BeginnersMind Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Tim Ryan has a better shot at picking up votes in Western PA. Steve Bullock isn't bat schitt crazy (or at least hasn't gone BSC yet), which plays well in the rust belt. Biden's "political ties" to PA could haunt him as it paints him as a career politician Gotta remember that PA isn't a single political culture. Philly is an East Coast city. Pittsburgh and Erie are midwest. Pennsyltucky is, well Pennsyltucky. Agree that as goes PA, so goes the Electoral College I am dismissing the 1% crew as having no shot but I agree that they and others still officially in the race could win PA. PA could only be won by a moderate Dem and they are in short supply and to BGal’s point, attacking coal and fracking at the debate is not to Joe’s advantage. Still, of the candidates likely to win the D nomination, Biden gives them the best shot at it. Edited August 2, 2019 by BeginnersMind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: "unrelated to her campaign" uh huh, suuuuurrrrre 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Freely available data that can be requested and published by anyone is ... Orwellian? I wonder what Fox news update turned Trump and you onto this silliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Bill de Blasio makes fliers wait on tarmac so he can rush to ‘The View’ by Julia Marsh Original Article Mayor Bill de Blasio made Delta passengers wait in their seats on the tarmac at LaGuardia Airport for 10 minutes Thursday after flying back from his less-than-stellar performance in the Detroit debate — so that he and his security detail could deplane first. But it wasn’t a pressing matter related to City Hall or the potential firing of Eric Garner chokehold cop Daniel Pantaleo that necessitated the inconvenience to his fellow passengers — de Blasio had to rush off to tape an appearance on ABC’s “The View.” And passengers on Flight 788 were not pleased. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 24 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Freely available data that can be requested and published by anyone is ... Orwellian? I wonder what Fox news update turned Trump and you onto this silliness. How quickly can you get a FOIA fulfilled vs searching a website? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: How quickly can you get a FOIA fulfilled vs searching a website? Hey now.....................................none of that common sense ! It just confuses Leftists. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: How quickly can you get a FOIA fulfilled vs searching a website? Love that you got thumbs up on this. You can request the data. You don’t need to file a FOIA request. Or maybe requiring sending an email request is Orwellian. 15 minutes ago, B-Man said: Hey now.....................................none of that common sense ! It just confuses Leftists. . You should file a FOIA request. I’ll just do this. “Callison added that the documents are still available upon request via email to data.requests@cdcr.ca.gov.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 minute ago, BeginnersMind said: Love that you got thumbs up on this. You can request the data. You don’t need to file a FOIA request. Or maybe requiring sending an email request is Orwellian. What is faster? Sending an email with a specific request (we won't even go into the "how do I know what to request?") or searching a website? No matter how you try and say "oh you ONLY have to do THIS" it is still an additional hoop to jump through, step to make, additional waiting time (if they don't get backed up with requests), and possible denial, away - instead of simply searching the website. Now the question is, what are they trying to hide? Cue oooooh-oooooh-wee music. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 22 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: What is faster? Sending an email with a specific request (we won't even go into the "how do I know what to request?") or searching a website? No matter how you try and say "oh you ONLY have to do THIS" it is still an additional hoop to jump through, step to make, additional waiting time (if they don't get backed up with requests), and possible denial, away - instead of simply searching the website. Now the question is, what are they trying to hide? Cue oooooh-oooooh-wee music. ? Sounds truly Orwellian Bgal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Funny stuff coming from a guy who served in "the most transparent administration in history" (unless you're an inspector general or a citizen of course) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 This is actually a picture of the FOIA forms that you need to fill out to see Joe's records...........? . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 THE KNIVES ARE OUT: Tulsi Gabbard Is No Peacenik: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted August 2, 2019 Author Share Posted August 2, 2019 3 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: Love that you got thumbs up on this. You can request the data. You don’t need to file a FOIA request. Or maybe requiring sending an email request is Orwellian. You should file a FOIA request. I’ll just do this. “Callison added that the documents are still available upon request via email to data.requests@cdcr.ca.gov.” You don't see the difference between anonymous searches for information vs. requests made to a gatekeeper who can (a) keep track of anyone who makes a request, and (b) potentially hold back information without the requester knowing it? One is less "free" than the other, no? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 minute ago, snafu said: You don't see the difference between anonymous searches for information vs. requests made to a gatekeeper who can (a) keep track of anyone who makes a request, and (b) potentially hold back information without the requester knowing it? One is less "free" than the other, no? You guys are awesome. Keep it up. The media can get the data data and publish it. Like everyone could yesterday. Not everyone one is out to get you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: You guys are awesome. Keep it up. The media can get the data data and publish it. Like everyone could yesterday. Not everyone one is out to get you. You simply can't, or won't, answer the question will you ?? You can eventually get the information, but it is now a step more for you to do..........................YES or NO ? IF YOU LIKE YOUR PLAN, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR PLAN: CNN Host Gets Kamala Harris To Admit She’s Taking Away Your Employer-Provided Health Insurance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted August 2, 2019 Author Share Posted August 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: You guys are awesome. Keep it up. The media can get the data data and publish it. Like everyone could yesterday. Not everyone one is out to get you. Who the eff are "you guys"? I am me. Others are who they are. Keep that straight. Back to your crusading, yes? This isn't a case of anyone out to "get" anyone else. It appears to clearly be a case of someone trying to protect someone else. It is an obvious move to make getting the information more difficult today than it was yesterday. I'll take your response to my question as a "no". You don't see the difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Of course it’s harder to get today, but it doesn’t require a FOIA request like Bgal said and it’s not Orwellian. Plus this is just a data store. “These reports provide important information on demographics, sentence length, offense type, and other figures relevant to criminal justice and incarceration.” I’m sure that you were planning on compiling all this data into some good excel charts at home. The media, left and right, and campaigns left and right, can still put together any chart they want. If if you get the data, you can put it on your server and tweet the link to the