Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I don't think that matters. We need a progressive offensive mind leading the team, and just ask him to keep Leslie Frazier as DC so there's no turnover on that side of the ball. We need a coach capable of fielding a modern NFL offense. Believe me, I can't/don't envision Sean McDermott holding a Lombardi over his head. But I think that's why he isn't fired yet. The Bills continually change their HCs looking for the quick answer and so its Pegula's reputation in the league that further takes hits if he fires McDermott. Like FA WR's you have to convince some offensive mind (knowing the Bills they'll go after Mike McCoy or Norv Turner) and spin that as a brilliant OC mind like they did on the defensive side of the ball with Dave Wannstedt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I listened to the post-game show last night, and Sean McDermott is out of answers folks. When his team gets kicked in the teeth, he pulls out his Dick Jauron cue cards repeats the most bland answers and cliches. First question out of the gate: "your offense has 2 Touchdowns in the last 5 games, explain it" and McDermott leads with "the defense came out and played well at times"... "go back and find answers". On McCoy's ineffectiveness as a runner - "making sure we are giving LeSean opportunities, and I have to go back and look at the tape" - HEY SEAN, MAYBE STOP ALLOWING SWEEPS AND PITCHES TO THE EDGES "Learn from our mistakes" "We are developing a football team" "Learn from the tape" From your time in the NFL could you recall any offense you've been a part of that has struggled like this? .... "establish the line of scrimmage early, thought we did some of that early, they made adjustments, and we weren't able to sustain it really the rest of the game" Derek Anderson evaluation: "thought he made some good throws, and he had some throws he'd like back" What is holding Derek Anderson's back: "being able to establish the run game ... stay in 3rd and manageable" Why is first down such a problem? "Can't get it going" And so I ask Bills fans, do McDermott's answers bother you? Because they aggravate me. You have Bills fans sitting out there all night to watch a 47 yard and 51 yard FG and they get: we have to study tape harder. They get we are building a culture as we "move this thing forward". I think McDermott really thinks that you can line up in 2018 with an extra Tight End and Fullback, and run over teams across a 16-game schedule. That you can line McCoy up and just use the run game to control the line of scrimmage and that still works in the NFL. That you can watch tape, correct mistakes, and learn to be good offensively. That stay in 3rd and manageable is an accomplishment. Halfway through the season, 11-13 as a Coach and I think McDermott is out of answers. If he was gifted Alvin Kamara today he wouldn't know how to use him. He'd slam him into the line 8 times and talk about physicality. No. Most coaches talk like this. They aren't going to get all emotional. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I see a train stop ahead......it would be a good place for the bandwagon to get a little lighter Door is thhhhhhaaaatawaaaay........feel free to use it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Tear an offense down to nothing. And replace one piece, the Quarterback with a QB that was marginal at Wyoming. That's it. Cut your WR signing (Kerley) and trade (Coleman) and best UDFA (Foster). Clearly they saw something in Kerley in practice that they didn't like, or they figured there was a cheaper option that was able to do what he does and they could save money. If Kerley was *that* good, he'd be on a team right now but he isn't. Coleman was a longshot from the start. The Pats cut him as well. He's currently on the Giants practice squad. Best UDFA is Foster? He flashed in pre-season a couple of times but didn't do anything once the season began. I like Cam Phillips a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Clause Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 46 minutes ago, jrober38 said: No. He doesn't need to be a Hall of Famer. I just don't think we should be committing ourselves to a HC who has fielded nothing but horrendous offenses. A guy who has shown no ability to evaluate QBs. A guy who insists on trading talent away so he can have guys who fit his culture, even if they can't perform on the field. A guy whose football team is now featuring the worst offense the NFL has seen in 20 years. What are we doing here? The NFL is about scoring points and we're still playing games not to lose, which never works out. McDermott is trying to win games 14-13 when the top teams in the NFL are doing the opposite, trying to win shootouts 35-30. Our whole approach is out of date and it's blatantly obvious on the field that McDermott's coaching philosophy doesn't lineup with what's happening in the modern NFL. This is 100% McDermott and Beane's choice. They're the ones who got rid of everyone we drafted except 3 guys prior to the 2017 season. Anybody with half a brain, hell 1/4 of a brain knew this was a throw away year to clear up cap and to prepare us for free agency and the draft next year. The alternative was to continue floundering at 7-9, 9-7. They didn’t want to get stuck with the high contract price of getting a veteran that would have wanted a longer term deal, as they wanted a young qb that doesn’t cost much while on a rookie deal. That’s the plan, build a team from the ground up, build it for the long haul. Yes it can be painful, but if done correctly can provide for years of entertaining teams. Unfortunately this board is filled with people who are impatient petulant children who think they can build that overnight. There were issues left over from the previous people running this team that needed to be addressed. Obviously the Pegulas approved the plan as it is being executed. Time will tell how far their patience will extend and if this was the right plan. But to come here and complain day after day, week after week and act like this is the finished product is completely asinine. With the cap as it is, self inflicted or not, we were never going to be able to compete for what the ultimate goal should be winning a Super Bowl. So if that’s the case, getting younger players field time and to be able to experience the growing pains now is invaluable. While the silent majority is observing the play and growth of the 1st and second year players and understanding the plan, this board is filled with vocal morons complaining that we just needed to tweak the team for Tyrod and Marcel. So has this process been perfect? Far from it, some mistakes have been made, but acting like continuing the path we were on was going to end up with us hoisting the Lombardi, idiocy at its best... SMH It’s almost unbearable coming here these days.