Tiberius Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Anonymously, pretty wild https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage The Times today is taking the rare step of publishing an anonymous Op-Ed essay. We have done so at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure. We believe publishing this essay anonymously is the only way to deliver an important perspective to our readers. We invite you to submit a question about the essay or our vetting process here. President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader. It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall. The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations. I would know. I am one of them. To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous. But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic. That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Tough week for El Presidente. First the Woodward book and now the Op Ed which echoes the general theme of the excerpts I've seen from Fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 So says the NY Times. No longer any reason to believe the anti-Trump forces won't stoop to any level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 New York Times Aiming for 10 Million Subscribers as Profits Rise The Times managed to add more than 100,000 subscribers during the first quarter and profits are growing. The newspaper tallied an operating profit of $34.1 million, an increase of 22 percent, compared to the same quarter last year, on total revenue of $413.9 million, a 3.6 percent increase. https://wwd.com/business-news/media/new-york-times-profits-subscriptions-rise-in-q1-1202664521/ I was just curious after hearing Trump keep saying the failing NY Times 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Would help if there was a name to the op-ed. Seems a bit cowardice. A senior official encompasses a lot of people in government. Also, if you're bragging about saving the country by containing Trump my minimizing the chaos he unleashes, why would you write an op-ed that would create a chaotic situation in the White House? I think this helps Trump as this seems to be written by an establishment Republican (based on the content) many on the right loathe and distracts from the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 The anonymous source would need to go into the witness protection program from the extreme Trump supporters if identity became known. The country is growing further apart over Trump, forget any bipartisan cooperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 (edited) Oh, shock. One of the mouthpieces of the corrupt washington establishment comes out with another anonymously sourced article. Can there be any doubt these media outlets really ARE the enemies of the people? 11 minutes ago, ALF said: The anonymous source would need to go into the witness protection program from the extreme Trump supporters if identity became known. The country is growing further apart over Trump, forget any bipartisan cooperation. Has anyone ever told you that you're a disingenuous twat? Edited September 6, 2018 by joesixpack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 12 hours ago, Tiberius said: Anonymously, pretty wild https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage The Times today is taking the rare step of publishing an anonymous Op-Ed essay. We have done so at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure. We believe publishing this essay anonymously is the only way to deliver an important perspective to our readers. We invite you to submit a question about the essay or our vetting process here. President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader. It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall. The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations. I would know. I am one of them. To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous. But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic. That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office. 20124 is long time. Keep it up though, as this is all pure comedy now. Who needs to go to a comedy club for comedy? Just turn on the news and see the left continuing to lose their minds over this President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, njbuff said: 20124 is long time. Keep it up though, as this is all pure comedy now. Who needs to go to a comedy club for comedy? Just turn on the news and see the left continuing to lose their minds over this President. Yes it is. I'm confident he'll be out of office by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Oh crap. My bad. 2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 1 hour ago, ALF said: The anonymous source would need to go into the witness protection program from the extreme Trump supporters if identity became known. The country is growing further apart over Trump, forget any bipartisan cooperation. Extreme Trump supporters? What the !@#$ are you talking about? Show me anything from the right that compares to what antifa is doing! The same goes for the dingbats that interupt hearings in the congress and senate committee's! Does the means justify the end? Take Trump down by anyways possible? Are you that unhinged???? You and the rest of the liberal loons really need some professional help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 24 minutes ago, westside said: Extreme Trump supporters? What the !@#$ are you talking about? Show me anything from the right that compares to what antifa is doing! The same goes for the dingbats that interupt hearings in the congress and senate committee's! Does the means justify the end? Take Trump down by anyways possible? Are you that unhinged???? You and the rest of the liberal loons really need some professional help. It's obvious Trump and his supporters are now panicking, I totally understand. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ALF said: It's obvious Trump and his supporters are now panicking, I totally understand. Luckily it's not Bernie. We know what his supporters like to do. Edited September 6, 2018 by LBSeeBallLBGetBall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 https://www.dailywire.com/news/35515/nyts-anonymous-source-traitor-troll-or-tall-tale-michael-j-knowles?