C.Biscuit97 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, joesixpack said: And that's just it. The man made ZERO serious effort to find one. As soon as Manuel failed, they should have picked another. They signed Orton the coward, Tyrod, and Cassel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, joesixpack said: And that's just it. The man made ZERO serious effort to find one. As soon as Manuel failed, they should have picked another. I am a Whaley fan, and I fully agree with this. Failure to commit to the QB position was an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 21 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: that too when you hire a new coach the rules are different. because each coach wants "his" guys So stupid. Our best offensive player was a guy Whaley acquired. Guess what a good coach does? Motivates talent. We got rid of a ton of talent which just left a bunch of holes to refill. I’d rather have Dareus than Star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: They signed Orton the coward, Tyrod, and Cassel. That's a serious effort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, Logic said: I just love the oversimplification of not looking at the long term outlook for said team, which was filled with bloated contracts and questionable character. I also love that you extol averaging 8 wins a year as a virtue, and as a sign that the team didn't need to be rebuilt. Zay did something way worse than anything Sammy did and he’s not close to as talented. And I guess signing PED guys= character now. Just now, joesixpack said: That's a serious effort? Even though you hate him, Tyrod has proven to be a nfl starting qb. And he also didn’t want to give up on his first round qb after 3 years. I’m not a fan of the Allen pick but I’d want the Bills to do the same for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Even though you hate him, Tyrod has proven to be a nfl starting qb. nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 27 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: every team rebuilds every season The Patriots don’t rebuild - they have avoided it by constantly renovating. Just sayin’. GO BILLSSS!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, The Senator said: The Patriots don’t rebuild - they have avoided it by constantly renovating. Just sayin’. GO BILLSSS!!!! Well, that and having the greatest QB of all time playing for TWO FREAKING DECADES helps. God I hate Brady more than even Marino now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, Logic said: I just love the oversimplification of not looking at the long term outlook for said team, which was filled with bloated contracts and questionable character. I also love that you extol averaging 8 wins a year as a virtue, and as a sign that the team didn't need to be rebuilt. Or the implication that getting rid of Rex was premature. And of course the undying Whaley love. It's amazing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 This is why if I am Beane I am NOT dealing my 2019 1st for Mack at this time. I would only consider dealing the 2020 1st. If the Bills have a completely horrible 3-13 year and that pick turns out to be the #1 pick, dealing it now would be a disaster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, Figster said: Or a franchise QB The Browns disagree Wow one example.. Kudos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 52 minutes ago, H2o said: A taste of the playoffs last year had us all hoping this was turning around quicker than anticipated. The fact we were only a few plays away from beating a team that was in the AFC Championship piled onto that hope. If Tyrod throws back shoulder to Benjamin, if the defense could stop Blake friggin Bortles from looking like Michael Vick, this, or that, we all contemplated the scenarios. It had us relieved that the drought was over, but we still had that uncharted excitement due to the year we had. The fact of the matter is this has always been a rebuild since McDermott took over and Beane was brought in after last year's draft. We have basically washed our hands of everything and everyone in previous regimes. Watkins, Glenn, Dareus, Darby, and Tyrod were all traded away. Gilmore was allowed to walk in FA along with Preston Brown, Goodwin, Henderson, and Robert Woods. Eric Wood's injury was an unforeseen wrench thrown in there as well as Richie's personal struggles that led to his retirement. Right there we are talking about 11 starters between the offense and defense which were all on the field for us just two years ago. That is one hell of a turnover. You couple all of these roster moves with the fact we have an aging Shady, Hughes, Kyle on what is most likely his farewell tour, and now you throw in 3 more starters who all may not be on this team as early as 2019. We are going through some serious changes. We have acquired some key pieces in this time as well through the draft, FA, and trades. The FA side of things is judged by me with Hyde and Poyer. I know the preseason hasn't been what we hoped for, but last year they were arguably the best Safety tandem in the league. Two of the best pickups we have made in quite some time. Teams always make moves their fans or members of the media don't always agree with. I didn't like the Star contract and I still don't like the Star contract, but hopefully he can contribute. We have traded for players like Kelvin Benjamin and Corey Coleman who are still on the team. Benjamin may be a long term piece here and we can't really judge anything on Coleman except the fact we got him for basically a bag of peanuts. Imo, the money has been