Syracuse Basketball 2023-24

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

I don’t see why Buddy can’t be the primary SG.  He has grown so much.  He hustles, plays good defense, and can hit shots.  I’d take Tyus and Buddy over Howard and Tyus all day right now.

 

I want Howard to return to form just as much as anyone, BTW.  I’ve seen spurts from him, but he has looked worse and worse as of late.  I think injury plays a role, but I also think FH has character issues that make it difficult for him to overcome adversity.  Put the best 5 on the floor.

He has definitely grown and can shoot the rock 

 

but I think there is a reason Jimmy Boeheim only gave him 4-5 minutes vs Duke and V Tech, Clemson ...

 

he knows he will struggle vs an aggressive defense rn 

 

so he picks his spots to play him 

[section122]

50 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Because I don’t think BB can be a primary SG rn ... only against certain teams with a certain  style of defense 

 

unless you roll with 

 

1) Tyus

2)Hughes 

3)Brissett

4)Dolezaj 

5)Chukwu

 

i can see that working 

 

This lineup would need more shooting imo.  However it highlights the issue with Cuse.  Battle, Brissett, and Hughes are a great 3 headed monster to lead a team.  However there is no answer for the other positions.

 

I like Dolezaj's willingness to take a charge.  I wish he was that aggressive on offense though.  Last year he was all hustle all the time this year it seems like he isn't going 1000 miles and hour.  

 

21 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He has definitely grown and can shoot the rock 

 

but I think there is a reason Jimmy Boeheim only gave him 4-5 minutes vs Duke and V Tech, Clemson ...

 

he knows he will struggle vs an aggressive defense rn 

 

so he picks his spots to play him 

 

Buddy is much better than Trevor Cooney at this point in there careers and Cooney got a ton of run.  I'm not saying Buddy needs to play 30+ minutes but he gives at least a deep threat you have to respect.  I wondered last night at the game if he is harder on Buddy pt wise than other players.  Imo Buddy has played better than Jalen Carey this year and should get all of those minutes but I understand they are trying Carey as more of a pg.

 

I was really high on this team in the preseason and start of the season but the trip to MSG showed some serious flaws in the makeup of the team and I think we continue to see that.  I thought by now they would have figured it out and they have at times but consistency is sorely lacking.

 

1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

You have to bench Howard when he is playing like he currently is.  He’s been flat out terrible in every facet of the game, and his effort out there (especially on defense) is deplorable.

 

I agree we need Howard to play well, but if he continues to be a detriment to the team...roll with Battle and Boeheim.  

 

JB pulls Battle for Howard (seemingly to give Tyus a brief rest) down by 1 point and look what happened?!  Two quick turnovers by Howard and very quickly we are out of the game again.

 

I don’t know what happened to Howard between last season and this one, but he really, really sucks right now.  Also, the getting over the injury excuse is growing old.

 

I have a theory (completely unsubstantiated).

 

Howard's terrible attitude has caused problems on this team.  Watching the guys when Buddy is on the floor and they are high fiving each other.  Not so much when Frank is out there.  I also wonder if the early season struggles where everyone though "just wait for Frank" went to his head.  

 

Whatever it is this team will go as he goes as you said earlier but I would love to see Jimmy give more quick hooks and long benchings until guys decide to give 100% effort at all times.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

2 hours ago, section122 said:

I have a theory (completely unsubstantiated).

 

Howard's terrible attitude has caused problems on this team.  Watching the guys when Buddy is on the floor and they are high fiving each other.  Not so much when Frank is out there.  I also wonder if the early season struggles where everyone though "just wait for Frank" went to his head.  

 

Whatever it is this team will go as he goes as you said earlier but I would love to see Jimmy give more quick hooks and long benchings until guys decide to give 100% effort at all times.

 

I don’t know of any specific “turmoil” caused by FH this season, but anyone who followed this thread in the past knows that Frank caused a lot of problems during his sophomore season.  

 

A lot of people speculated that FH was one of the reasons that Hop jumped ship for UW when he did.  Frank did some stupid *****, divided the team and contributed to losing a major 5* recruit....Hop wanted Frank kicked off the team and Boeheim didn’t.  

 

Certainly not the only reason Hop left when he did, but those “in the know” know that Hop and JB had a major, major disagreement about Frank.

