Bray Wyatt Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: Exactly. He played like a rookie yesterday. A rookie who was asked to pass way too much and thrust into a predictable offense way too early. He took a lot of hits and bounced back up every time. And he didn't quit. Onto the next game. I still dont know how we didnt run it more. I think we only had 11 rushes all game against the 26th rush defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Just now, Bray Wyatt said: I still dont know how we didnt run it more. I think we only had 11 rushes all game against the 26th rush defense It's been a mystery for 3 out of 4 games. The play calling makes it seem like Daboll thinks he has Drew !@#$ing Brees out there. It's atrocious. Allen had a bad game. The INT in the endzone changed the game from being 13-3 to being 16-0. I'm not here to make excuses for the kid - but goddamn - abandoning the run before the game even !@#$ing started didn't do him any favors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: It's been a mystery for 3 out of 4 games. The play calling makes it seem like Daboll thinks he has Drew !@#$ing Brees out there. It's atrocious. Allen had a bad game. The INT in the endzone changed the game from being 13-3 to being 16-0. I'm not here to make excuses for the kid - but goddamn - abandoning the run before the game even !@#$ing started didn't do him any favors. Agreed on all of it. I wonder if they think having him pass more will speed up his development. It is the only thing I can think of as to why the play calling has been that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I have said over the years that buffalo destroys young QBs. Seems to be a habit. I do also agree though that barring critical injury, this oline and WR problem should not ruin him.if we can fix it in the next year or two. I suspect it's us that gets to these QBs. Us includes press and fans. Buffalo is hard on them and lacking patience maybe. This kid and this mgmt staff need at least until then end of next season before all of this negative, start over talk. How can we expect to have nice things when we run everyone out of town? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 A QB can only be ruined if they were never meant to be QB in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) I personally don't think a QB can be ruined. If Josh Allen is good enough, he will never be ruined Edited October 1, 2018 by Buffalo03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: There are going to be games like yesterday in Allen’s growth. What you want to see is more positive games than negative by the end of the year. And hopefully by the end of a year a string of good to great games linked together. He wasnt good yesterday Good post. He is a rookie QB with three starts on an offense with, perhaps, the least talent in the NFL, under an offensive coordinator, who has not had a great track record in regard to success. Allen wasn't good yesterday. Some of it was on him, some of it was on the disaster of an offensive unit that surrounded him, and some of it was on a game plan that looked, shall we say, a bit challenged from a creative perspective. Allen is a tough kid, mentally and physically, with a high ceiling. Whether he reaches that potential or not will depend on a lot of factors; however, I don't think adversity, in any form on the field, is going to ruin him. This team is going to be what most of us expected it to be this year and, IMHO, it was always going to be primarily about finding their franchise guy and developing him. It is baptism by fire, and, at this point, it is what it is. There is a long way to go and none of us knows how it will turn out. Might as well relax and root, throughout the rest of the year, for him to develop into what this team needs him to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelchlsm Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 This place is where players careers die. Allen never had a chance, he'll be the next backup in Oakland in 5 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I have no idea what they are trying to do on offense. Zero identity. We are certainly not a running team.. Why don't we throw quick hitters, screens, hooks... anything to get the ball out quicker. Once you have some success with that, you run some play action and push the ball downfield against single man coverage. Allen has no chance in this offense with this level of talent around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 hours ago, PeterDude said: But McDermott is a faith based coach, Pegula even said so! That has to count for something right? .... if that mattered to the Pegula's, then McDermott was hired for the wrong reasons and is in the wrong line of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 We have been accused of "ruining" QB's going back to Losman, Edwards & EJ. Not sure who is ruining who, the QB's we select, or the coaching staff we hire. Hopefully the BILLS get this figured out, and make some corrections. On the bright side, we do have one win for this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 7 hours ago, #34fan said: You draft a kid from a bottom-feeder conference who's know for his inaccuracy, THEN pair him up with a twice-failed OC, THEN put him behind possibly the worst O-line in football, armed with horrendous receivers... -Allen was DOA as far as I'm concerned... He never had a chance... The stench of this situation could linger around McBeane for a long time to come... Allen will be incredibly fortunate to escape this season without major injury. Thrice failed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I'm not saying that his baptism by fire will ruin him but I have a hard time seeing how this is good for his development. Andy