not elite talent/ isnt worth elite talent money right?

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1 minute ago, BillsMafia13 said:

But we can both agree Sammy is not elite talent/ isnt worth elite talent money right?

Correct. Hopefully we both agree that LeVeon is an elite talent. He could be our Todd Gurley. See what he is really worth in FA, may be less than he wants or he may get what he wants. He is the premier FA next year. 

[mannc]

1 hour ago, BillsMafia13 said:

James Conner is putting up those numbers if not better for a fraction of the price.  Seems everyone is overestimating his value, unless James Conner is the next best RB in the league.  Btw Bell wants 50% more than the next most expensive rb in the league.  

It’s a valid point, but Bell did it year after year. Bell’s not going to get what he thinks he’s worth.  I think he’d be a good fit here and we’ll have the $ to spend.

[freddyjj]

2 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

Look how much Sammy Watkins got, you wouldn't pay LeVeon Bell that? I would. Bell would probably match Sammy's receiving yards while rushing for another 1,100.

Let's deal in reality here.   Bell wants $40mm guaranteed up front.  No team will give a 27 year old player (who hasn't played this year) taht much - this is where the Suspension risk and Agent Issues kill him. 

 

BTW here is Sammy's deal.  Sammy Watkins signed a 3 year, $48,000,000 contract with the Kansas City Chiefs, including a $21,000,000 signing bonus, $30,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $16,000,000.

 

And besides turning down the $14.5mm Franchise Tag deal, Bell also said no to the following.  

According to Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio, the Steelers' 10/5 offer to Bell included $47 million over three years with a $10 million roster bonus that would have been paid out soon after signing the deal. 

 

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported in July that Pittsburgh made an offer to Bell worth up to $70 million over five years and included more than $30 million over the first two years. 

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2 minutes ago, mannc said:

It’s a valid point, but Bell did it year after year. Bell’s not going to get what he thinks he’s worth.  I think he’d be a good fit here and we’ll have the $ to spend.

Bell did it 3/6 years. The rest he was suspended or sat out.

5 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

Let's deal in reality here.   Bell wants $40mm guaranteed up front.  No team will give a 27 year old player (who hasn't played this year) taht much - this is where the Suspension risk and Agent Issues kill him. 

 

BTW here is Sammy's deal.  Sammy Watkins signed a 3 year, $48,000,000 contract with the Kansas City Chiefs, including a $21,000,000 signing bonus, $30,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $16,000,000.

 

And besides turning down the $14.5mm Franchise Tag deal, Bell also said no to the following.  

According to Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio, the Steelers' 10/5 offer to Bell included $47 million over three years with a $10 million roster bonus that would have been paid out soon after signing the deal. 

 

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported in July that Pittsburgh made an offer to Bell worth up to $70 million over five years and included more than $30 million over the first two years. 

I just dont get it.  I very much was not a fan of Sammy, but I'd still rather pay him 20 mil  a year over Bell for multiple reasons.

[DCOrange]

7 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

Let's deal in reality here.   Bell wants $40mm guaranteed up front.  No team will give a 27 year old player (who hasn't played this year) taht much - this is where the Suspension risk and Agent Issues kill him. 

 

BTW here is Sammy's deal.  Sammy Watkins signed a 3 year, $48,000,000 contract with the Kansas City Chiefs, including a $21,000,000 signing bonus, $30,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $16,000,000.

 

And besides turning down the $14.5mm Franchise Tag deal, Bell also said no to the following.  

According to Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio, the Steelers' 10/5 offer to Bell included $47 million over three years with a $10 million roster bonus that would have been paid out soon after signing the deal. 

 

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported in July that Pittsburgh made an offer to Bell worth up to $70 million over five years and included more than $30 million over the first two years. 

I'm not so sure honestly. I know Florio, who you quoted below, disagrees. 

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/16/yes-odds-are-available-for-leveon-bells-next-contract/

Florio says he would expect a 3 year, $54-60 million deal fully guaranteed

 

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12 hours ago, mannc said:

They don’t want a guy who’s good for 1300 yards rushing and 700 yards receiving?  I mean, I think people are underestimating what Bell brings to the table.