 

I’ve gone from thinking this team is going to live and die by Frank Howard to thinking (especially after watching the Buddy-Tyus tandem over the last few games) we should just move on.  As you mentioned, there is a noticeable difference in the team when Frank is out there.  His attitude sucks, he doesn’t hustle, and he doesn’t play defense.

 

Start Tyus at PG, Buddy at SG, and have Jalen Carey spell Tyus at the point.  Hughes can play SG too.  

[Johnny Hammersticks]

 

???

[Buffalo716]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nunesmagician.com/platform/amp/2019/2/6/18213218/frank-howard-injury-syracuse-florida-state-seminoles-orange-ncaa-basketball-jim-boeheim-tyus-battle

 

highlighting some of the negatives of Howard ... while still showing why he is so valuable 

 

people said his D is bad this year but the Orange only allow 95.7 points per 100 possessions when he’s on court... 5 better than LAST YEAR

 

his Defensive box +- is +2.0... Tyus is only .9...

 

while buddy is -1.1

 

he commits dumb fouls but is still a key defender for The Orange 

 

HE NEEDS TO PICK UP HIS OFFENSIVE GANE... which is struggling 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nunesmagician.com/platform/amp/2019/2/6/18213218/frank-howard-injury-syracuse-florida-state-seminoles-orange-ncaa-basketball-jim-boeheim-tyus-battle

 

highlighting some of the negatives of Howard ... while still showing why he is so valuable 

 

people said his D is bad this year but the Orange only allow 95.7 points per 100 possessions when he’s on court... 5 better than LAST YEAR

 

his Defensive box +- is +2.0... Tyus is only .9...

 

while buddy is -1.1

 

he commits dumb fouls but is still a key defender for The Orange 

 

HE NEEDS TO PICK UP HIS OFFENSIVE GANE... which is struggling 

 

He also needs to stop turning the damn ball over so much.  I’d love to have Howard return to form, but right now he is a detriment to his team.  

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

He also needs to stop turning the damn ball over so much.  I’d love to have Howard return to form, but right now he is a detriment to his team.  

 

You are right when he’s bad he’s BAD and a SR shouldn’t be committing those dumb turnovers...

 

you are right that he seems to get into his own head and can’t fight through adversity 

 

but i hope he can

[Johnny Hammersticks]

37 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

You are right when he’s bad he’s BAD and a SR shouldn’t be committing those dumb turnovers...

 

you are right that he seems to get into his own head and can’t fight through adversity 

 

but i hope he can

 

Me too brotha.  He was crucial to our tourney run last year.  I’m certainly not rooting against him.  Merely thinking about worst case scenario I guess.

[Buffalo716]

On 2/7/2019 at 5:27 PM, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Me too brotha.  He was crucial to our tourney run last year.  I’m certainly not rooting against him.  Merely thinking about worst case scenario I guess.

What do you think the PG, SG depth chart will look like next year?

 

Carey, Buddy, Howard Washington coming back , not to mention JGIII

[row_33]

Virginia looking good at Chapel Hill

 

rare play as UNC forced a turnover leading to a 2 Heel chase for an easy layup, but the shot clock ran out on UVA before UNC could secure possession

[row_33]

Cabs hold on for the win, their PG looked to be about 5’3 and 80 pounds and 10 years old

 

 

[sherpa]

5 hours ago, row_33 said:

Cabs hold on for the win, their PG looked to be about 5’3 and 80 pounds and 10 years old

 

 

Ty Jerome is the Virginia point guard, and he's 6'5.

 

If you're talking about Kyle Guy, he's 6'2.

 

Together, they are clearly one of the best back courts in the country.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

17 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

What do you think the PG, SG depth chart will look like next year?

 

Carey, Buddy, Howard Washington coming back , not to mention JGIII

 

Ideally, Jalen Carey makes strides and can play PG with JG3/Buddy at SG.  Girard is not a true PG, but I believe he could run the point if JB needed him to.  But that would be taking away from his strength as a spot shooter.  

 

I think Buddy will be too valuable to keep off the floor, and can play the 2 or 3 if needed.  Don’t forget about Brycen Goodine who could push for minutes at G.  Been hearing great things about him.  I don’t know what to make of Washington.  Seems like he was recruited over when they landed Carey.  I think it would be in his best interest to transfer, honestly.