Reid is said to be a QB whisperer and he sat PM for a year as he worked on mechanical issues that were seen as problems. Maybe he didn't have to and I get it that the Chiefs had a quality starter so it was perhaps a luxury they could afford. OTOH Reid also sat Donovan McNabb until later in his rookie year and all they had was Doug Pederson ahead of him. So it would seem that Reid prefers to marinade these guys before throwing them into the fire. In yesterday's telecast they said Coach had told them the night before that he was of the school of thought that says you can ruin a QB by starting him too early. If that's true I've got to think there is at least a disconnect between what the Bills believe and what they do. Earlier it was reported that when questioned about this Daboll said that the first thing they work on when Josh shows up in the morning is mechanical things and fundamentals. But given the demands on and off the field of in week game preparation I wonder if that gives him the time he really needs to work on these things. Developing good fundamentals is also absolutely essential to Allen's success. When he executes the basics properly, for an "inaccurate" QB he is deadly accurate (in a way that someone like EJ for example never was and that's why he's a better prospect). When he's running for his life is when he's inaccurate, even wildly so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 8 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Quarterbacks can't be ruined, for the 1,000th time. This has now been brought up in about 6 different threads. Josh Allen will rise to the level of his own ability, and stop there. How high that is remains to be seen. Would Brady be the GOAT if he was drafted by the Browns, Bills, Tampa Bay...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 18 minutes ago, iinii said: Would Brady be the GOAT if he was drafted by the Browns, Bills, Tampa Bay...... Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Fwiw all rookies lost yesterday http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/283260/0-for-4-ugly-sunday-for-rookies-mayfield-darnold-rosen-allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 3 hours ago, H2o said: This is incorrect as well. It's not due to poor offseason decisions. Their hands were tied due to dead cap. There was only so much money to spread around. Incognito losing his sh*t again then retiring, coupled with Wood's neck injury, and moving Glenn for draft capital made this OL what it is. Without that draft capital we don't get Allen and Edmunds. I would have spent the money they spent on Star other ways, but no one is going to agree with every move a FO makes. They brought in McCarron to be the bridge, but he didn't show much so they got a 5th for him. Steal by the FO. Peterman fooled everyone again and showed his true colors week 1. They were holding out hope from the 2nd year, 2nd rounder Zay Jones. They were hoping that Benjamin would step up and make some plays. Clay is still a decent receiving option. We still have Shady. I don't know what you expected, but Rookie QB's don't usually make All Pro their first season. You look for improvement mainly in recognizing defenses, manipulating the defense with their eyes, and how they operate in the pocket. The offensive gameplan against Minnesota was outstanding. Outside of that it has been pretty bad. He may sink in your opinion this year, but as long as you see improvemnt in the areas I already stated everyone should be encouraged. This offseason in 2019 will be the one they can actually start putting some pieces around him on the OL and at the skill positions. Like I said in other threads, I never expected much this year. I just want to see growth out of the young players. this team has not put Allen in any position to succeed. whether you'd like to point to the OL, the WRs, the OC...or even lack of mentor. all these factors are controlled by the front office, and they have failed Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Fwiw all rookies lost yesterday http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/283260/0-for-4-ugly-sunday-for-rookies-mayfield-darnold-rosen-allen Mayfield and Rosen looked good though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Fwiw all rookies lost yesterday http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/283260/0-for-4-ugly-sunday-for-rookies-mayfield-darnold-rosen-allen ha but all teams put points on the board, except... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 9 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Quarterbacks can't be ruined, for the 1,000th time. This has now been brought up in about 6 different threads. Josh Allen will rise to the level of his own ability, and stop there. How high that is remains to be seen. Just because you say something 1000 times doesn't make it true. Any people manager will tell you that all people develop differently. Some need to be coddled a bit before they can succeed, some need to brought along slowly, and some do better with just getting their butts dumped in the fire. Personally, I think Allen will be the latter. 9 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I generally think that is true, and EJ certainly wasn't ruined. But David Carr..... he might be the one example of a guy that was ruined. He got beaten up so bad his first year and a half he spent the rest of his career escaping from non existant pressure from clean pockets. I don't know David Carr would have been great.... but I know that he never had a chance the way his rookie year in Houston went. True. 5 hours ago, Gugny said: I've been waiting for a girl like you. So urgently. Urgent Urgent Urgent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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