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro This guy gets it, especially in the last paragraph. The time is coming to destroy these domestic enemies of our country. I can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 As I wrote in the other thread discussing this...Meh. My anonymous source says the NY Times anonymous source is imaginary. Right now, I think I have just as much journalistic-chops as anyone writing fan-fiction for the left in the NYTimes op-ed department. But apparently, Tucker Carlson said he knows the fiction writer of the piece ... and he's going after Chuck Todd + NBC on the Weinstein cover-up as well. Food fight in the MSM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 # lodestar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 The picture painted is disturbing, and Congress needs to exert its authority and figure out what is going on over at the White House. But whomever wrote this to me is a coward; if you have that much concern for the country then do the honorable thing and resign then go to Congress and tell them what is going on. You can't have this kind of behavior no matter who occupies the office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Donald Trump and Republicans in general are incompetent when it comes to framing political issues. All Donald Trump had to say in response to this NY Times editorial is something like this: "Washington, DC is full of entrenched Republicans and entrenched Democrats. They are losing their unearned lofty status since I have become President and they obviously don't like it. I will continue to be the President for all Americans outside of the Washington, DC beltway." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Funny how NYT is concerned about its anonymous source's job security, but has no qualms when its stories lead to more casualties in war. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Just now, GG said: Funny how NYT is concerned about its anonymous source's job security, but has no qualms when its stories lead to more casualties in war. What else would you expect from an enemy of the people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 26 minutes ago, joesixpack said: https://www.dailywire.com/news/35515/nyts-anonymous-source-traitor-troll-or-tall-tale-michael-j-knowles?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro This guy gets it, especially in the last paragraph. The time is coming to destroy these domestic enemies of our country. I can't wait. The bolded is a big reason why I think Trump is bad for our country. Many could have said the same thing about all those actively trying to bring down and oppose Obama..it is okay to disagree vehemently with someone in public office, its why we have the greatest country in the world..everything is challenged....it does not mean people on either side are enemies of our country or enemies of the people...that rhetoric is what is the true enemy of our country. I dont think Trump is an enemy of the country..I think he is bad for the country, but that is a completely different thing. Having said that, i found the second theory in the piece interesting. I agree with the author, no one knows how to steer and manipulate the press better than Trump..could this just be troll used to prove Trump's point on the MSM? Did Trump plant this thing on purpose? I think publishing this was the absolute wrong decision by theTimes, and as I said in the other thread it does go a long way towards proving Trump's point. I need @Deranged Rhino to weigh in here!? Last, quick note on something I saw this morning. On CBS this morning, Major Garrett was talking about his own book coming out. on Trump..and while he said some of the anecdotes in the piece sound reasonable and close to things he has in his book, he had never, ever heard of any movement towards invoking the 25th amendment..and he is a pretty plugged in dude. He implied that was pretty clearly fiction, and as such cast doubt on the rest of the piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: The bolded is a big reason why I think Trump is bad for our country. Many could have said the same thing about all those actively trying to bring down and oppose Obama..it is okay to disagree vehemently with someone in public office, its why we have the greatest country in the world..everything is challenged....it does not mean people on either side are enemies of our country or enemies of the people...that rhetoric is what is the true enemy of our country. I dont think Trump is an enemy of the country..I think he is bad for the country, but that is a completely different thing. Having said that, i found the second theory in the piece interesting. I agree with the author, no one knows how to steer and manipulate the press better than Trump..could this just be troll used to prove Trump's point on the MSM? Did Trump plant this thing on purpose? I think publishing this was the absolute wrong decision by theTimes, and as I said in the other thread it does go a long way towards proving Trump's point. I need @Deranged Rhino to weigh in here!? Last, quick note on something I saw this morning. On CBS this morning, Major Garrett was talking about his own book coming out. on Trump..and while he said some of the anecdotes in the piece sound reasonable and close to things he has in his book, he had never, ever heard of any movement towards invoking the 25th amendment..and he is a pretty plugged in dude. He implied that was pretty clearly fiction, and as such cast doubt on the rest of the piece. That paper and the WaPo have published NUMEROUS "anonymous source" articles. Can never trust them, they're liars and biased toward the unelected civil service of this country. That makes them undemocratic, and anti-American. That's indisputable. Edited September 6, 2018 by joesixpack spelling errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, GG said: Funny how NYT is concerned about its anonymous source's job security, but has no qualms when its stories lead to more casualties in war. please link credible sources and stories to back this claim up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Just