[row_33]

4 hours ago, sherpa said:

Ty Jerome is the Virginia point guard, and he's 6'5.

 

If you're talking about Kyle Guy, he's 6'2.

 

Together, they are clearly one of the best back courts in the country.

 

He was totally outsized by guard White last night, who must be 6’8 280 by your dimensions

 

we saw what the Cavs did last year when it mattered

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

 

He was totally outsized by guard White last night, who must be 6’8 280 by your dimensions

 

we saw what the Cavs did last year when it mattered

 

They're not "my dimensions," and losing in their opener last year had little impact on their size.

Further, the season and the ACC tournament "matter."

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Ideally, Jalen Carey makes strides and can play PG with JG3/Buddy at SG.  Girard is not a true PG, but I believe he could run the point if JB needed him to.  But that would be taking away from his strength as a spot shooter.  

 

I think Buddy will be too valuable to keep off the floor, and can play the 2 or 3 if needed.  Don’t forget about Brycen Goodine who could push for minutes at G.  Been hearing great things about him.  I don’t know what to make of Washington.  Seems like he was recruited over when they landed Carey.  I think it would be in his best interest to transfer, honestly.

I can’t see Howard Washington transferring. He is a Buffalo boy who’s  dream was Syracuse ...

 

Atleast he is a true PG... as of now Carey is a combo guard though has way more skill

[sherpa]

4 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

He was totally outsized by guard White last night, who must be 6’8 280 by your dimensions

 

we saw what the Cavs did last year when it mattered

 

I've been thinking about this comment all day, and I think I've figured out what the issue is.

Did you watch the entire game?

 

Virginia did something unusual last night. They started Kihea Clark, who is 5'9", as part of a three guard lineup.

 

They quickly went to their usual two guard set,  Ty Jerome and Kyle Guy, whose "dimensions" are what I have posted.

 

Jerome, at 6'5", is their point guard.

 

Interesting you bring up White though.

I thought he singularly screwed up the last three UNC possessions.

 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

I can’t see Howard Washington transferring. He is a Buffalo boy who’s  dream was Syracuse ...

 

Atleast he is a true PG... as of now Carey is a combo guard though has way more skill

 

Where does Howard Washington fit in there?  If Jalen Carey was getting minutes ahead of him at PG as a freshman?  It would probably be in HW’s best interest to transfer.  The log-jam at guard is only going to get worse.

[Buffalo716]

17 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Where does Howard Washington fit in there?  If Jalen Carey was getting minutes ahead of him at PG as a freshman?  It would probably be in HW’s best interest to transfer.  The log-jam at guard is only going to get worse.

 

I know you know that Howard tore his acl and is redshirting because he wasn’t fully back.. I do believe he would be playing the backup point over Carey this season... Carey is in the doghouse and looks way more like a slasher than a true PG rn

 

Howard may lack those physical gifts but he can run a true Point... the staff compared him to a Tyler Ennis type... not the same caliber but same style... that’s a true pg

 

IF Carey improves his natural PG skills by a lot than I can see Howard having little time on the floor.. but if Carey is lookin like this year , next season , there will be playing time for Washington 

 

I know everybody loved the Carey recruitment but he’s been pretty bad so far...

 

and yes yes I know scoop and Frank struggled... but let’s be real you don’t like frank... And everyone had lots of hope For Carey 

 

i do hope Carey figures it out, sooner than later ??

 

like tourney time

Edited February 12, 2019 by Buffalo716

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Agree to disagree.  I think HW is odd man out next season with Carey and perhaps JG3 getting time ahead of him at PG.  Especially with Goodine in the mix.  Again, wouldn’t be stunned to see HW transfer.

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Agree to disagree.  I think HW is odd man out next season with Carey and perhaps JG3 getting time ahead of him at PG.  Especially with Goodine in the mix.  Again, wouldn’t be stunned to see HW transfer.

