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1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s coming. I’ve said for years on here what a disaster that crew is. They are totally incompetent. They landed Drew Brees, Payton and Benson went senile at the same time. They are as inept a grip as there is but have won despite it.  Having worked in sports for some time and knowing a zillion people that work for them it’s kind of sad (but inevitable). 

 

They will I’ll get an elite package in return it still... It is going to be something like Kuzna, Lonzo, Ingram and a 1st or Tatum, Smart, Horford and a 1st (or something like that). It will be the biggest return a team has ever received but you can’t trade generational players for future All-Stars but that’s what will happen.

I’m kidding about the Celtics.. I do think he’s headed to LA. Lebron has been all over him. Too bad for the Pelicans that they couldn’t make this work! He’s the guy you build a team around. 

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14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m kidding about the Celtics.. I do think he’s headed to LA. Lebron has been all over him. Too bad for the Pelicans that they couldn’t make this work! He’s the guy you build a team around. 

It’s their own fault. They will need to win a round to keep him. They will try (which could end up even worse). They may add someone like Beal this year to try to make a run. It will cost them something like Niko and a 1st. If it doesn’t work they’ll trade AD for something like that Lakers package. As bad as it will be you could start next year with a worse core than Lonzo, Holiday, Beal, Ingram, Randle, and Kuzma. They’ll need some size but that’s a nice young team. It still won’t matter though. That’s like being Denver. You can’t win with a bunch of fringe all-stars. You win with MVP candidates.  

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The NBA is hurting itself, teams used to play three different types of defense in the course of a season. 

 

Regular season defense 

All Star Game Defense

Playoff defense

 

This season it looks like regular season and All Star game are now combined. 130’s in regulation, oh come on, put a hand up, move your feet!

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16 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

The NBA is hurting itself, teams used to play three different types of defense in the course of a season. 

 

Regular season defense 

All Star Game Defense

Playoff defense

 

This season it looks like regular season and All Star game are now combined. 130’s in regulation, oh come on, put a hand up, move your feet!

 

back the 1980s again

 

the whole regular season is a joke

 

the only question is who is going to sit out to "rest" the night you spend over $200 on tickets to go to a game

 

must be tough playing a third game in a week in the NBA

 

 

 

i tape three games and see the starting lineup and then decide what single game to watch

 

 

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On 1/3/2019 at 9:28 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s their own fault. They will need to win a round to keep him. They will try (which could end up even worse). They may add someone like Beal this year to try to make a run. It will cost them something like Niko and a 1st. If it doesn’t work they’ll trade AD for something like that Lakers package. As bad as it will be you could start next year with a worse core than Lonzo, Holiday, Beal, Ingram, Randle, and Kuzma. They’ll need some size but that’s a nice young team. It still won’t matter though. That’s like being Denver. You can’t win with a bunch of fringe all-stars. You win with MVP candidates.  

Tatum has more potential than any of the Lakers youths, so I’d be on the phone with the C’s first.

11 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

Is Luka Doncic the goat ? 

 

Im thinking yes.   

I’m dreaming of an all Euro squad, JJ Barea, Luka, Frank Nkitillina, KP, Jokic with TP off the bench.

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2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Lebron missing out on PG, Kawhi AND AD may cause him to retire a few years early.

It’s crazy but I think that it’s likely he misses on all 3. Maybe he can get Boogie, Kemba or Klay? It is either that or he is going to force the Lakers to start trading these young guys in a desperation move. Maybe Lonzo, Ingram and a 1st for Lillard? Maybe they try for Beal or (gasp) Wall?

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4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s crazy but I think that it’s likely he misses on all 3. Maybe he can get Boogie, Kemba or Klay? It is either that or he is going to force the Lakers to start trading these young guys in a desperation move. Maybe Lonzo, Ingram and a 1st for Lillard? Maybe they try for Beal or (gasp) Wall?

AD I think was the best fit. Lebron needed a player that wears down the interior D, and a guy that will win 1-1’s down low while he stands there or is off the floor. Anyone else is settling.

 

He will panick and jettison Ball and Ingram before long. Incredible that they were considered to be a fair Kawhi package not too long ago.

