GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 30 minutes ago, ngbills said: How do you know things will get better? What have you seen that indicates this? It is interesting how fans want to defend their team or their coaches despite what is being seen. Every coach in the first year or two will have those that say "trust the process" or "it takes time" or whatever other excuse. Sometimes you have to trust what your eyes are telling you. My eyes are telling me that McDermott can lead and he can coach. My eyes are also telling me that their personnel plan on offense has been flawed and confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said: They have improved the defense. I believe the offense will follow. Being optimistic is so much better that running around yelling that the sky is falling. What is being accomplished by all this negativity? If I have a choice to believe in people that have devoted their adult life to footfall or the people freaking out on TBD, I will choose the former. They are 14th in yards allowed and 22nd in points allowed. That is considered improved? They were 17th and 19th in 2016 and 15th and 19th in 2015. So we are almost as good as we were before McD was hired. Ok, its debatable but even if we say its improved its not enough to justify how bad the offense is. Fans can choose their own behaviors. Some like to watch the games and analyze strategy. Some like the big hits or amazing plays. Some like the commercials or the dances or whatever. Being negative as you call it is not trying to accomplish anything. It is a discussion that people like to have as what they enjoy talking about. Its a debate - is the team headed in the right direction, what players should they keep, who should they draft etc. Its part of the fun for many people. While others have a mindset of just watch and be a cheerleader. Everyone on your team is the best and when they leave they are now the worst. 13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: My eyes are telling me that McDermott can lead and he can coach. My eyes are also telling me that their personnel plan on offense has been flawed and confused. Why can he coach if his offense has been this flawed? Is offense not important? In todays football arguably much more important. Edited October 31, 2018 by ngbills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, ngbills said: Why can he coach if his offense has been this flawed? Is offense not important? In todays football arguably much more important. Because I don't think the offense is flawed through coaching. It is flawed through the most pathetic collection of offensive talent I have ever seen on an NFL team. It is talent evaluation sinking this offense. They just have a lot of really bad players. There only two players on this offense in my view (McCoy and Dawkins) who would start for ANY of the other 31 teams in the league. Their personnel decisions on offense have sucked. Making coaching it almost impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 52 minutes ago, ngbills said: How do you know things will get better? What have you seen that indicates this? It is interesting how fans want to defend their team or their coaches despite what is being seen. Every coach in the first year or two will have those that say "trust the process" or "it takes time" or whatever other excuse. Sometimes you have to trust what your eyes are telling you. I ask again. For the "what did you expect" or "they have nothing to work with" crowd: Why is hard to see that they are historically bad? This is beyond the normal we knew it would be like this. They are on pace to break some records for ineptitude. Think about this: They have half as many points scored as the 49ers and CJ Beathard led offense. The team lost both its starting QB and RB. An awful team. I could down the list of other teams and you will find more of the same. It is atrocious. And here we go trotting out a guy that throws a pick every 8 pass attempts and has no business being in the league. How do you know things won't get better? As far as your question of "What have you seen that indicates this?" For one thing, they got the Bills to the playoffs last year. I know, you will probably say they backed in. The fact is the won enough games to qualify for the playoffs. Management is getting us out of a financial mess. This season needed to happen. We are all guessing what will happen. Until I am proven wrong, I like to believe that things will improve. You like to things will stay the same or get worse. I prefer my outlook. If focusing on all the bad things that can happen in the future brings you comfort, then best of luck to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Because I don't think the offense is flawed through coaching. It is flawed through the most pathetic collection of offensive talent I have ever seen on an NFL team. It is talent evaluation sinking this offense. They just have a lot of really bad players. There only two players on this offense in my view (McCoy and Dawkins) who would start for ANY of the other 31 teams in the league. Their personnel decisions on offense have sucked. Making coaching it almost impossible. I agree with you that. I guess I find it hard to believe that McD and Beane are so out of sync that this should not fall on McD. How can he be trusted as a coach when he allowed his team to go into the season with these players? Its beyond belief. My opinion is his ego is so big he thinks players matter less than coaches. I have been around many coaches with that mindset. That may work in high school or even college to an extent. But not in the NFL. Even Belichek who gets so much credit would not be who he is without Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 ..maybe Rick Pitino can make the transition............