Goodine is a slashing SG , he won’t be playing the 1 though I really like him

 

Carey needs to get a lot better rn buddy... he’s not a starting ACC pg rn. He looks like a slasher  cg . I can see JGIII playing a lot of point

Edited February 12, 2019 by Buffalo716

[Johnny Hammersticks]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Goodine is a slashing SG , he won’t be playing the 1 though I really like him

 

Carey needs to get a lot better rn buddy... he’s not a starting ACC pg rn. He looks like a slasher  cg . I can see JGIII playing a lot of point

 

G-Mac did say that he was recruiting JG3 as a PG even though he was a SG in HS.  I think he would do fine there.  Although, I will say that Carey could and probably will make a huge jump from year 1 to year 2.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

G-Mac did say that he was recruiting JG3 as a PG even though he was a SG in HS.  I think he would do fine there.  Although, I will say that Carey could and probably will make a huge jump from year 1 to year 2.

You know I love Cuse buddy and I absolutely can see Carey making a huge jump.. I’m just a little underwhelmed this year 

 

his handles and quickness are elite

[Johnny Hammersticks]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You know I love Cuse buddy and I absolutely can see Carey making a huge jump.. I’m just a little underwhelmed this year 

 

his handles and quickness are elite

 

I think the stage is just a little big for him right now.  He has the tools.  We shall see.  I’d be happy with JG3 playing PG next year if it pans out that way.

 

That said, I’m not 100% sure Tyus Battle goes pro after this season.  Every NBA scouting site I’ve looked at has him as a mid 2nd round pick.  Maybe he plays it smart and gets his degree?  I think Brissett is actually the better NBA prospect (based on ceiling).  Thoughts?

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

I think the stage is just a little big for him right now.  He has the tools.  We shall see.  I’d be happy with JG3 playing PG next year if it pans out that way.

 

That said, I’m not 100% sure Tyus Battle goes pro after this season.  Every NBA scouting site I’ve looked at has him as a mid 2nd round pick.  Maybe he plays it smart and gets his degree?  I think Brissett is actually the better NBA prospect (based on ceiling).  Thoughts?

Tyus is a weird one... I know he isn’t getting mocked very high... but he always said it’s not about WHAT ROUND he was drafted... but having a long career 

 

he has been extremely clutch in his SU career and that will translate well to the pros... same with his ability to shoot off the dribble and finish with both hands

 

I think Brissett will be drafted when he declares but he needs to work on his finishing abilities 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Syracuse still trying to land a C/PF for the 2019 class.  Kind of late in the game, but Tre Mitchell would be a good commit.

 

 

https://cnycentral.com/sports/college/syracuse-basketball-offers-new-center-top-100-recruit

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Syracuse still trying to land a C/PF for the 2019 class.  Kind of late in the game, but Tre Mitchell would be a good commit.

 

 

https://cnycentral.com/sports/college/syracuse-basketball-offers-new-center-top-100-recruit

https://247sports.com/player/dimon-carrigan-46042909/

 

what do you know about the prospects of signing JC star Carrigan?

[The Poojer]

I didn't realize "Paschal Chukwu's future with the Orange questionable at best"....

 

 

15 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Syracuse still trying to land a C/PF for the 2019 class.  Kind of late in the game, but Tre Mitchell would be a good commit.

 

 

https://cnycentral.com/sports/college/syracuse-basketball-offers-new-center-top-100-recruit

[Buffalo716]

Just now, The Poojer said:

I didn't realize "Paschal Chukwu's future with the Orange questionable at best"....

 

 

Well he is technically a RS SR I believe but SU can petition for a medical RS because of his eye issues which made him miss a season 

[The Poojer]

ahhh....kinda forgot about all that.  Thanks.

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Well he is technically a RS SR I believe but SU can petition for a medical RS because of his eye issues which made him miss a season 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

https://247sports.com/player/dimon-carrigan-46042909/

 

what do you know about the prospects of signing JC star Carrigan?

 

From what I have been hearing, Dimon has an offer from Syracuse but is likely to commit to Houston.  That is the prevailing opinion as of right now, as Houston is throwing everything at him as if he were a 5* for some reason.

 

He’s extremely limited offensively.  I think he’s putting up a mere 3 or 4 ppg in JuCo.  I can’t imagine he would provide anything more than rebounding/shot blocking.  We can do better, IMO, with Braswell and JBA being in the fold already.  We desperately need a low post presence.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

From what I have been hearing, Dimon has an offer from Syracuse but is likely to commit to Houston.  That is the prevailing opinion as of right now, as Houston is throwing everything at him as if he were a 5* for some reason.

