California wildfires

[IDBillzFan]

13 minutes ago, Fires said:

  LOL... my son lives in Lenoir via New Jersey. He has an Italian last name (not the same as mine). I'm sure he can relate.     BTW, I laugh every time  I see Fabios commercials on TV and remember your story .

 

 

The board was fun back then. Now it's just a line of people wanting to gut the team with every incomplete pass. I blame the shut down of BBMB.

 

Your son is likely learning what I learned quickly: there are three kinds of people they don't like in that neck of the woods: Italians, people from the North, and Italians from the North.

 

 

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Helpmenow said:

Central Valley is again similar to Carolinas what?

The mountains of California topographically are similar.to the mountains of North Carolina.  Is that not understandable?

[Augie]

18 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

The board was fun back then. Now it's just a line of people wanting to gut the team with every incomplete pass. I blame the shut down of BBMB.

 

Your son is likely learning what I learned quickly: there are three kinds of people they don't like in that neck of the woods: Italians, people from the North, and Italians from the North.

 

 

 

Careful! You might get fired for a comment like that! 

[Fires]

18 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

The board was fun back then. Now it's just a line of people wanting to gut the team with every incomplete pass. I blame the shut down of BBMB.

 

Your son is likely learning what I learned quickly: there are three kinds of people they don't like in that neck of the woods: Italians, people from the North, and Italians from the North.

 

 Add people from Florida to that list.... Fortunately I was born with a lot of Appalachian blood in me.. Even though my 15th Great grandmother was an Italian princess.  I spent several years in Central PA .  Appalachian country.  Met one of my neighbors in NC when I went down his no trespassing marked driveway on my 4 wheeler.  Belligerent at 1st but by the time I left he was offering shine and invited me back... LOL

 

[TheElectricCompany]

30 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

The mountains of California topographically are similar.to the mountains of North Carolina.  Is that not understandable?

 

When I first saw the Smokies, I thought "Gee, these look just like the High Sierra!"

Or was it the Cascades? Those volcanoes are pretty sweet. 

Nah, that can't be it. I mean, there are dozens of mountain ranges in California, each very different than another. 

But yeah, let's go with that, they are "topographically similar". 

[Misterbluesky]

8 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

Oh yeah, kids have had inside recess, lunch, etc since Thursday.  They're all going stir crazy.   It doesn't smell smoky anymore but you can tell the air is dirty.

Your home should be spotless...teach them about the days of depression,when children went to bed soon after the sun set...candles were expensive. 

 

TV -off

Internet- off

Radio-PBS only

 

But I guess....that would be considered child abuse these days...

[ExiledInIllinois]

45 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

Your home should be spotless...teach them about the days of depression,when children went to bed soon after the sun set...candles were expensive. 

 

TV -off

Internet- off

Radio-PBS only

 

But I guess....that would be considered child abuse these days...

And a transistor radio under the pillow to catch the Sabres playing on the West Coast!  ?

[Misterbluesky]

11 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

And a transistor radio under the pillow to catch the Sabres playing on the West Coast!  ?

Straight up...

[ExiledInIllinois]

This is what perplexes me:

 

"With embers raining down in what Hawks likened to snowflakes in a blizzard, they sought shelter in a house and prepared to ride it out. One of the four paramedics was able to get in the home’s garage through a doggie door and unlock the door, and the four patients were moved inside, he said. There were also three nurses.

"What I told everyone: ‘We’re going to ride the fire out here and we need to protect this home,’ Hawks said Tuesday. "You know, this is our Fort Knox, basically."

Paramedics began clearing pine needles from around the home and from the gutter of the roof. If the house ended up catching fire, Hawk said they were prepared to enter the cul-de-sac which was an open area to ride out the fire."

 

You would think that people would stay on top of their house, morning noon and night living in fire country.  Why is there a build up of debris in gutters and around wooden structure.  Unless the pine needles just  accumulated?  

 

Simply, houses too embedded in the woods?

 

EDIT: Ambulance caught fire and they had to hunker down.

