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12 hours ago, eball said:

 

I love her character (and enjoy watching every scene of hers as well for different reasons), but I cringe at the thought of how she will "disappear" from Jimmy's life.

Couldn't agree more.  However it goes down it's going to be devastating to watch.

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24 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Couldn't agree more.  However it goes down it's going to be devastating to watch.

I think she will dump him as he turns more and more into Saul the scumbag.

 

They gave it away with that scene at the end of the first episode.  But then she came out in the 2nd episode swinging at Howard and hiding the check/letter from Jimmy in order to protect her man.


So who knows.  I just hope they don't kill her off.

 

 

3 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

Their voices are very similar

 

 

LOL.   I thought you meant in terms of content, not how they actually sound.

 

You're right; they both have that same gravely sort of broken up thing going, like they need a cough drop and could stand to clear their throat.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

I think she will dump him as he turns more and more into Saul the scumbag.

 

They gave it away with that scene at the end of the first episode.  But then she came out in the 2nd episode swinging at Howard and hiding the check/letter from Jimmy in order to protect her man.


So who knows.  I just hope they don't kill her off.

 

 

I'm the opposite; I think they almost have to, to "complete" Jimmy turning away from everything he was before.

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1 hour ago, eball said:

 

I'm the opposite; I think they almost have to, to "complete" Jimmy turning away from everything he was before.

 

I I had to venture a guess, Kim's downfall will be a result of Jimmy's ties to Mike and Mike's ties to Gus and Gus' ties to to the Cartel

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3 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

 

 

LOL.   I thought you meant in terms of content, not how they actually sound.

 

You're right; they both have that same gravely sort of broken up thing going, like they need a cough drop and could stand to clear their throat.

 

 

 

I think Jimmy could easily learn the patter with incentive....

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3 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

It wasn't?

 

What did I miss?

 

His reading of it was too formal for the situation and his style, “no date/ new paragraph.....” like he was dictating to a secretary or a tape recorder for a secretary to later transcribe

 

she overreacted to the letter

 

and that would be the content of what super-perfectionist and angry Chuck would leave behind for his suicide?

 

 

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1 hour ago, row_33 said:

 

His reading of it was too formal for the situation and his style, “no date/ new paragraph.....” like he was dictating to a secretary or a tape recorder for a secretary to later transcribe

 

she overreacted to the letter

 

and that would be the content of what super-perfectionist and angry Chuck would leave behind for his suicide?

 

 

Now that I think of it, the part when he says new paragraph didnt sound right, who would just say that when reading a letter? But that could be something that would come up when you are dictating something into a computer that would type it out for you. And Jimmy mentions how it's not dated which seems unlike something someone like Chuck would do.

 

This could be the start of something that drives the wedge between them? She writes a new letter because she assumes that the original one chuck wrote would devastate or hurt him more, so she tries to help Jimmy by now making him think his brother really was proud of him. She got all emotional because Jimmy didnt react to it like she hoped and didnt seem to have any emotion to it at all.

 

I think this season will be the year that Jimmy fully breaks ties with everyone in his life and completes the transition to Saul. Once his suspension is over and he can practice law again he will stop being Jimmy and will be separated from his old life and be Saul.

 

I dont think Kim will die or be killed, I think she and Jimmy have a big fall out and she leaves, maybe going back home. Was she not from Missouri? (I thought she said in one episode she was) maybe that's why he ends up going back there after breaking bad to try and find her and reconnect?

 

Last night's episode was pretty good, for a second when Gus went to the school I thought maybe it was going to involve a Walter cameo. And I would have been emotional too like Nacho when they were in the desert setting up the 'gang attack murder'. They could have atleats destroyed a crappier car. All those bullet holes.......

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1 hour ago, The Poojer said:

I'd like to know how long he worked at learning that song...that would be no easy feat AT all!!

 

 

he never can do less than steal every scene he shows up in

 

it's not that hard for those of us who absorb song lyrics, it might be harder to do it when $$$ is on the line for your job than absorbing in leisure hours

 

 

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oh i agree, memorizing song lyrics can be somewhat easy, but they had the song coming through the headphones so he had to sing it correctly, on tempo, and it's not like it's just song lyrics, it seemed to be the periodic table so some of those words are hard to pronounce.

 

 

3 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

he never can do less than steal every scene he shows up in

 

it's not that hard for those of us who absorb song lyrics, it might be harder to do it when $$$ is on the line for your job than absorbing in leisure hours

 

 

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34 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

Now that I think of it, the part when he says new paragraph didnt sound right, who would just say that when reading a letter? But that could be something that would come up when you are dictating something into a computer that would type it out for you. And Jimmy mentions how it's not dated which seems unlike something someone like Chuck would do.

 

This could be the start of something that drives the wedge between them? She writes a new letter because she assumes that the original one chuck wrote would devastate or hurt him more, so she tries to help Jimmy by now making him think his brother really was proud of him. She got all emotional because Jimmy didnt react to it like she hoped and didnt seem to have any emotion to it at all.

 

I think this season will be the year that Jimmy fully breaks ties with everyone in his life and completes the transition to Saul. Once his suspension is over and he can practice law again he will stop being Jimmy and will be separated from his old life and be Saul.