now, plenzmd1 said: please link credible sources and stories to back this claim up... What constitutes a "credible source" when the Times can't even be used as one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: That paper and the WaPo have published NUMEROUS "anonymouse source" articles. Can never trust them, they're liars and biased toward the unelected civil service of this country. That makes them undemocratic, and anti-American. That's indisputable. of course it's disputable..and that it is disputable is in itself indisputable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Hey it always makes a lot of sense to me that the non-politician billionaire from NYC who took out 16 GOPe opponents, the Bush machine, the Clinton machine, the Obama machine (what there is of it anyway), and the MSM to become President of the United States has no idea what he is doing in office. insert huge sarcasm emoji But do let us thank the NY Times for confirming there is a deep state. That was nice of them after screeching it was a "conspiracy theory" for so long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I need @Deranged Rhino to weigh in here! Deranged Rhino is an e-mail chasing office clerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Just now, plenzmd1 said: of course it's disputable..and that it is disputable is in itself indisputable. So you like being lied to? Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: What constitutes a "credible source" when the Times can't even be used as one? so in other words..you cant??? I don't want some crap on Info Wars or other such nonsense...show me one instance where the Times has protected an anonymous source and it has led to the death of American soldiers...just show me one instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Just now, plenzmd1 said: so in other words..you cant??? I don't want some crap on Info Wars or other such nonsense...show me one instance where the Times has protected an anonymous source and it has led to the death of American soldiers...just show me one instance. That wasn't MY assertion. Keep your responses straight. My assertion is that the Times is, at best, a work of FICTION. They use "anonymous sources" and have NO verification in the open of said sources. Refute THAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Just now, plenzmd1 said: please link credible sources and stories to back this claim up... Really? For starters, there was the unnecessary exposure of the SWIFT monetary transfers by terrorist groups that were monitored by US security. Then ongoing publications of anti-terror strategies throughout the Iraq occupation. Topped off by the publication few weeks ago exposing US spying networks in China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: This is what I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: Exceptin if they are blind republican Trump supporters..then law enforcement should let the swamp be the swamp.Trump said so himself the other day 4 minutes ago, joesixpack said: That wasn't MY assertion. Keep your responses straight. My assertion is that the Times is, at best, a work of FICTION. They use "anonymous sources" and have NO verification in the open of said sources. Refute THAT. Quote What else would you expect from an enemy of the people You liked the post and them posted this..don't run from your own words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: You liked the post and them posted this..don't run from your own words No one's running from **** here, lackey of the deep state. Refute my points or move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, joesixpack said: No one's running from **** here, lackey of the deep state. Refute my points or move along. What is there to refute. Just cause you say something does not make it so. Dumb argument. I say Trump is racist..prove me wrong! 13 minutes ago, GG said: Really? For starters, there was the unnecessary exposure of the SWIFT monetary transfers by terrorist groups that were monitored by US security. Then ongoing publications of anti-terror strategies throughout the Iraq occupation. Topped off by the publication few weeks ago exposing US spying networks in China. and...please show direct causality between these stories( i confess I do not know these pieces) and American deaths on the battlefield. And this conversation has gone off the rails..again my point was I think the Times fugged up here..I have said it many times and I think it hurts their credibility. Edited September 6, 2018 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: What is there to refute. Just cause you say something does not make it so. Dumb argument. I say Trump is racist..prove me wrong! and...please show direct causality between these stories( i confess I do not know these pieces) and American deaths on the battlefield. And this conversation has gone off the rails..again my point was I think the Times fugged up here..I have said it many times and I think it hurts there credibility. GG is pretty out there. Just sayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: What is there to refute. Refute the fact that the NYT and WaPo rely almost exclusively on anonymous sources without any named source verification. Refute that these "stories" are, therefore, not able to be relied on for anything other than entertainment purposes. Edited September 6, 2018 by joesixpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Refute the fact that the NYT and WaPo rely almost exclusively on anonymous sources without any named source verification. Refute that these "stories" are, therefore, not able to be relied on for anything other than entertainment purposes. Times would disagree The Times today is taking the rare step of publishing an anonymous Op-Ed essay. We have done so at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Refute the fact that the NYT and WaPo rely almost exclusively on anonymous sources without any named source verification. Refute that these "stories" are, therefore, not able to be relied on for anything other than entertainment purposes. Trump is taking them as real 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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