Edited November 14, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois

[Just Jack]

There's a thing now, called FireScaping, where what plants you have and how/where they are planted can help prevent your home from burning down....

 

http://www.unce.unr.edu/publications/files/ho/2001/fs0133.pdf

 

https://www.houselogic.com/by-room/yard-patio/landscaping-design-protects-home-from-wildfire/

[boyst]

8 hours ago, Just Jack said:

There's a thing now, called FireScaping, where what plants you have and how/where they are planted can help prevent your home from burning down....

 

http://www.unce.unr.edu/publications/files/ho/2001/fs0133.pdf

 

https://www.houselogic.com/by-room/yard-patio/landscaping-design-protects-home-from-wildfire/

That's always been a thing ??‍♂️

[ExiledInIllinois]

29 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

That's always been a thing ??‍♂️

Yeah... Don't build a wooden structure in the woods. And IFF You do.  You maintain it.  Clear cut the trees, vegetation away. Puerto Rico caught flak for not maintaining... Why can't SoCal?

 

Honorable mention goes to:

 

1. Cape Cod House in Florida

Conversely:

2. Flat Roofed House in Cape Cod

3. Basemented House in Flood Zone

Conversely:

4. Non-Basemented House in Tornado Ally

 

Anyway... Stucco and tile roofs are a marvelous invention for a place like Malibu.  They have the do-re-me.

 

"Here come those Santa Ana winds again

We'll jog with show folk on the sand
Drink kirschwasser from a shell..."

 

I know people are dying, losing everything.  I am sympathetic.  But, they don't have to be dying, losing everything.  Especially the ones w/resources.

 

I'd like to see the structures that dodged this calamity... 

Edited November 14, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois

[dpberr]

16 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Popped inside.  And not filled with water.

 

Anyway... Nobody is addressing why they aren't clearing growth every 30-50 years.  If they rotated around, it's constant maintenance of new growth and clearing old growth.  I would rather spend the $$$$ that way then letting the forests go to pot and spend copious amounts on fire suppression.  The fires aren't helping global warming!  Vicious circle.

 

Why in last 30 years are we not clearing forests?

 

It's either that or stop the people from moving there!  With less people, let it go native and burn.  The many simply can't live there and let it go native.  Too much risk.

 

Why should other's in far away places bear the burden for the selfishness.

 

Let it burn and nobody move back.

 

You hit the nail on the head IMO.  That's the reason these fires turn into the apocalyptic infernos.  

[boyst]

http://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-abcarian-sonoma-fire-20171012-htmlstory.html

 

Girlfriend told me about this from a few years ago.

 

Couple survived in a swimming pool for 6 hours during fire.

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, dpberr said:

 

You hit the nail on the head IMO.  That's the reason these fires turn into the apocalyptic infernos.  

Yet... Thy don't want to clear cut a plan.  It ruins the enviro hippies' "aesthetics."

 

They don't want to bring any economic value to that forest floor with regards to a natural resource, so they will let the wood dry out and combust.

 

The economic interest becomes zero not logging and focuses around aesthetic and natural habitat for God's critters.  Without good human stewardship, those perish in these volatile and cataclysmic events.

 

Just blame global warming.  The people in Bangor, Maine will rally around and help solve the California fire problem.

[KD in CA]

1 hour ago, Boyst62 said:

http://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-abcarian-sonoma-fire-20171012-htmlstory.html

 

Girlfriend told me about this from a few years ago.

 

Couple survived in a swimming pool for 6 hours during fire.

 

There were several stories of people who survived the Napa/Sonoma fires last year that way.  Some of those fires exploded within minutes in the middle of the night.  People had literally minutes to react.  Not quite the same as blowing off hurricane warnings for a week.

[ExiledInIllinois]

47 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

There were several stories of people who survived the Napa/Sonoma fires last year that way.  Some of those fires exploded within minutes in the middle of the night.  People had literally minutes to react.  Not quite the same as blowing off hurricane warnings for a week.