 

I'm sure they would live a player who brings those kind of stats here, but they also value guys more that are playing cause they love the game and their teammates, not for their bank account. They dont want divas who are playing for themselves and their personal stats. If Bell has another year or 2 of the same stats, is he going to sit out another season because he wants his contract renegotiated?

 

The reality is, this front office and coaching staff want guys who love and are all about the game of football first. Not me first guys looking to cash checks. It might not be what some fans want, bit they arent in charge in the lockerroom or on the field having to coach the team.

[Tommy]

12 hours ago, mannc said:

They don’t want a guy who’s good for 1300 yards rushing and 700 yards receiving?  I mean, I think people are underestimating what Bell brings to the table.

But this is a guy who is really good in pass protection and will get you 700 yards receiving, on top of at least 1200 yards rushing—exactly the kind of safety blanket JA needs.

 

Of course any team would love to have a player that puts up those statistics. However, I do think it's fair to question why you believe Bell would be able to put up those kinds of numbers on a team with a worse O-line and offense in general? Le'Veon Bell has been in the NFL for six seasons now, and he's only put up 1200 yards rushing and 700 yards receiving in the same season a single time. Your assumption assumes that Bell will duplicate the single best season in his entire career.

 

If there was some way to guarantee those kinds of numbers, then maybe I can be talked into going after Bell. I happen to think it's much more likely however that Bell would fail to meet our expectations, and, given the risk of him getting suspended or harboring discontent if we aren't winning, I don't think it would be wise to throw all of that money at him.

[mannc]

Just now, Tommy said:

 

Of course any team would love to have a player that puts up those statistics. However, I do think it's fair to question why you believe Bell would be able to put up those kinds of numbers on a team with a worse O-line and offense in general? Le'Veon Bell has been in the NFL for six seasons now, and he's only put up 1200 yards rushing and 700 yards receiving in the same season a single time. Your assumption assumes that Bell will duplicate the single best season in his entire career.

 

If there was some way to guarantee those kinds of numbers, then maybe I can be talked into going after Bell. I happen to think it's much more likely however that Bell would fail to meet our expectations, and, given the risk of him getting suspended or harboring discontent if we aren't winning, I don't think it would be wise to throw all of that money at him.

He’s had three seasons in which he put up around 2000 yards from scrimmage.  I don’t know if he would duplicate those numbers here, but he’d be a nice piece to add.  He is a running back who’s very effective in the passing game, both as a receiver and in pass pro.  But I get that he’s still just a RB.  Where else are we going to spend the money?

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49 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I'm not so sure honestly. I know Florio, who you quoted below, disagrees. 

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/16/yes-odds-are-available-for-leveon-bells-next-contract/

Florio says he would expect a 3 year, $54-60 million deal fully guaranteed

 

3yrs 48 million fully guaranteed. That would be my offer to Bell. Dump Shady and Ivory, keep Marcus Murphy and draft another RB in the 3rd or 4th. Take that first pick and trade down, collect many picks and draft 4-5 linemen. I think you'd see our offense take a jump. Allen would easily put up 4,000 yds in an offense like that.

Edited November 27, 2018 by NewDayBills

[freddyjj]

2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I'm not so sure honestly. I know Florio, who you quoted below, disagrees. 

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/16/yes-odds-are-available-for-leveon-bells-next-contract/

Florio says he would expect a 3 year, $54-60 million deal fully guaranteed

 

Wow I missed that, thanks for posting.  

 

I will amend my take to this; OBD will not put a fully guaranteed $54mm-60mm 3 year deal on the table for reasons noted previously.

 

Bell was picked 48th in draft (mid 2nd) and David Johnson and Kareem Hunt were taken at pick 86 in the 3rd.  Have to believe a Shady replacement (who will have Shady alongside them in RB room in 2019) can be found in the draft next spring.

 

OL, WR, DL and CB are bigger needs than RB