in the draft. Last year we picked up Te White, Dawkins, and Milano. The jury is still out on Zay Jones, but hopefully he bounces back from all of his on field struggles and off the field incidents to become a productive WR. This year we get Josh Allen who is the future of the franchise at QB, Edmunds who is destined to be the QB of the defense, Harrison Phillips who is basically Kyle Jr., Taron Johnson, and Wyatt Teller. All of these players I feel will be good, if not great players for us in years to come despite Dunkirk Chad's Word on the situation. All of these players we have acquired have also been done so in a way which we haven't parted with anything consequential in the years to come. This year maybe a struggle and there are some things that have put us in a places we did not expect with this roster, but I still have faith that the Coaching Staff and FO have us moving in the right direction for long term sustainable success. We are projected to have $90,000,000 in cap room next offseason after dropping all of the dead weight. We still have all of our early round picks. We have some really solid young talent as well as a few key vets under contract the next few seasons. I know we enjoyed the little taste of success we had last year, but with a rebuild comes growing pains and that is what this has always been. IMHO, this post is a breath of fresh air pumped into a NYC subway full of garbage cars headed to New Jersey! Thank you for a level headed post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 28 minutes ago, FLFan said: Yes, a team that was consistently mediocre needed a rebuild. Agreed. It's purgatory. Jays were the same way during their playoff drought, the other longest one from the 90s-00s. Never a "terrible" team, always in that .500ish range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, joesixpack said: nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn no. Clearly the guy who got voted to a pro bowl, made the playoffs, and averaged more yards passing in the nfl than Allen did in the MWC clearly sucks. Thank god we replaced him with Nate 5 ints, AJ terrible chest tattoo, & a guy who didn’t even make all-MWC. We are clearly upgraded!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Mediocrity sucks. Look at the Panthers. That core was good for maybe that one run in '15, and now they are doomed to 9-7 seasons until Cam finally gets his brain exploded on the field and bottom out again. They aren't bad enough to get a high pick, and not good enough to do any real damage in the playoffs. Would rather just eat the pain of a bad season if it means an influx of elite talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wo-Bah Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Well, that and having the greatest QB of all time playing for TWO FREAKING DECADES helps. God I hate Brady more than even Marino now. Abso-freakin-lutley!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Well, that and having the greatest QB of all time playing for TWO FREAKING DECADES helps. God I hate Brady more than even Marino now. And TE. And coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: So stupid. Our best offensive player was a guy Whaley acquired. Guess what a good coach does? Motivates talent. We got rid of a ton of talent which just left a bunch of holes to refill. I’d rather have Dareus than Star. stupid it may be but it is what happens. New coaches want their own players. They keep the guys that they feel are the best of the best and replace the others. Some coaches feel if they have to "motivate" a player then the player isn't right int he head. Every player should be motivated by themselves to be the best that they can. Sure we lost talent, many people said were no good. Sammy was so good he spent a year in LA and is now in KC all the while Robert Woods is still there. Tyrod should have been gone last season and then we really would have sucked and gotten another top round pick w/o having to trade down to 7th or lower. 25 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Even though you hate him, Tyrod has proven to be a nfl starting qb. And he also didn’t want to give up on his first round qb after 3 years. I’m not a fan of the Allen pick but I’d want the Bills to do the same for him. somehow I knew that to be part of your argument. It wasn't HATE, we saw he wan't the answer. 10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Clearly the guy who got voted to a pro bowl, made the playoffs, and averaged more yards passing in the nfl than Allen did in the MWC clearly sucks. Thank god we replaced him with Nate 5 ints, AJ terrible chest tattoo, & a guy who didn’t even make all-MWC. We are clearly upgraded!!! As a 3rd and 4th alternate and the guy who was "begging" for votes last season. 21 minutes ago, joesixpack said: God I hate Brady more than even Marino now. I never hated Marino, feared him yes. Hate, never? why, because he wasn't a whiny little b word like Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Quiet? This is/was always a full rebuild. From the time they wanted to go to a 43 and install a west coast spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Well, that and having the greatest QB of all time playing for TWO FREAKING DECADES helps. God I hate Brady more than even Marino now. JSP, I hate NE / Brady /Belicheat as much as you do...as much as any Bills fan does. But, albeit begrudgingly, you have to respect what they have achieved, w/out any major “rebuild”. That said, I hope the Bills sweep them this season... GO BILLSSS!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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