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20 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

AD I think was the best fit. Lebron needed a player that wears down the interior D, and a guy that will win 1-1’s down low while he stands there or is off the floor. Anyone else is settling.

 

He will panick and jettison Ball and Ingram before long. Incredible that they were considered to be a fair Kawhi package not too long ago.

AD would instantly be the best player LeBron has ever played with (including Wade in his prime). They just don’t have the chips to get it done IMO. Their best hope is that the Celtics think the asking price is too high and pulls out. Otherwise, it’s going to be exactly as you said. He will be all over Magic and Pelinka to start sending those young guys off for vets (most likely ends up being bad contracts). He then has a 3-year window to try to win another one.

 

The one wild card in all of this is KD. KD is a different dude. I could see him walking away from GS. I don’t think it’s likely but possible.

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1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

AD would instantly be the best player LeBron has ever played with (including Wade in his prime). They just don’t have the chips to get it done IMO. Their best hope is that the Celtics think the asking price is too high and pulls out. Otherwise, it’s going to be exactly as you said. He will be all over Magic and Pelinka to start sending those young guys off for vets (most likely ends up being bad contracts). He then has a 3-year window to try to win another one.

 

The one wild card in all of this is KD. KD is a different dude. I could see him walking away from GS. I don’t think it’s likely but possible.

I would love to see KD leave the West entirely.  Warriors, Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets would be a fun top 4 next season.  If KD joined, say, the Knicks (please), and we had Raptors, C's, Knicks, and Pacers in the East?  Lots of potential contenders.

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14 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

I would love to see KD leave the West entirely.  Warriors, Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets would be a fun top 4 next season.  If KD joined, say, the Knicks (please), and we had Raptors, C's, Knicks, and Pacers in the East?  Lots of potential contenders.

KD heading to the Knicks would make the East a lot more interesting especially if AD goes to the Celtics. The East would have AD, KD, Giannis and Kawhi. When was the last time 4 MVP caliber players were in the East?

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12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

AD would instantly be the best player LeBron has ever played with (including Wade in his prime). They just don’t have the chips to get it done IMO. Their best hope is that the Celtics think the asking price is too high and pulls out. Otherwise, it’s going to be exactly as you said. He will be all over Magic and Pelinka to start sending those young guys off for vets (most likely ends up being bad contracts). He then has a 3-year window to try to win another one.

 

The one wild card in all of this is KD. KD is a different dude. I could see him walking away from GS. I don’t think it’s likely but possible.

Not even close as you note.  AD is so freaking special.  

 

AD to the Celtics is a no-go until Kyrie opts out in the offseason so this is the only window the Lakers could offer a package that might tempt NO.  If it goes to the offseason, I can't see the Lakers offering close to what Boston could do.  

 

I think he's gone.  The Warriors are Steph's team and will always be.  The Clippers are a serious contender if he stays in the West.

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19 minutes ago, stony said:

Not even close as you note.  AD is so freaking special.  

 

AD to the Celtics is a no-go until Kyrie opts out in the offseason so this is the only window the Lakers could offer a package that might tempt NO.  If it goes to the offseason, I can't see the Lakers offering close to what Boston could do.  

 

I think he's gone.  The Warriors are Steph's team and will always be.  The Clippers are a serious contender if he stays in the West.

Some interesting thoughts stony!! If KD went to the Clips that Clippers/Lakers dynamic would be nuts.

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19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Celtics can’t trade for him until July because of Kyrie/the Rose Rule

 

 

 

i think this is AD’s agent just getting him to the Lakers. Isn’t rich Paul lebron’s agent too?

Rich Paul met Lebron while selling jerseys out of his trunk. Lebron hired him as a “personal assistant”, as their relationship grew he became his agent. He is now a power player in the NBA. 

 

I dont like Lebron but he takes care of those around him. Paul’s original salary was 50k, I’m sure he is making bank now. 

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Seems to me that AD can control where he goes to some degree. As a 2020 FA, no team will give up assets that will be necessary to obtain him without knowing he will sign with them beyond this next year. So if he wants LA, his agent can just tell Ainge he isn’t going to sign with Boston. But his words about wanting to go to a winner... I mean, playing with Lebron is one thing but that team isn’t that good overall. 