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 32 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: You say this as if when these players get older it guarantees us a better team. LOL, what?! Dude... I stated a simple fact. There's no deeper meaning behind it. 40% of the current Bills roster is made up of 1st or 2nd year players. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 17 minutes ago, PolishPrince said: Correct, people look at average age which gets stretched older due to Lorax, Kyle Williams, Derek Anderson now and a few others who I would say are "old" for their positions. The one thing that worries me is that we obviously need to go all in on offense... but arguably two of our best pass rushers (not including Hughes) are quite up there in age Sure, Kyle and Lorax negatively impact that average age but it works the other way too for the stat they used last night. 40 percent are 1/2nd year players. How many of those guys are replacement level players and will they even be here again next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, ScottLaw said: Jesus John. You add nothing. Im adding just about what is being posted on this board at the moment...... I guess I could B word and whine like the rest of you......but what would that accomplish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 36 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: 30th in average age. And Derek Anderson didn't help this. https://www.phillyvoice.com/ranking-nfl-teams-age-after-53-man-cutdowns-2017-edition/ Age-wise, yeah... but experience-wise, they have a lot of inexperienced players at the moment. There's also Lorenzo and Kyle, but those dudes are valuable leaders and both have been playing exceptionally well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I see a train stop ahead......it would be a good place for the bandwagon to get a little lighter Door is thhhhhhaaaatawaaaay........feel free to use it Bandwagon. You have to be kidding me? That lady they showed last night, praying that the Bills could score a single TD, and her head dropping when Anderson (now 6 turnovers in 2 games) throws a brutal pick-6. Yeah its the fans who are bandwagoners. When is this franchise ever held accountable? Nope, drag out old 1992 legends and keep pretending. When in doubt, get Jim Kelly to shake some hands, call out Chris Berman to give a speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 23 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Only because you don't want the Bills to be the Cleveland Browns and fire GM's and HC every two years. They made the Playoffs in 2017 and so they get 2018 and 2019. But they need an offensive consultant. No they don’t need an “offensive consultant”. They need players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: Bandwagon. You have to be kidding me? That lady they showed last night, praying that the Bills could score a single TD, and her head dropping when Anderson (now 6 turnovers in 2 games) throws a brutal pick-6. Yeah its the fans who are bandwagoners. When is this franchise ever held accountable? Nope, drag out old 1992 legends and keep pretending. When in doubt, get Jim Kelly to shake some hands, call out Chris Berman to give a speech. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I see a train stop ahead......it would be a good place for the bandwagon to get a little lighter Door is thhhhhhaaaatawaaaay........feel free to use it So you're essentially admitting that you believe being a homer is part of being a fan. If you disagree with management or don't think they're getting the job done...you shouldn't be a fan of the team. So that means anything you say has to be taken with a huge grain of salt because you believe part of being a fan is to blindly agree with everything management does, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, HomeskillitMoorman said: So you're essentially admitting that you believe being a homer is part of being a fan. If you disagree with management or don't think they're getting the job done...you shouldn't be a fan of the team. So that means anything you say has to be taken with a huge grain of salt because you believe part of being a fan is to blindly agree with everything management does, right? I think they are losing on purpose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: I think they are losing on purpose Completely irrelevant. You just told people who have been debating, civilly, about the job the GM and coach are doing without ever mentioning wanting to stop being a Bills fan to jump off the bandwagon...meaning you believe that being a fan means you should just support management at every turn. At least own that you think being a homer for management is part of being a fan, because you just very bluntly demonstrated it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 There is not a chance they are losing on purpose. How many threads are we going to see that cry about the same damn thing? Here is the reality: our offense stinks right now. It stinks because we lost a couple linemen we didn't plan on losing, in a league where linemen are at a premium. We have a rookie QB that was playing till he got hurt, and now we have to use a backup - and exactly how many times do teams playing rookie QBs or backups do well? Our WR corps is not that great either, and we have a RB that is beginning to show signs of age, and who is trying like hell to help the team but whose dancing around is right now hurting rather