 

He’s extremely limited offensively.  I think he’s putting up a mere 3 or 4 ppg in JuCo.  I can’t imagine he would provide anything more than rebounding/shot blocking.  We can do better, IMO, with Braswell and JBA being in the fold already.  We desperately need a low post presence.

So he’s isnt a scorer? I assumed being the #1 JUCO PF he could put the rock in the net

[DCOrange]

22 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

I think the stage is just a little big for him right now.  He has the tools.  We shall see.  I’d be happy with JG3 playing PG next year if it pans out that way.

 

That said, I’m not 100% sure Tyus Battle goes pro after this season.  Every NBA scouting site I’ve looked at has him as a mid 2nd round pick.  Maybe he plays it smart and gets his degree?  I think Brissett is actually the better NBA prospect (based on ceiling).  Thoughts?

 

I think both are poor NBA prospects but would easily take Battle over Brissett. I suppose Brissett might have a higher ceiling but he shows no signs of remotely approaching that so far. Hard to remember a guy with his size and athleticism that's so bad finishing at the rim. He's 6'8" and a tank and he finishes in traffic worse than most PGs do. To me, Brissett is not a draftable prospect right now; you could talk yourself into Battle with a 2nd round pick.

 

The biggest issue with Battle is that his offensive game is kinda outdated for the NBA; not a good 3 point shooter/has that hitch in his shot and he feasts on contested mid-range shots. On top of that, he doesn't have much of a chance to show his defensive abilities as part of the zone defense, he doesn't rebound, and he's still very much a work-in-progress as a passer. But all that said, there's at least hope that he's athletic enough to become a solid defender who can also get to the rim and finish (where he's among the best in the country I believe) and create his own jumper. Feels like if he can become a solid defender, he could have a role off the bench for someone. If Battle tests well athletically and shows a willingness to compete defensively, I think he has a chance to get himself drafted; Brissett seems like a disappointing longshot ala Tyler Roberson at the moment.

[DCOrange]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

So he’s isnt a scorer? I assumed being the #1 JUCO PF he could put the rock in the net

 

Nope. He's just a bench player in JUCO and even extrapolating his stats out for a 40 minute per game role, he'd only be averaging 9 points and 12 rebounds and he's only shooting 47% from the field.

 

On the flipside, the JUCO he played for the year prior, he averaged 20 points and 18 rebounds per game while shooting a more respectable 55% from the field.

 

Even in high school, he wasn't known for his scoring ability; it was his defense that had people excited. I think he was statistically the best shot blocker in EYBL history (one of the big AAU circuits).

 

If we're looking for someone that can generate some offense as a big man, Tre Mitchell is much more of that type.

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

Nope. He's just a bench player in JUCO and even extrapolating his stats out for a 40 minute per game role, he'd only be averaging 9 points and 12 rebounds and he's only shooting 47% from the field.

 

On the flipside, the JUCO he played for the year prior, he averaged 20 points and 18 rebounds per game while shooting a more respectable 55% from the field.

 

Even in high school, he wasn't known for his scoring ability; it was his defense that had people excited. I think he was statistically the best shot blocker in EYBL history (one of the big AAU circuits).

 

If we're looking for someone that can generate some offense as a big man, Tre Mitchell is much more of that type.

Yea I know what the EYBL league is ...

 

I just figured he was a scorer which is what the Orange need down low

Edited February 13, 2019 by Buffalo716

[Buffalo716]

Big game for CUSE tonight 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

33 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Big game for CUSE tonight 

 

HUGE!  Gotta get those ACC wins on the road.

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

HUGE!  Gotta get those ACC wins on the road.

Pretty much all tier 1 games besides BC...

 

ACC Road wins are HUGE and something we are not lacking thankfully 

[Bray Wyatt]

Didnt get to watch the game but based on the score it looks like we had a bad shooting night

[eball]

1 hour ago, Bray Wyatt said:

Didnt get to watch the game but based on the score it looks like we had a bad shooting night

 

35-34 2:00 into the 2nd half, then State pulled away.