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34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Seems to me that AD can control where he goes to some degree. As a 2020 FA, no team will give up assets that will be necessary to obtain him without knowing he will sign with them beyond this next year. So if he wants LA, his agent can just tell Ainge he isn’t going to sign with Boston. But his words about wanting to go to a winner... I mean, playing with Lebron is one thing but that team isn’t that good overall. 

Agree to a certain extent, but most teams will take their chances on persuading him to re-sign ala Kawhi and Toronto.  Two years of prime AD is tough to pass up for any team even if it means a substantial outlay of assets.  

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26 minutes ago, stony said:

Agree to a certain extent, but most teams will take their chances on persuading him to re-sign ala Kawhi and Toronto.  Two years of prime AD is tough to pass up for any team even if it means a substantial outlay of assets.  

I think it depends on what the deal is. Celtics giving up young talent would be tough to swallow if he doesn’t sign there. I assume Tatum is off the table but who knows.

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The NBA has a serious problem on their hands with these star player "trade me now" shenanigans.  It was Kyrie Irving.  Then Kawhi Leonard.  Now Anthony Davis.  

 

The owners are going to do one of two things (or both).

 

Lock the players out until its addressed in the new CBA;

 

Collude collectively, just like MLB is doing to their free agents, against these player attempts.  In this scenario, no team trades for AD and no team signs him in free agency either and he just sits...and sits...

 

  

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1 hour ago, dpberr said:

The NBA has a serious problem on their hands with these star player "trade me now" shenanigans.  It was Kyrie Irving.  Then Kawhi Leonard.  Now Anthony Davis.  

 

The owners are going to do one of two things (or both).

 

Lock the players out until its addressed in the new CBA;

 

Collude collectively, just like MLB is doing to their free agents, against these player attempts.  In this scenario, no team trades for AD and no team signs him in free agency either and he just sits...and sits...

 

  

 

why?  the stars have always dictated where they want to go and play

 

Wilt, Kareem, Doc,  Moses let the pack in their day.

 

 

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Never thought I'd be that guy.. but I might revoke my Knicks fandom :( this is inexcusable. The last straw

On 1/29/2019 at 3:32 PM, dpberr said:

The NBA has a serious problem on their hands with these star player "trade me now" shenanigans.  It was Kyrie Irving.  Then Kawhi Leonard.  Now Anthony Davis.  

 

The owners are going to do one of two things (or both).

 

Lock the players out until its addressed in the new CBA;

 

Collude collectively, just like MLB is doing to their free agents, against these player attempts.  In this scenario, no team trades for AD and no team signs him in free agency either and he just sits...and sits...

 

  

it's fun! Best league in pro sports.

 

Any league where the power dynamic is comparable to Game of Thrones is a dope league.

 

The NFL parody show would be like.. Westworld

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37 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

He will forever be known as poor mans Dirk. Hope you are happy KP.

So weird considering the situation though. KP hasn't played a year, and goes off in one day.

 

Only thing I can think of is they pushed hard for KP for AD.. and KP got pissed, proving himself for the incompetent team that maxes Melo with Joaqin Noah, KP and max Hardaway. It's a player's league and I personally find the news and drama fun! Watch game of zones sometime.

 

Knowing the Knicks, they are the biggest failure for a big market team in a players' league.. WTF?! how can they not attract guys, let alone retain them. Horribly ran. Watch the premium free agents go elsewhere while the Knicks max second tier players like Kris Middleton.. like they always do.

 

I see it as a "I'm breaking up with you before you break up with me" situation. KP knew Knicks were shopping him since last year. You know they were pushing HARD for Anthony Davis's. I don't get mad at players for requesting out any more than I get mad at teams for trading players that want to stay.. why side with the teams. NBA is the most fun league for me because the power is even, and the resulting drama is like watching Game of Thrones

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17 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

So weird considering the situation though. KP hasn't played a year, and goes off in one day.

 

Only thing I can think of is they pushed hard for KP for AD.. and KP got pissed, proving himself for the incompetent team that maxes Melo with Joaqin Noah, KP and max Hardaway. It's a player's league and I personally find the news and drama fun! Watch game of zones sometime.

