Deranged Rhino Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 One unsourced picture = all conservatives. The dishonesty is off the charts right now... wonder why that is. Must be something big coming down the tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 23 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: One unsourced picture = all conservatives. The dishonesty is off the charts right now... wonder why that is. Must be something big coming down the tracks. And you know dishonesty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Only because you keep posting example after example of it day after day, Gator... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 4 hours ago, Buftex said: Your the perfect example of everything I am talking about. A smart person who has completely excepted trolling as a political way of life. Samantha Bee calling Ivanka Trump a feckless c*nt..somebody called the Trump boys morons. Do you really want to contend that no more outrageous things have been said about liberals from the people who apparently represent you? Ted Nugent? Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, any handful of Republicans who have been busted for sending around emails suggesting that Michelle Obama is a gorilla. Hillary Clinton runs a pedophile ring out of a pizzeria... Your hypocrisy strips your arguments of any dignity. And your so gleeful to sell yourself out. It is really disheartening. Maybe you are right...Trump runs away with the 2020 election because liberals are a bunch of emotional pansies...is that anything hang your hat on? No need to answer, the evidence is everywhere on the PPP board. You can't raise the bar, so lower it... So, he's against trolling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: So, he's against trolling? Only impalpably. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Koko78 said: Only impalpably. I expected this kind of adverse reaction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: I expected this kind of adverse reaction. I except your acception, however, it's a mute point anyhow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Koko78 said: I except your acception, however, it's a mute point anyhow. After that I understand why you have such little self of steam. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 You're both dumasses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, DC Tom said: You're both dumasses. Double dumass on you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 7 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: No reason to. Trump is Trump. If you think the guy is going to show anything that could be perceived as weakness in this stage of the game, you aren't paying attention. I don't think a willingness to confront or practice a bit of diplomacy with your philosophical adversaries is showing weakness. Quite the opposite IMO, but agree with your point that it's not Trump's way. Given the extent to which he is under attack each day and what his true priorities are or should be, it's not unreasonable to cancel the Eagle visit. I still think it was a missed opportunity for him and for them. At the very least it results in Sarah Sanders telling the press corps the next day that the President made the offer to have some dialogue and nearly all chose not to show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: I don't think a willingness to confront or practice a bit of diplomacy with your philosophical adversaries is showing weakness. Quite the opposite IMO, but agree with your point that it's not Trump's way. Given the extent to which he is under attack each day and what his true priorities are or should be, it's not unreasonable to cancel the Eagle visit. I still think it was a missed opportunity for him and for them. At the very least it results in Sarah Sanders telling the press corps the next day that the President made the offer to have some dialogue and nearly all chose not to show up. “Elections have consequences.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 50 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: I don't think a willingness to confront or practice a bit of diplomacy with your philosophical adversaries is showing weakness. Quite the opposite IMO, but agree with your point that it's not Trump's way. Given the extent to which he is under attack each day and what his true priorities are or should be, it's not unreasonable to cancel the Eagle visit. I still think it was a missed opportunity for him and for them. At the very least it results in Sarah Sanders telling the press corps the next day that the President made the offer to have some dialogue and nearly all chose not to show up. Nor do I, but it could certainly be perceived that way, which is what I was trying to say. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 12 hours ago, Gary M said: the government should not have been subsidizing your daughters education in the first place. I think it was a great program that was helping an autistic kid get an opportunity to find a vocational career. How do u make huge cuts to that type of program? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 16 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I think it was a great program that was helping an autistic kid get an opportunity to find a vocational career. How do u make huge cuts to that type of program? Because you benefited from it at the expense of everyone else. I find no value in it. The federal government should not be subsidizing the cost of anyone's higher education. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 3 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Because you benefited from it at the expense of everyone else. I find no value in it. The federal government should not be mr. epsysubsidizing the cost of anyone's higher education. I think it's time to take a step back here. You somewhat fall on the conservative side and we conservatives have never sided against programs for people with special challenges. Tell us more mrEpysYtown. Make your case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: I think it's time to take a step back here. You somewhat fall on the conservative side and we conservatives have never sided against programs for people with special challenges. Tell us more mrEpysYtown. Make your case. The federal government should not be in the business of subsidizing college education. Full stop. It has nothing to do with anyone's disabilities. No one, disabled or otherwise, should receive these sorts of benefits. These sorts of decisions should be made at the state level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 6 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: The federal government should not be in the business of subsidizing college education. Full stop. It has nothing to do with anyone's disabilities. No one, disabled