than helping. So they need a major infusion of talent on that side of the ball. Now, how do they get that? By sticking to their plan. They came to town with a plan to reinvent the team. They have cap space and raft picks to start doing that. We will see how they do with that. Right now we don't know, despite all this crap about not being able to evaluate talent, etc, etc. etc. blah, blah, blah. The rest of this year will suck. No question. So will reading that same old crap from the same old people with the same old lines about firing people. When every single person here knows that's not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: Completely irrelevant. You just told people who have been debating, civilly, about the job the GM and coach are doing without ever mentioning wanting to stop being a Bills fan to jump off the bandwagon...meaning you believe that being a fan means you should just support management at every turn. At least own that you think being a homer for management is part of being a fan, because you just very bluntly demonstrated it. WTF....how is it irrelevent...if they are losing on purpose then they are doing EXACTLY WHAT THEY SET OUT TO DO It has nothing to do with being a homer...it has to do with waiting to see the final product...which is not coming this season. 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: There is not a chance they are losing on purpose. How many threads are we going to see that cry about the same damn thing? Here is the reality: our offense stinks right now. It stinks because we lost a couple linemen we didn't plan on losing, in a league where linemen are at a premium. We have a rookie QB that was playing till he got hurt, and now we have to use a backup - and exactly how many times do teams playing rookie QBs or backups do well? Our WR corps is not that great either, and we have a RB that is beginning to show signs of age, and who is trying like hell to help the team but whose dancing around is right now hurting rather than helping. So they need a major infusion of talent on that side of the ball. Now, how do they get that? By sticking to their plan. They came to town with a plan to reinvent the team. They have cap space and raft picks to start doing that. We will see how they do with that. Right now we don't know, despite all this crap about not being able to evaluate talent, etc, etc. etc. blah, blah, blah. The rest of this year will suck. No question. So will reading that same old crap from the same old people with the same old lines about firing people. When every single person here knows that's not happening. And why do you think they are allowing it to be this bad.....just think about it for a minute..... If they hated it THAT much...they would have already fired Deboll NO attempts to improve what they know is a horrible OL and WR situation.....NO ATTEMPTS They are not telling the team to go out there and lose...they CANT do that...they can in fact just not put in short term fixes to improve their situation....that is how you tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 36 minutes ago, PolishPrince said: Correct, people look at average age which gets stretched older due to Lorax, Kyle Williams, Derek Anderson now and a few others who I would say are "old" for their positions. The one thing that worries me is that we obviously need to go all in on offense... but arguably two of our best pass rushers (not including Hughes) are quite up there in age Hughes is still performing at a high level, and they like the intensity he brings. They're also big on how he practices and like having him around to set an example for those inexperienced players on how to be a pro and how to maintain your health so you can play into your 30's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: WTF....how is it irrelevent...if they are losing on purpose then they are doing EXACTLY WHAT THEY SET OUT TO DO It has nothing to do with being a homer...it has to do with waiting to see the final product...which is not coming this season. Because that's YOUR opinion, and you're telling people that if they don't agree with management, they shouldn't be fans of the team anymore. That has EVERYTHING to do with being a homer. It's the very definition. If you're just debating that you believe Beane and McDermott have a direction and that you feel they're doing a great job...whatever...but telling people they should jump off the bandwagon if they don't think that is telling people to be blind followers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: An Innovative Offensive Mind that has experience developing QBs. John Defilippo comes to mind. Chris Peterson Lincoln Riley How about anybody but this loser. He’s out coached time and time again. His teams aren’t prepared. If people can complain about the players not executing, look no further than the coach. Lets not sit her and ask who’s going to be our next coach. Everyone wants to ask this question. Like if you fire this coach now, nobody will want to come to this team. Obviously anyone with a brain would refuse to coach such a team with no talent. Well, first question is, why does this team have no talent? Well, the short answer is McDermott. When he, and Beane, came in he traded away multiple parts that were here and are now playing well for other teams. For the ones they didn’t trade, they allowed to walk in FA. Dareus (still paying his contract) Watkins Woods Hogan Goodwin Darby Brown Gaines These are just off the top of my head. Not that all these players are very good. But they were all bodies. They all started for us. And they all start for other teams now. Most of them producing. In return, we are still paying good portions of other people’s contracts (50m+ in dead cap). Look no further than this coach for letting these players go, or trading them because they didn’t meet his ridiculous standards. At some point we need football players. Not a bunch of William and Mary lunch pail guys. We replaced all of those guys with other bodies that aren’t as good or aren’t as good yet. The coach and GM are to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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