Aaron Donald. Are the Rams thinking of trading him?

[Cornette's Commentary]

7 hours ago, Tipster19 said:

I was thinking about this yesterday and was going to post something but got too lazy. Now I ran across this article just now and it starts confirming a bit what I was thinking. I don’t believe the Rams were ever planning on locking up Donald hence the signing of Suh. I believe that they signed Suh as insurance, bracing themselves for another hold out by Donald. Furthermore I really believe that they are going to trade him before it’s all said and done. 

 

Now I would love for the Bills to trade for him but that will never happen, especially after they just got out from under Dareus’ monster contract. I wonder that if indeed that the Rams trade him what team will step up for him. Green Bay? Dallas? Input will be appreciated.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/02/rams-coo-aaron-donalds-side-sees-his-value-one-way-we-see-it-differently/

Stop.  Can we please just STOP with this crap?

[thenorthremembers]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

There's a lot with just the last few years.

Gerald McCoy, Fletcher Cox, Geno Atkins and Suh.  Suh is just a headache but still performs on the field.  

 

Correct, but outside of maybe Fletcher Cox with the Eagles, how many of those teams have been successful?  My point is Defensive Tackles are a small piece of a broader puzzle, and I am not sure it's smart to give them big contracts

[Virgil]

6 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

I just don’t understand how the franchise tag is acceptable to anyone??

 

 

I think the franchise tag has become less and less relevant as the salary cap has expanded like it has. 

 

The transition tag makes sense to me still, but that’s about it 

[Wayne Arnold]

7 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

I believe the Bills have a better chance at Mack than this scenario for all the reasons I've posted elsewhere. Donald is going nowhere, but Mack is in play.

 

Let's sign them both. Kyle can then enjoy a well-deserved retirement with his family and watch the Bills win the next three Super Bowls.

[CommonCents]

I said it a few weeks ago, if Snead let’s Donald walk I will applaud him. That team has too much talent and if they pay Donald that’s going to shorten their window considerably. He is a great player no doubt about it but his position has little impact. 

 

The Eagles let up 500 yards passing in the SB with a top 3 DT in Cox. Paying Donald would be a mistake with all the contracts on the horizon for Snead. 

[Royale with Cheese]

19 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Correct, but outside of maybe Fletcher Cox with the Eagles, how many of those teams have been successful?  My point is Defensive Tackles are a small piece of a broader puzzle, and I am not sure it's smart to give them big contracts

 

Are you only measuring success by Super Bowl wins?  I ask because Atkins and Suh have been on playoff teams.

Anyone who can disrupt the QB and blow up a play is not a small piece.  There's reasons why these guys are making very good salaries with more than 1 above $100,000,000 contracts.

 

Warren Sapp had a big contract in his day and was a huge piece to the Bucs defense.

Joe Greene the same.  

 

DeAndre Hopkins, AJ Green and Mike Evans are top paid WR that haven't won anything....are they not worth it?  Antonio Brown has won a Super Bowl either.

Darrell Revis never won with the Jets...was he worth the money?  Patrick Petersen?

Edited August 3, 2018 by Royale with Cheese

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Are you only measuring success by Super Bowl wins?  I ask because Atkins and Suh have been on playoff teams.

Anyone who can disrupt the QB and blow up a play is not a small piece.  There's reasons why these guys are making very good salaries with more than 1 above $100,000,000 contracts.

 

Warren Sapp had a big contract in his day and was a huge piece to the Bucs defense.

Joe Greene the same.  

 

DeAndre Hopkins, AJ Green and Mike Evans are top paid WR that haven't won anything....are they not worth it?  Antonio Brown has won a Super Bowl either.

Darrell Revis never won with the Jets...was he worth the money?  Patrick Petersen?

Each situation is different, the Bucs had Brad Johnson as QB and the most he made in a single year for his entire career was 8.5 million. That team was built differently than the Rams. They have the pieces for an offensive juggernaut in a league that continues to hamper the the abilties of defenders. 

 

In this situation I think it makes more sense to keep all the other pieces and let the big guy walk. 

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[dave mcbride]

I think people are missing the point here. DTs are actually quite important (they're a major league reason  why the Giants beat the Pats in the '08 SB and Seattle annihilated Denver), but you need multiple elite players. The cap actually allows for that if you prioritize wisely. Who else are the Rams spending their money on? Last I checked they franchised a decent safety who is less than half the player Donald is, and the gave Brandin Cooks $49 million guaranteed. Goff and Gurley are still on rookie contracts. Michael Brockers has an $11 million cap hit too, as does their 36 year old LT. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/cap/

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I think people are missing the point here. DTs are actually quite important (they're a major league reason  why the Giants beat the Pats in the '08 SB and Seattle annihilated Denver), but you need multiple elite players. The cap actually allows for that if you prioritize wisely. Who else are the Rams spending their money on? Last I checked they franchised a decent safety who is less than half the player Donald is, and the gave Brandin Cooks $49 million guaranteed. Goff and Gurley are still on rookie contracts. Michael Brockers has an $11 million cap hit too, as does their 36 year old LT. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/cap/

 

Yep. Barron as well is a good player who is getting well overpaid.  Suh is a one year rental.  They have space to sign their best player (Donald) and Gurley but it means that Joyner, Brockers, Barron, Suh, Whitworth and Talib all need to be moved on after this year.  I think the issue is that Donald wants to be paid now and while they can backload they can't really afford to give him any more money in 2018.  