Properly built homes for the location, geography & climate... Have no problems:

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mans-concrete-home-survives-raging-wildfire-washington/story?id=33286398

 

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-house-that-can-withstand-a-wildfire-300724958.html

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/06/11/green.building.material/index.html

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Properly built homes for the location, geography & climate... Have no problems:

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mans-concrete-home-survives-raging-wildfire-washington/story?id=33286398

 

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-house-that-can-withstand-a-wildfire-300724958.html

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/06/11/green.building.material/index.html

I'mma build my house out of fire. So when them fires comes i can't get no fire burning down my house because my house be all the fire.  Issa be hott.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Look liberal celebrities getting behind gun rights:

 

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/entertainment/pinks-husband-carey-hart-delivers-threatening-message-wildfire-looters-celebs-like-shannen-doherty-fight-protect-homes-180356301.html

 

Yeah... They are all California libs when it comes to the environment, etc... But come looting their own private Idaho and it's shoot to kill...

 

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/pink-is-raising-her-kids-genderneutral-and-says-trump-is-fing-unbelievable/news-story/6936453f7186357ed8a277e224ad8575

[Wacka]

8 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Properly built homes for the location, geography & climate... Have no problems:

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mans-concrete-home-survives-raging-wildfire-washington/story?id=33286398

 

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-house-that-can-withstand-a-wildfire-300724958.html

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/06/11/green.building.material/index.html

But an earthquake is another story. Tile roofs a no-no in  quake prone areas.

Edited November 15, 2018 by Wacka

[Helpmenow]

On 11/13/2018 at 5:59 PM, Boyst62 said:

The mountains of California topographically are similar.to the mountains of North Carolina.  Is that not understandable?

Let me again tell you, you are wrong. What is your background. Are you a geologist?

[boyst]

55 minutes ago, Helpmenow said:

Let me again tell you, you are wrong. What is your background. Are you a geologist?

Yes, I am... my name is Randy Marsh.

Edited November 15, 2018 by Boyst62

[ExiledInIllinois]

23 minutes ago, Wacka said:

But an earthquake is another story. Tile roofs a no-no in  quake prone areas.

 

Yeah... That's the sucky part.  WTF... The only thing you can do is persevere.  The Earth won't stop.

 

To quote The Dead:

 

"The wheel is turning and you can't slow down...

...You can't let go and you can't hold on,

You can't go back and you can't stand still,
If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will.
Small wheel turn by the fire and rod..."

~The Wheel

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

Wow!

 

Read this:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna936336

 

"If the Utility's equipment is determined to be the cause, the Utility could be subject to significant liability in excess of insurance coverage," the company said in document filed with the SEC, which was obtained by CNBC."

[ExiledInIllinois]

11 hours ago, Wacka said:

But an earthquake is another story. Tile roofs a no-no in  quake prone areas.

Revisting... This, what about slate roofs, anchored of course.  ??

[Chef Jim]

11 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Yes, I am... my name is Randy Marsh.

 

This is a beautiful picture of the topography of the Carolinas. 

 

 

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

 

This is a beautiful picture of the topography of the Carolinas. 

 

 

I agree, Carolina mountain so tall you can see him all the way from the California welcome Center. If you look close you can see Denver there in the valley.

Edited November 15, 2018 by Boyst62

[TheElectricCompany]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

 

This is a beautiful picture of the topography of the Carolinas. 

Taken from Mammoth Mtn. Lots of volcanic activity in both California and the Carolinas. 

 

[Chef Jim]

Just now, TheElectricCompany said:

Taken from Mammoth Mtn. Lots of volcanic activity in both California and the Carolinas. 

 

 

Does not make the topography even remotely similar. 

[row_33]

13 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Does not make the topography even remotely similar. 

 

you want to argue to the death on the internet over an opinion, and one that's not even amusing?

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Does not make the topography even remotely similar. 

What? Trees don't grow so they don't need to clear cut.

 

If people live in a forest, probably best they chopped the trees down around their home every once in a while.  You know manage it... Because if they don't, Mutha Nature will do it for them.