world. Every act is not a boogeyman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 2 hours ago, B-Man said: That's true. It's the only explanation of why a Hillary/Kaine ticket and the excitement that came with it didn't carry the state by a healthy margin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: That's true. It's the only explanation of why a Hillary/Kaine ticket and the excitement that came with it didn't carry the state by a healthy margin. He must be so disappointed. A year ago, he seemed like the chosen one for 2020. Now he can't break through the top 5. Glad we're seeing why. He's desperately grasping at anything now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Of course it’s harder to get today, but it doesn’t require a FOIA request like Bgal said and it’s not Orwellian. Plus this is just a data store. “These reports provide important information on demographics, sentence length, offense type, and other figures relevant to criminal justice and incarceration.” I’m sure that you were planning on compiling all this data into some good excel charts at home. The media, left and right, and campaigns left and right, can still put together any chart they want. If if you get the data, you can put it on your server and tweet the link to the world. Every act is not a boogeyman. You do not know it will not need a FOIA request. The email may be all you need. On the other hand, what is to prevent CA from slow walking requests? Telling the person/entity requesting to pound sand? Claiming the emails were never received? The next step would be... a FOIA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: You do not know it will not need a FOIA request. The email may be all you need. On the other hand, what is to prevent CA from slow walking requests? Telling the person/entity requesting to pound sand? Claiming the emails were never received? The next step would be... a FOIA. Sigh. I also don't know if they will request 32 forms of ID. I go off what the single story you linked says, which is that the data (which is not the sexist data) that is no doubt already in the hands of many outside of CA government, can still be in the hands of many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Just now, BeginnersMind said: Sigh. I also don't know if they will request 32 forms of ID. I go off what the single story you linked says, which is that the data (which is not the sexist data) that is no doubt already in the hands of many outside of CA government, can still be in the hands of many. I would hope all the opposition (of both parties) has everything downloaded and ready to roll out in negative ads (assuming there is something negative to be had). That still does not make the information readily available to the average schlepp. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted August 2, 2019 Author Share Posted August 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I would hope all the opposition (of both parties) has everything downloaded and ready to roll out in negative ads (assuming there is something negative to be had). That still does not make the information readily available to the average schlepp. Right. We live in the information age -- until we don't. And you and I independently came to the same conclusion about that -- which makes us "you guys". I'd rather be a "you guy" than a "that guy". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I would hope all the opposition (of both parties) has everything downloaded and ready to roll out in negative ads (assuming there is something negative to be had). That still does not make the information readily available to the average schlepp. You were planning on going through statistical data for California convictions? Before or after South Bend? I kid I kid. Only DR has that much free time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, snafu said: Right. We live in the information age -- until we don't. And you and I independently came to the same conclusion about that -- which makes us "you guys". I'd rather be a "you guy" than a "that guy". Proving again he's a child. Not worth the time to engage let alone read his drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 39 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: That's true. It's the only explanation of why a Hillary/Kaine ticket and the excitement that came with it didn't carry the state by a healthy margin. Sounds like "What Happened" needs another addendum/publishing run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 39 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: You were planning on going through statistical data for California convictions? Before or after South Bend? I kid I kid. Only DR has that much free time. You don't write for a living, do you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: You don't write for a living, do you? (and -- my process) Stage 1: (Five minutes later) Then, later that night what I tell myself: 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: You don't write for a living, do you? Yes...but not in the same way as him. Edited August 2, 2019 by BeginnersMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 32 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: You don't write for a living, do you? 15 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Yes...but not in the same way as him. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Pardon me if I post about the 2020 candidates.......... Witches for Marianne Williamson! Really. Blue-on-Blue Violence 2nd debate evaluation 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Just now, B-Man said: Pardon me if I post about the 2020 candidates.......... Witches for Marianne Williamson! Really. Blue-on-Blue Violence 2nd debate evaluation I wanna find the Anderson Cooper interview she yesterday. Now she is "controversial" because she is against anti-depressants. I don't agree with her, I am just O.o at the labeling... she's said some batshit crazy things to date, but this is what gets her views labeled controversial? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 socialism... amiright?? https://twitter.com/BLaw/status/1153752825148727296 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Foxx said: socialism... amiright?? https://twitter.com/BLaw/status/1153752825148727296 ...Jesus, Vermont continually elects two real gems...Bernie and Leahy.......SMH..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Foxx said: socialism... amiright?? https://twitter.com/BLaw/status/1153752825148727296 Y'know...people keep telling me that socialism is pro-union, and the Nazis weren't socialist because they broke the labor unions. And I keep reminding people that in socialism, the government represents the interests of labor, and socialists are fundamentally anti-union because the break the unions and seek to control labor through their own organization, as the Nazis did with the Reich Labor Front (and the Russians did, and the Cambodians, etc.) And the socialists keep proving me right. And denying it by saying "Well, that wasn't real socialism. But hold my beer and watch this..." 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 ....................... .............. . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 When you lose Maher... maybe you've gone far enough left. (Trying to talk themselves into liking Joe -- who has zero shot to win a general) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Love and compassion on display by the non-racist left... wait, did I say non-racist? Nothing like an old white man calling a woman of color an Uncle Tom. That's not racist, right? Because she's a conservative it's allowed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 More love from the left -- "who cares if people lose jobs, they're the little people. ***** them and ***** Trump!" Rooting against your country is a good look, Bill. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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