[CommonCents]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

I think people are missing the point here. DTs are actually quite important (they're a major league reason  why the Giants beat the Pats in the '08 SB and Seattle annihilated Denver), but you need multiple elite players. The cap actually allows for that if you prioritize wisely. Who else are the Rams spending their money on? Last I checked they franchised a decent safety who is less than half the player Donald is, and the gave Brandin Cooks $49 million guaranteed. Goff and Gurley are still on rookie contracts. Michael Brockers has an $11 million cap hit too, as does their 36 year old LT. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/cap/

36 year old LT who single handily has the most impact of any olineman in the entire NFL last season. 

 

Gurley got paid.

 

Marcus Peters contract jumps up next season because it’s his fifth year option and he will need a LTD soon.

 

Goff will cash in.

 

Talib is at 11/m this year then 8/m next year. That’s money spend and well worth it. 

 

They can’t pay Peters, Goff, Donald, Joyner etc.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Commonsense said:

36 year old LT who single handily has the most impact of any olineman in the entire NFL last season. 

 

Gurley got paid.

 

Marcus Peters contract jumps up next season because it’s his fifth year option and he will need a LTD soon.

 

Goff will cash in.

 

Talib is at 11/m this year then 8/m next year. That’s money spend and well worth it. 

 

They can’t pay Peters, Goff, Donald, Joyner etc.

 

 

 

I'd rather release Marcus Peters than Aaron Donald.  I think Peters is good not great.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Each situation is different, the Bucs had Brad Johnson as QB and the most he made in a single year for his entire career was 8.5 million. That team was built differently than the Rams. They have the pieces for an offensive juggernaut in a league that continues to hamper the the abilties of defenders. 

 

In this situation I think it makes more sense to keep all the other pieces and let the big guy walk. 

This was also 14-18  years ago and he was the highest paid defensive tackle.  Peyton Manning was the highest paid player in the NFL in 2004 and didn't eclipse $100 million.  

 

When you have a top defensive tackle, teams dish up big money.

Cox, Atkins, Fletcher, Short, Casey and McCoy all given big contracts by the team that drafted them.  

Dareus and Suh too but both were shipped for character concerns.  

 

I think it's a mistake for the Rams to let Donald walk.  QB, anyone who can get to the QB, left tackles who protect the QB and top corners you always open the wallet IMO.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

45 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

Stop.  Can we please just STOP with this crap?

 

There is this thing you can do - wait - it’ll come to me - I know!  You can not read threads you regard as crap and move on once you make that call

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

This was also 14-18  years ago and he was the highest paid defensive tackle.  Peyton Manning was the highest paid player in the NFL in 2004 and didn't eclipse $100 million.  

 

When you have a top defensive tackle, teams dish up big money.

Cox, Atkins, Fletcher, Short, Casey and McCoy all given big contracts by the team that drafted them.  

Dareus and Suh too but both were shipped for character concerns.  

 

I think it's a mistake for the Rams to let Donald walk.  QB, anyone who can get to the QB, left tackles who protect the QB and top corners you always open the wallet IMO.

 

He is a great player, it’s a tough decision no doubt about it. I just see all that talent and I’m not limiting my cap for a DT. He was on the field when the Falcons held the ball for 38 minutes in the playoff game. 

 

The players listed above look more like a cautionary tale than anything else. 

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd rather release Marcus Peters than Aaron Donald.  I think Peters is good not great.

I thought they were better off with Johnson but that’s Snead’s guy and pairing him with Talib for two years is a power move. He is a gambler and that seems to fit the identity of the Rams. Splash plays galore. Can they win that way in the playoffs? It’s going to be fun watching them try.

[thenorthremembers]

24 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Are you only measuring success by Super Bowl wins?  I ask because Atkins and Suh have been on playoff teams.

Anyone who can disrupt the QB and blow up a play is not a small piece.  There's reasons why these guys are making very good salaries with more than 1 above $100,000,000 contracts.

 

Warren Sapp had a big contract in his day and was a huge piece to the Bucs defense.

Joe Greene the same.  

 

DeAndre Hopkins, AJ Green and Mike Evans are top paid WR that haven't won anything....are they not worth it?  Antonio Brown has won a Super Bowl either.