or otherwise, should receive these sorts of benefits. These sorts of decisions should be made at the state level. It's so easy to be right. It really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 personal politics aside this was a smart/consistent to his type move by trump. the old culture war issues the republicans failed with have been replaced with new ones they should be winning with (they aren't called the stupid party for nothing), and trump is winning with. his off the cuff and obtuse nature is a feature, not a bug. the media in nearly its entirety is left leaning politically and socially, and 1990s republican right/globalist leaning economically, both of which are clear opposites to trump's mandate. since he ran against both the establishment of the GOP and the Dems (and both of their arms of the media, obviously the Dem's is much larger and more prestigious) he basically relies on his over the top statements and twitter to control the narrative. rescinding the offer to the eagles, who clearly had planned on embarrassing him, and turning it around helps drive the wedge on the culture war issue of outward displays of patriotism and support for military/police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 43 minutes ago, colin said: personal politics aside this was a smart/consistent to his type move by trump. the old culture war issues the republicans failed with have been replaced with new ones they should be winning with (they aren't called the stupid party for nothing), and trump is winning with. his off the cuff and obtuse nature is a feature, not a bug. the media in nearly its entirety is left leaning politically and socially, and 1990s republican right/globalist leaning economically, both of which are clear opposites to trump's mandate. since he ran against both the establishment of the GOP and the Dems (and both of their arms of the media, obviously the Dem's is much larger and more prestigious) he basically relies on his over the top statements and twitter to control the narrative. rescinding the offer to the eagles, who clearly had planned on embarrassing him, and turning it around helps drive the wedge on the culture war issue of outward displays of patriotism and support for military/police. good post i'll add that on the other hand.... appearance and faulty memory get into people's heads and probably 90% of the populace doesn't even think about politics until a few weeks before the next election they will vote with their wallet each time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 8 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: I think it's time to take a step back here. You somewhat fall on the conservative side and we conservatives have never sided against programs for people with special challenges. Tell us more mrEpysYtown. Make your case. The original question asked was if anyone's life was made worse since Trump took office and I answered that mine had because of cuts to this program. For us as a family, the ACCESS VR program was making college a possibility for my daughter who has autism but is higher functioning. It provided things like tutors and other other supports that give her a chance to do well in school. The idea of subsidizing tuition, simply helps because there is a good chance she would fail a class. It gave her an opportunity to go away, because I got the break on tuition, I was able to pay for room and board. I can't get any financial aid or loans for her as I am in that grey area of class. A vocational program like this assures that my kid can become a contributing tax payer and member of society, functioning on her own and becoming a cog in the workforce. Without it, she is much more likely to wind up sitting at home and working for minimum wage. With these cuts, she will likely never have the opportunity to make it in the world on her own. She is home now and attending community college. To me, this is a program that is investing in a person's future, now. At this point, if she had to live on her own, she would surely have to be on welfare. So which one is better? I don't know if decisions were made on state or federal levels, all I know is the cuts were a direct result of Trump policy change. I wouldn't call myself a liberal or conservative...I just try to go with what makes sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 are you sure this actually has happened? couldn't they have cut out coffee and donuts and fake office supplies at the bureaucracy to save programs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: The original question asked was if anyone's life was made worse since Trump took office and I answered that mine had because of cuts to this program. For us as a family, the ACCESS VR program was making college a possibility for my daughter who has autism but is higher functioning. It provided things like tutors and other other supports that give her a chance to do well in school. The idea of subsidizing tuition, simply helps because there is a good chance she would fail a class. It gave her an opportunity to go away, because I got the break on tuition, I was able to pay for room and board. I can't get any financial aid or loans for her as I am in that grey area of class. A vocational program like this assures that my kid can become a contributing tax payer and member of society, functioning on her own and becoming a cog in the workforce. Without it, she is much more likely to wind up sitting at home and working for minimum wage. With these cuts, she will likely never have the opportunity to make it in the world on her own. She is home now and attending community college. To me, this is a program that is investing in a person's future, now. At this point, if she had to live on her own, she would surely have to be on welfare. So which one is better? I don't know if decisions were made on state or federal levels, all I know is the cuts were a direct result of Trump policy change. I wouldn't call myself a liberal or conservative...I just try to go with what makes sense. You should petition your local or state government to enact law which would benefit your daughter and family. The federal government should be dealing in things which only have direct shared utility: the military, the border, currency, etc.. The country is too large, and there are too many different cultures to be guided by policy which tax us all to provide exclusive direct benefit for some. State populations are more homogenous, and are likely to share more similarities in values. Hopefully you live in a state which would provide such a benefit to your daughter. If not, you can petition the governments local to you, as I mentioned above. Failing that you can move to an area which holds those same values. You can reach out to private charities and churches. You can reach out to the institutions of higher learning and ask them to provide