 

Good thing, bright side.  Don't have to worry about forest fires in the burn zone now for about 30 years.  Keep on building.  Get a new house in 30 years.

Edited November 15, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois

[Chef Jim]

28 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

What? Trees don't grow so they don't need to clear cut.

 

If people live in a forest, probably best they chopped the trees down around their home every once in a while.  You know manage it... Because if they don't, Mutha Nature will do it for them.

 

Good thing, bright side.  Don't have to worry about forest fires in the burn zone now for about 30 years.  Keep on building.  Get a new house in 30 years.

 

My point has been that and will continue to be that most of the homes that burn are surrounded by scrub not forests. We already do manage the scrub as best possible. How do you pick and choose which brush you clear?  You can’t clear it all otherwise you compromise the hillsides during our rainy season.  Even if we did did remove the fuel around residential areas embers blow from miles away. So what I’m really doing is mocking Donald and the people here saying “just manage the forests!”  It’s has been and will always be one of the prices people pay for living here. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

17 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

My point has been that and will continue to be that most of the homes that burn are surrounded by scrub not forests. We already do manage the scrub as best possible. How do you pick and choose which brush you clear?  You can’t clear it all otherwise you compromise the hillsides during our rainy season.  Even if we did did remove the fuel around residential areas embers blow from miles away. So what I’m really doing is mocking Donald and the people here saying “just manage the forests!”  It’s has been and will always be one of the prices people pay for living here. 

Yeah.  He needs to be mocked.

 

My point is that it's just not a livable area. Don't build there.  That's the real problem.  To many people, too much development in areas not intended as a human habitat.

 

That's managing the forests too.

[Chef Jim]

4 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yeah.  He needs to be mocked.

 

My point is that it's just not a livable area. Don't build there.  That's the real problem.  To many people, too much development in areas not intended as a human habitat.

 

That's managing the forests too.

 

Oh it’s very livable!  

[boyst]

[26CornerBlitz]

Damn!

 

[KD in CA]

It's livable up here in Tahoe!  Getting away from the smoke for a few days.

 

Cold up here and the house we're borrowing hadn't been opened for the winter, so first thing I did after turning on the water was......lit a fire.   

[Chef Jim]

6 hours ago, KD in CA said:

It's livable up here in Tahoe!  Getting away from the smoke for a few days.

 

Cold up here and the house we're borrowing hadn't been opened for the winter, so first thing I did after turning on the water was......lit a fire.   

 

I was talking to a friend who lives down the Peninsula in Menlo Park.  Quite a distance from the fires and says her house smells of smoke.  I saw webcam footage of The Bay. It's a smokey mess there.  Glad you got out for a few days.  I heard spending the day in SF is like smoking 10 cigarettes. 

[KD in CA]

3 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I was talking to a friend who lives down the Peninsula in Menlo Park.  Quite a distance from the fires and says her house smells of smoke.  I saw webcam footage of The Bay. It's a smokey mess there.  Glad you got out for a few days.  I heard spending the day in SF is like smoking 10 cigarettes. 

 

It wasn't that bad until late Thursday afternoon when it suddenly got much worse.  Friday was awful;  basically no difference being indoors.

 

But even that was nothing compared to what Sacramento looked like driving up here.  Like driving into the abyss on the highway, couldn't see anything but the cars in front.

 

We're half joking about telling people we're relocating Thanksgiving to Soda Springs.

[Chef Jim]

26 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

It wasn't that bad until late Thursday afternoon when it suddenly got much worse.  Friday was awful;  basically no difference being indoors.

 

But even that was nothing compared to what Sacramento looked like driving up here.  Like driving into the abyss on the highway, couldn't see anything but the cars in front.

 

We're half joking about telling people we're relocating Thanksgiving to Soda Springs.

 

On a completely different note but related sort of. We typically spend Thanksgiving with friends in Palm Springs. My favorite town to drive through between Riverside and Moreno Valley is Box Springs. ?. Yes I’m easily amused.