Darrell Revis never won with the Jets...was he worth the money?  Patrick Petersen?

I wasn't saying the players aren't successful.   What I am saying, especially in the Ram's case, is if you have to choose between paying a player who never has the ball in his hand, vs. a player who has the ball in his hand multiple times a game (Gurley or Goff) I am choosing the guy who has the ball.

 

In the instances you brought up, lets just take DT vs. WR (not including Sapp and Joe Greene here because they both played in different eras- More ground and pound ball control offenses)

 

Position	Regular Season Win %	Playoff Win %	SB Appearances
DT	54%	0%	0
WR	49%	50%	1

 

In this scenario, if I have both Antonio Brown and Aaron Donald on my team, I pay Brown 100% of the time. 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Commonsense said:

He is a great player, it’s a tough decision no doubt about it. I just see all that talent and I’m not limiting my cap for a DT. He was on the field when the Falcons held the ball for 38 minutes in the playoff game. 

 

The players listed above look more like a cautionary tale than anything else. 

 

That's happened with any great defensive player.

The Giants held the ball for 40 minutes against the Bills in Super Bowl 25 and we were loaded on defense.

 

 

6 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I wasn't saying the players aren't successful.   What I am saying, especially in the Ram's case, is if you have to choose between paying a player who never has the ball in his hand, vs. a player who has the ball in his hand multiple times a game (Gurley or Goff) I am choosing the guy who has the ball.

 

In the instances you brought up, lets just take DT vs. WR (not including Sapp and Joe Greene here because they both played in different eras- More ground and pound ball control offenses)

 

Position	Regular Season Win %	Playoff Win %	SB Appearances
DT	54%	0%	0
WR	49%	50%	1

 

In this scenario, if I have both Antonio Brown and Aaron Donald on my team, I pay Brown 100% of the time. 

 

 

 

I take a QB over a DT for sure....franchise QB's are the hardest to find in the sports and the most important.

I'll never take an elite RB over an elite pass rusher who also can stop the run.

 

Let me ask you this.  Why are WR's not anywhere near the contract value of DT's?

Antonio Brown's the highest paid WR at a total contract of $68 million.  That would be 6th highest for DT.

 

I'm not sure what your chart is suggesting.  Can you elaborate?

[thenorthremembers]

11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

That's happened with any great defensive player.

The Giants held the ball for 40 minutes against the Bills in Super Bowl 25 and we were loaded on defense.

 

 

 

I take a QB over a DT for sure....franchise QB's are the hardest to find in the sports and the most important.

I'll never take an elite RB over an elite pass rusher who also can stop the run.

 

Let me ask you this.  Why are WR's not anywhere near the contract value of DT's?

Antonio Brown's the highest paid WR at a total contract of $68 million.  That would be 6th highest for DT.

 

I'm not sure what your chart is suggesting.  Can you elaborate?

 

Total contract is one thing, but the per year numbers would speak to a much different scenario.

 

The three highest paid by year wideouts are

Brown- 17/yr

Evans- 16.5/yr

Hopkins 16.2/yr

 

Defensive Tackles

Cox 17.1/yr

Short 16.1/yr

Dareus 15.85/yr

 

So, I think its closer than we think.   In terms of what 3-4 Defensive Tackles make a year (the scheme Donald is currently in) Michael Brockers is the highest paid guy at 11.083/yr

 

My chart is attempting to show that when comparing the players you mentioned in your previous post, the Wideouts meant more in terms of success in the playoffs.  Lot of variables there, most notably quarterback. 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Total contract is one thing, but the per year numbers would speak to a much different scenario.

 

The three highest paid by year wideouts are

Brown- 17/yr

Evans- 16.5/yr

Hopkins 16.2/yr

 

Defensive Tackles

Cox 17.1/yr

Short 16.1/yr

Dareus 15.85/yr

 

So, I think its closer than we think.   In terms of what 3-4 Defensive Tackles make a year (the scheme Donald is currently in) Michael Brockers is the highest paid guy at 11.083/yr

 

My chart is attempting to show that when comparing the players you mentioned in your previous post, the Wideouts meant more in terms of success in the playoffs.  Lot of variables there, most notably quarterback. 

 

Another scenario you can look at is guaranteed money.  Brown is at $19 million.  Cox at $63 million etc....

 

Im not a contract expert but doesn’t longer term contracts mean it’s harder to get rid of them?  Correct me if I’m wrong.  

 

How does Cox not make your chart when the Eagles won the Super Bowl?

[billsfan_34]

9 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

I believe the Bills have a better chance at Mack than this scenario for all the reasons I've posted elsewhere. Darnold is going nowhere, but Mack is in play.

Is Carr in a contract year? If so maybe they have to tag Carr. That would make Mack a free man!