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, ngbills said: I agree with you that. I guess I find it hard to believe that McD and Beane are so out of sync that this should not fall on McD. How can he be trusted as a coach when he allowed his team to go into the season with these players? Its beyond belief. My opinion is his ego is so big he thinks players matter less than coaches. I have been around many coaches with that mindset. That may work in high school or even college to an extent. But not in the NFL. Even Belichek who gets so much credit would not be who he is without Brady. I didn't say it didn't fall on him. You asked what my eyes told me. My eyes told me the Head Coach can coach. My eyes also tell me that the offensive personnel evaluation of the pair of them is bad. I was not absolving McDermott of any fault. I was separating coaching from talent evaluation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said: How do you know things won't get better? As far as your question of "What have you seen that indicates this?" For one thing, they got the Bills to the playoffs last year. I know, you will probably say they backed in. The fact is the won enough games to qualify for the playoffs. Management is getting us out of a financial mess. This season needed to happen. We are all guessing what will happen. Until I am proven wrong, I like to believe that things will improve. You like to things will stay the same or get worse. I prefer my outlook. If focusing on all the bad things that can happen in the future brings you comfort, then best of luck to you. We both want the same thing. I just dont have the "trust them or they know best mindset". I am not impressed and dont have faith in them with that I have seen thus far. The offense and Peterman repeatedly starting is beyond comprehension. 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I didn't say it didn't fall on him. You asked what my eyes told me. My eyes told me the Head Coach can coach. My eyes also tell me that the offensive personnel evaluation of the pair of them is bad. I was not absolving McDermott of any fault. I was separating coaching from talent evaluation. Which begs the question "can you win without talent"? I think we are seeing the answer this year. What do we do if McD can coach but sucks at player evaluation? That sound like he is better suited to be a Def Coord than a head coach. Edited October 31, 2018 by ngbills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, ngbills said: Which begs the question "can you win without talent"? I think we are seeing the answer this year. What do we do if McD can coach but sucks at player evaluation? That sound like he is better suited to be a Def Coord than a head coach. That is why my view is that they both get this offseason and a go at improving the mess they have created. But if it doesn't work and my view at the end of it is "McDermott is still coaching his ass off" then my answer would be to fire Beane, take all personnel control from McDermott and hire a proper experienced GM above him. If he doesn't like that I'd move on from him too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 13 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..maybe Rick Pitino can make the transition............... So we have to build a brothel at OBD? It may help in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, Augie said: So we have to build a brothel at OBD? It may help in FA. ...hell I'm in.......and I can't dribble............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 13 minutes ago, ngbills said: We both want the same thing. I just dont have the "trust them or they know best mindset". I am not impressed and dont have faith in them with that I have seen thus far. The offense and Peterman repeatedly starting is beyond comprehension. Which begs the question "can you win without talent"? I think we are seeing the answer this year. What do we do if McD can coach but sucks at player evaluation? That sound like he is better suited to be a Def Coord than a head coach. Bang on...... He has put together an offense so behind the NFL, that as HC there is no way they can attract FA's without grossly over-valuing and over-paying in addition to completely overhauling that side with a new OC and little faith from the fans that he can do it. What he has done in just over a year to the Offense is unacceptable and he has shown not a inkling that he has any idea or thought as to how to fix it....... Maybe the Wishbone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 44 minutes ago, ngbills said: We both want the same thing. I just dont have the "trust them or they know best mindset". I am not impressed and dont have faith in them with that I have seen thus far. The offense and Peterman repeatedly starting is beyond comprehension. Which begs the question "can you win without talent"? I think we are seeing the answer this year. What do we do if McD can coach but sucks at player evaluation? That sound like he is better suited to be a Def Coord than a head coach. Happy Halloween! Have a great evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said: The thing that I do not understand with those that are freaking out. We expected this season to be what it had become. Things will get better beginning next year. Take a deep breath....and relax. Who expected the worst offense of the modern era? Who expected the "franchise quarterback" to average 165 yards a game? The team was supposed to be bad but competitive with glimmers of hope and growth. They're bad, have been blown out multiple times and have shown no hope for the future on offense. Edited November 1, 2018 by JM57 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, JM57 said: Who expected the worst offense of the modern era? Who expected the "franchise quarterback" to average 165 yards a game? The team was supposed to be bad but competitive with glimmers of hope and growth. They're bad, have been blown out multiple times and have shown no hope for the future on offense. Please see my other posts. This gets repetitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 40 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said: Please see my other posts. This gets repetitive. I am guessing you expected not only the Bills would be bad and knew next season that they would get the offense fixed. Did you think the offense would be this bad considering in an era where its easy to score double digits in points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Stanford's Dave Shaw.... NFL chops... Class.... Eye for talent.... He's the only college coach I've seen host the NFL draft... Pay him whatever he wants. -Within reason, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 27 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: I am guessing you expected not only the Bills would be bad and knew next season that they would get the offense fixed. Did you think the offense would be this bad considering in an era where its easy to score double digits in points? You got me. Have a good night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pbomb Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Don’t matter who they want, they will just want them fired too in a couple months 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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