 

I dont think Kim will die or be killed, I think she and Jimmy have a big fall out and she leaves, maybe going back home. Was she not from Missouri? (I thought she said in one episode she was) maybe that's why he ends up going back there after breaking bad to try and find her and reconnect?

 

Last night's episode was pretty good, for a second when Gus went to the school I thought maybe it was going to involve a Walter cameo. And I would have been emotional too like Nacho when they were in the desert setting up the 'gang attack murder'. They could have atleats destroyed a crappier car. All those bullet holes.......

 

 

Jimmy is a psychopath, but a fun one to cheer for on TV, I don't want people like that in my life. May not care at all about Chuck gone, he is just looking to satisfy his next itch.

 

i'll wild guess that she got an addressed envelope to Jimmy in the archives of the courthouse and wrote a fake nice letter.  Chuck wouldn't have forgotten THE DATE on a letter.... (i have worked with a lot of Chucks...) A Chuck probably had a fact to every year on the Gregian and prior calendars as a mnemonic device.

 

Kim is a different kind of brilliance and grind, she isn't a Chuck, and wouldn't even think of that kind of detail as being critical for a letter to a brother.

 

could they sneak Mr. Cranston into a role without it getting leaked?

 

someone noted 17 words were spoken in the first 6 minutes, a fine minimalist performance, but the dialogue is the only thing i care about when i rewatch during the week.

 

 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, The Poojer said:

oh i agree, memorizing song lyrics can be somewhat easy, but they had the song coming through the headphones so he had to sing it correctly, on tempo, and it's not like it's just song lyrics, it seemed to be the periodic table so some of those words are hard to pronounce.

 

 

 

i think i have every lyric and bass/drum pattern for every decent pop song from 1956 to 1986 in my skull, have won a few contests, sadly not bringing millions....

 

all of us chem students had it memorized to a good extent, something you just did, i can rattle off the top 40 right now despite not thinking about it for 30 years.

 

but he's a great character actor and that stuff is old hat to them, they can rattle off an entire whole play of Shakespeare and perform it differently every night.

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

His reading of it was too formal for the situation and his style, “no date/ new paragraph.....” like he was dictating to a secretary or a tape recorder for a secretary to later transcribe

 

she overreacted to the letter

 

and that would be the content of what super-perfectionist and angry Chuck would leave behind for his suicide?

 

 

Kim didn't write it. It was simply a letter Chuck had wrote much earlier. He must have wrote it when Jimmy was still working in the mail room at HHM.

 

For some reason, the letter may have been filed at the courthouse and Kim knew about it, so she switched it out.

 

Her reaction and Jimmy's reaction were both genuine. It just shows Jimmy's indifference. It would have been very anticlimactic if not for Kim's reaction. Kim's reaction represents the normal world where the letter is an emotional event. Jimmy's reaction represents Saul's world where the letter is just an annoyance.

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19 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Kim didn't write it. It was simply a letter Chuck had wrote much earlier. He must have wrote it when Jimmy was still working in the mail room at HHM.

 

For some reason, the letter may have been filed at the courthouse and Kim knew about it, so she switched it out.

 

Her reaction and Jimmy's reaction were both genuine. It just shows Jimmy's indifference. It would have been very anticlimactic if not for Kim's reaction. Kim's reaction represents the normal world where the letter is an emotional event. Jimmy's reaction represents Saul's world where the letter is just an annoyance.

 

 

 

it's hard to square Jimmy's indifference though.... he went out of his way to crush Chuck, i guess he is indifferent now that Chuck is gone?

 

I don't buy her character or acting, it's hard to present a woman in TV or movies that is believable.  She is better than Walt's wife in BB though.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

 

 

it's hard to square Jimmy's indifference though.... he went out of his way to crush Chuck, i guess he is indifferent now that Chuck is gone?

 

I don't buy her character or acting, it's hard to present a woman in TV or movies that is believable.  She is better than Walt's wife in BB though.

 

 

wut?

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Turns out it wasn't so easy to learn :D

https://tv.avclub.com/david-costabile-on-singing-and-memorizing-his-way-throu-1828478066?utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Twitter&utm_content=Main

 

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David Costabile: That f***ng song. Holy s**t. I sang it until my brain bled. 

 

3 hours ago, row_33 said:

i think i have every lyric and bass/drum pattern for every decent pop song from 1956 to 1986 in my skull, have won a few contests, sadly not bringing millions....

all of us chem students had it memorized to a good extent, something you just did, i can rattle off the top 40 right now despite not thinking about it for 30 years.

but he's a great character actor and that stuff is old hat to them, they can rattle off an entire whole play of Shakespeare and perform it differently every night.

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10 minutes ago, The Poojer said:

 

just beat me to it...

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  • Mr. Neff is listening to a Stephen Covey seminar about the Time Management Matrix, which directs you to place tasks into one of four quadrants defined by urgent or not urgent on one axis, and important or not important on the other. I don’t remember Covey being very au courant in the 2000s (as opposed to the nineties), but Neff Copiers does seem to be trapped in an earlier era. Even the owner’s marital troubles are right out of a fifties sitcom.

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