 

Knowing the Knicks, they are the biggest failure for a big market team in a players' league.. WTF?! how can they not attract guys, let alone retain them. Horribly ran. Watch the premium free agents go elsewhere while the Knicks max second tier players like Kris Middleton.. like they always do.

 

I see it as a "I'm breaking up with you before you break up with me" situation. KP knew Knicks were shopping him since last year. You know they were pushing HARD for Anthony Davis's. I don't get mad at players for requesting out any more than I get mad at teams for trading players that want to stay.. why side with the teams. NBA is the most fun league for me because the power is even, and the resulting drama is like watching Game of Thrones

I like Game of Thrones on Sunday night, I like sports to be competitive on the court/field. I like the owners/GMs to make personnel decisions, I like coaches that coach and players that play. 

 

I dont like players having all the power, it eliminates a lot of the strategy that goes into team building. I’m a Celts fan, I can’t even imagine how places like NO, and OK feel. 

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11 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

I like Game of Thrones on Sunday night, I like sports to be competitive on the court/field. I like the owners/GMs to make personnel decisions, I like coaches that coach and players that play. 

 

I dont like players having all the power, it eliminates a lot of the strategy that goes into team building. I’m a Celts fan, I can’t even imagine how places like NO, and OK feel. 

It's 50/50. It only eliminates poorly ran franchises. Harden didn't want out of OK, KD didn't like management choosing Russ over him to run the team, or the coach. AD wanted out of NO. Spurs do just fine. It holds management 1000x more accountable and doesn't waste away the years of Barry Sanders's.

 

GSW were nothing before they built their team through the draft. But I'll concede it certainly eliminates some team building strategy.. but more to the extent that it forces team building strategy to a higher standard. Chargers aren't allowed to blow Phillip Rivers' career for 7+ years in between his great teams from 2007 to 2019. Rivers demands a trade to the Bills in my NBA/NFL hybrid world.

 

JMO

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I swear to God I absolutely f*****g HATE James Dolan. The biggest f***tard in all of sports. We had a good thing going and then he flips half the team for Carmelo Anthony. Now we are doing exactly what we are supposed to do to land Zion Williamson, this idiot trades away Porzingas, and we get players back that will likely play us out of that position. We are not gonna get Kyrie. We are not gonna get Durant. Dumbest f*****g owner in ALL of professional sports. Stupid, just absolutely f*****g stupid. 

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5 hours ago, H2o said:

I swear to God I absolutely f*****g HATE James Dolan. The biggest f***tard in all of sports. We had a good thing going and then he flips half the team for Carmelo Anthony. Now we are doing exactly what we are supposed to do to land Zion Williamson, this idiot trades away Porzingas, and we get players back that will likely play us out of that position. We are not gonna get Kyrie. We are not gonna get Durant. Dumbest f*****g owner in ALL of professional sports. Stupid, just absolutely f*****g stupid. 

Dude.. absolutely spot f******g on.

 

plan for specific offseason -> tank and draft star -> strike out on big name FAs -> overpay mediocre players with cap space -> suck -> trade bad contracts for expiring deals 4 years later

 

They're gonna miss on the 4 Marquis FA, regardless even if they get one, they're not nearly good enough to be any better than the Pelicans with AD (probably worse without a True Holiday). They literally need 2-3 max guys, 2 being 2 of KD, Kemba Walker, AD, Kyrie, Kawhi, Paul George, whoever I'm missing. They sign Kris Middleton and like.. Jaylen Brown to max deals. Guarantee it. They're getting Zion (and trading him 2-4 years later) second tier FAs for Max contracts that they will salary dump 2-4 years later AS THEY DID WITH MELO + NOAH, TIM HARDAWAY JR + KRISTAPS, and now Kris friggin Middleton.

 

AND REPEAT. OVER AND OVER AGAIN. WHAT THE HELL.

 

Dude.. they drafted Tim Hardaway Jr, gave him away, then signed him to a max. They traded Kristaps for Dennis Smith Jr who they passed on in the draft for Frank NTILIKINA. And this is literally the biggest salary dump in league history right now. This trade has me on the edge as a Knicks fan.

