oldmanfan Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Fan in Chicago said: My point was that one of the coaches job is to get all sorts of personalities to work together with the singular goal of winning games. They need talent (Dareus, Watkins) or hard working (Woods). Coaching is so much more than game planning and schemes. McD certainly displays a lack of patience with players who don't come in with built-in 'process acceptance'. He is not going to find the likes of Kyle Williams at every position. Yes they do. And he did try to work with Dareus. And Dareus did not want to listen. He just brought this Phillips guy in at DT and he played pretty well his first game after essentially getting thrown out of Miami. Shady is not exactly the most stable personality on the planet and McD has no problem with him. Benjamin is another - why is it people scream about how they should have let KB go after last week for his lack of effort, but when Dareus didn't give effort they should have coddled him? In general, I don't think McD has a problem with guys as long as they focus on football, do their work in the room and in the field. Dedicate themselves. Are we really at the point where that is too much to ask? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 4 hours ago, dave mcbride said: I think most of us here like McDermott. He’s a good coach. That said, he has some tics and flaws and isn’t perfect. I always thought Marrone was a solid coach when he was here. I didn’t want to see him leave. Yep.........he's a good coach. The Bills have hired some good coaches to be their HC during the drought. Most were outstanding coordinators who just didn't have the chops to be an NFL HC...........but the last 3 actually have, IMO. They've all just been given too much authority and gotten carried away with the power. Now Marrone lives on a leash of his own making........Pegula is being robbed by Rex Ryan for overpaying and overpowering him...........and McD inherited a nice roster and a first round pick that lined up perfectly to get a franchise QB and has turned what most new HC's would consider a leg up into a re-build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 6 hours ago, oldmanfan said: That was with Jacksonville. Last year with the Bills he wasn't that good. Why did the light go on? Maybe getting traded woke him up. Maybe Marrone and Coughlin laid it on the line and told him he had one shot to make his mark. I just don't think we missed him much. Our run D went down a bit but the team still made the playoffs last year. And the D this year has really hit its stride. Sometimes trades are good for both sides. Nah. Dareus played well for McD. The talk in the weeks before Dareus was traded was about how well he was playing and how the seemingly impossible was happening...........McD and Dareus were coexisting and thriving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Nah. Dareus played well for McD. The talk in the weeks before Dareus was traded was about how well he was playing and how the seemingly impossible was happening...........McD and Dareus were coexisting and thriving. Not arguing, just curious.....so why did they ship him out? Was it all about the cap? It’s a shame he couldn’t stay focused, because he has the talent to earn that contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Augie said: Not arguing, just curious.....so why did they ship him out? Was it all about the cap? It’s a shame he couldn’t stay focused, because he has the talent to earn that contract. McD wasn't satisfied with the degree of buy-in. I don't know if he was drinking his own koolaid and thought he could scheme around the loss of Dareus or what.........but if so the subsequent humiliation would explain the HEAVY investment made this offseason to get the defense back to their early 2017 season level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: McD wasn't satisfied with the degree of buy-in. I don't know if he was drinking his own koolaid and thought he could scheme around the loss of Dareus or what.........but if so the subsequent humiliation would explain the HEAVY investment made this offseason to get the defense back to their early 2017 season level. What's your definition of heavy? Investment in Star is just a bit over one half of what it cost to keep Dareus. I'd say a decent return without the distraction and possiblity of one more strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: McD wasn't satisfied with the degree of buy-in. I don't know if he was drinking his own koolaid and thought he could scheme around the loss of Dareus or what.........but if so the subsequent humiliation would explain the HEAVY investment made this offseason to get the defense back to their early 2017 season level. Again, not arguing but the bold doesn’t seem to match with “ McD and Dareus were coexisting and thriving.” We’ll never know, and it’s water under the bridge, so I just hope we use the new cap space and picks wisely to build something special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, GG said: What's your definition of heavy? Investment in Star is just a bit over one half of what it cost to keep Dareus. I'd say a decent return without the distraction and possiblity of one more strike. Cap figure - cost to get rid of = cost to keep Dareus base salary(cost to keep) for this season was scheduled to be a bit over $9M. Star's new deal averages $10M per. $10M is considerably more than half of $9M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 29 minutes ago, Augie said: Again, not arguing but the bold doesn’t seem to match with “ McD and Dareus were coexisting and thriving.” We’ll never know, and it’s water under the bridge, so I just hope we use the new cap space and picks wisely to build something special. Yep.......but then conventional wisdom is "if it ain't broke don't fix it". It clearly wasn't broke.........the team was playing their ***** off and was a pretty deserving 5-2.........and even thisclose to being 6-1 (if Zay doesn't stumble out of his break in Carolina). That was the first move to almost instantly explode in McBeane's face...........all the other dumb moves took actual time to flesh out as bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 This thread is now just weirdly off topic 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 4 hours ago, Augie said: Not arguing, just curious.....so why did they ship him out? Was it all about the cap? It’s a shame he couldn’t stay focused, because he has the talent to earn that contract. Herpes are nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 7 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Yes they do. And he did try to work with Dareus. And Dareus did not want to listen. He just brought this Phillips guy in at DT and he played pretty well his first game after essentially getting thrown out of Miami. Shady is not exactly the most stable personality on the planet and McD has no problem with him. Benjamin is another - why is it people scream about how they should have let KB go after last week for his lack of effort, but when Dareus didn't give effort they should have coddled him? In general, I don't think McD has a problem with guys as long as they focus on football, do their work in the room and in the field. Dedicate themselves. Are we really at the point where that is too much to ask? Im not disagreeing with you but Lazy Dareus > Sloth Benjamin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: This thread is now just weirdly off topic You don't see the connection of Allen's injured elbow and Dareus' lazy arse? Neither do I. And I thought Tangent was a city in Oregon. Silly me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: This thread is now just weirdly off topic they should cap the pages in a thread to 20 pages max, because after that all we get are food recipes, hidden links to Peter Pan, and references to Dunkirk Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 5 hours ago, Mrbojanglezs said: they should cap the pages in a thread to 20 pages max, because after that all we get are food recipes, hidden links to Peter Pan, and references to Dunkirk Don And as Dunkirk Don would say, "Don't forget to connect the dots." 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, K-9 said: And as Dunkirk Don would say, "Don't forget to connect the dots." Trifecta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Trifecta That's what I was aiming for. C'mon, not even a chuckle? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaccof Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 So how exactly did he injure it? I've seen the video but doesn't look like he got hit or hit a helmet. Or is it just "one of those things"? That would concern me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, chaccof said: So how exactly did he injure it? I've seen the video but doesn't look like he got hit or hit a helmet. Or is it just "one of those things"? That would concern me. He got hit by Mercilus and Clowney at the same time Quote In true Bills fashion, QB Josh Allen suffered a UCL (ulnar collateral ligament) injury to the elbow. This was the result of a bang bang play as Allen got hit from the left by Clowney, followed by Mercilus hit from the right, coming up underneath, hyperextending the rookie’s elbow. The reason it was the UCL that was injured was due to where the force came from. It came from below and outside the arm, pushing the inner portion of the arm up and out via the hyperextension, partially tearing the ligament. https://bangedupbills.com/2018/10/16/week-6-bills-injury-review-texans-and-allens-elbow/ Edited October 20, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commish Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 and this thread has veered, atypically, back on topic... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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