 

Bill Simmons said Knicks fans are at serious major odds with management by this point and the length and magnitude of ineptitude merits considering finding another team.

 

The management is something I don't know how to deal with as a fan. The Bills haven't even come close to making me feel like that. All those posts people make after a poor Bills season how they're giving up are friggin p***is as fans compared to what us Knicks fans endure.

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Being a fan of the Knicks is like.. if the Bills had Petermans everywhere.. every season lol. And Terry Pegs fired every crappy Peterman caliber coach in favor of the Petermans. 

 

because the Peterman-coaches are the sole problem and Pegs thinks the Peterman OL, DL CBs and Ks and another Peterman coach might fix everything along with signing a Peterman FB for a 40M 3 year deal fully guaranteed.

 

and then we draft Luke Kuechly but can't re-sign him after his rookie contract after we signed a Peterman FA to be in cap hell the year prior to Kuechly's contract expiration

6 hours ago, H2o said:

Dumbest f*****g owner in ALL of professional sports. Stupid, just absolutely f*****g stupid. 

What I'm trying to say is.. I've been rooting for Petermaknickerbockers of the 30 NBA teams my whole life.

 

And my allegience as a Bills fan would be a moral dilemma to me if we paid so many Petermans for so much money for 25 years

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On 1/13/2019 at 9:33 AM, row_33 said:

Knicks and Jets are cursed?

Knicks had the early 90s Ewing teams which were pretty good and super fun at least. It was a team of enforcers lol.. Charles Oakley and Anthony Mason we're probably the top 2 maniac enforcers in the league.. on the same team! Lol

 

Serious question row, when, if ever, does one have the moral high ground to seek changing fandom. NBA.. NFL.. I always loved the Knicks. Loved Melo, Kristaps, now Trier.. and I think I still love them, I really do. But in the back of my mind I know I'm in an abusive relationship and my wife named Knickerbockers beats the crap out of me when I come home from a hard Day's work. And today she cheated on me (again) and had her lover beat the crap out of me and lock me out of my own house I paid for.

 

But I still love the her, I love the Knicks, and I promised in my marriage and fandom vows to stay until death does me in.

 

Would I be horrible for tepidly rooting for the Mavs (stadium is right across the street from me, I go to 20+ games a year) of Bucks fan (my brother's team). See my posts above ^.

 

What would row do?

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8 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

Knicks had the early 90s Ewing teams which were pretty good and super fun at least. It was a team of enforcers lol.. Charles Oakley and Anthony Mason we're probably the top 2 maniac enforcers in the league.. on the same team! Lol

 

Serious question row, when, if ever, does one have the moral high ground to seek changing fandom. NBA.. NFL.. I always loved the Knicks. Loved Melo, Kristaps, now Trier.. and I think I still love them, I really do. But in the back of my mind I know I'm in an abusive relationship and my wife named Knickerbockers beats the crap out of me when I come home from a hard Day's work. And today she cheated on me (again) and had her lover beat the crap out of me and lock me out of my own house I paid for.

 

But I still love the her, I love the Knicks, and I promised in my marriage and fandom vows to stay until death does me in.

 

Would I be horrible for tepidly rooting for the Mavs (stadium is right across the street from me, I go to 20+ games a year) of Bucks fan (my brother's team). See my posts above ^.

 

What would row do?

 

As for the Knicks, I started watching them in the last years of the Dynasty, i remember the 1973 FInals. Fans treated this team like it was Holy Holy Holy the way they played and the personalities grooving together.

 

I kind of bandwagoned onto the C's for the Hondo and Bird years myself.

 

The Knicks had a very good team for a few yers around Ewing, it wasn't close to the memories of Clyde and Pearl and Dollar Bill and to me the NBA was at a low point in stardom after the Bird/Magjc excellence. 

 

I really liked the Knicks team just before Ewing with Ray Williams and Michael Ray Richardson and Cartwright and Bernard King stepping in, entertaining but not going far in the playoffs.

 

As a fan in Toronto i watch East games mostly and keep tuning in for the Knicks for tradition and hoping to see that early 70s magic again...

 

 

 

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