the service at a reduced cost. Every family and every individual has unique problems. It is not the federal government's job to solve them. The only just role of the federal government is to provide economic stability through law which is conducive to business, to provide and protect legal equity, and to secure peace and prosperity through the protection of our borders against invasion. That's just about it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: The original question asked was if anyone's life was made worse since Trump took office and I answered that mine had because of cuts to this program. For us as a family, the ACCESS VR program was making college a possibility for my daughter who has autism but is higher functioning. It provided things like tutors and other other supports that give her a chance to do well in school. The idea of subsidizing tuition, simply helps because there is a good chance she would fail a class. It gave her an opportunity to go away, because I got the break on tuition, I was able to pay for room and board. I can't get any financial aid or loans for her as I am in that grey area of class. A vocational program like this assures that my kid can become a contributing tax payer and member of society, functioning on her own and becoming a cog in the workforce. Without it, she is much more likely to wind up sitting at home and working for minimum wage. With these cuts, she will likely never have the opportunity to make it in the world on her own. She is home now and attending community college. To me, this is a program that is investing in a person's future, now. At this point, if she had to live on her own, she would surely have to be on welfare. So which one is better? I don't know if decisions were made on state or federal levels, all I know is the cuts were a direct result of Trump policy change. I wouldn't call myself a liberal or conservative...I just try to go with what makes sense. Don't know how much experience you have with college applications and the various aid programs that are out there but you can likely find some help for your daughter. Having put 3 through college 1 of which has a vision impairment I can tell you that acceptance and assistance varies wildly from state to state and school to school. Being in community college now she could look to transfer to a 4 year school and for sure if you inquire you will find tutoring and other study accommodations available at most schools. That is an absolute certainty but will vary some from school to school. Financial aid-wise there should also be some offers out there but you have to dig at each school/state and her choice of major may also impact that. It can be a lot of work but worth it IMO. Mine visually impaired was given extra time for testing, large font materials, visual aids, preferential course registration and applied for and received a small departmental scholarship. Don't know where you are but most in-state tuition is relatively cheap in most states. Edited June 7, 2018 by keepthefaith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 On 6/6/2018 at 10:01 AM, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: IDK, I personally think that a sitting politician using the weight of his office to pressure private industry to alter their policies is troubling. Especially when he seems to have vindictive, petty personal reasons for doing so. Man, you must have absolutely HATED Obama. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I appreciate all the feedback and words guys. I don't know what al, of the answers are, but my family and I will continue to do what we have to do to make things work. Thanks 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Ovechkin openly supported Putin in his election. I'll bet he gets an invite to the WH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Ovechkin openly supported Putin in his election. I'll bet he gets an invite to the WH The entire team will get an invite as is custom. Conservatives will then be butt hurt because Smith-Pelly does not attend. Liberals will be butt hurt because Ovechkin attends. It's going to become another fiasco to distract distract distract. Edited June 8, 2018 by peace out 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I'm glad they cancelled it and don't think they should bring it back. Why is the government celebrating a private sport team anyway? It's a silly photo op that has become a negative distraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 hour ago, peace out said: The entire team will get an invite as is custom. Conservatives will then be butt hurt because Smith-Pelly does not attend. Liberals will be butt hurt because Ovechkin attends. It's going to become another fiasco to distract distract distract. Only because guys like you want to make a big deal out of it. While Trump tackles real problems such as getting NK to get rid of its nukes and straightening out our trade deals you worry about who might or might not attend a WH celebration. That's distraction. At least you haven't taken a page out of gleeful gator's book and rooted for more school shootings to advance the agenda he's been told to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 27 minutes ago, Rob's House said: I'm glad they cancelled it and don't think they should bring it back. Why is the government celebrating a private sport team anyway? It's a silly photo op that has become a negative distraction. It reeks of monarchy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 24 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Only because guys like you want to make a big deal out of it. While Trump tackles real problems such as getting NK to get rid of its nukes and straightening out our trade deals you worry about who might or might not attend a WH celebration. That's distraction. At least you haven't taken a page out of gleeful gator's book and rooted for more school shootings to advance the agenda he's been told to follow. guys like you want to make a big deal out of it I don't, but keep up the charade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 22 minutes ago, peace out said: guys like you want to make a big deal out of it I don't, but keep up the charade. "It's going to become another fiasco to distract distract distract." Your words. It certainly would appear that you are trying to make a big deal out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Only because guys like you want to make a big deal out of it. While Trump tackles real problems such as getting NK to get rid of its nukes and straightening out our trade deals you worry about who might or might not attend a WH celebration. That's distraction. At least you haven't taken a page out of gleeful gator's book and rooted for more school shootings to advance the agenda he's been told to follow. Trump works? I thought the deal has already been reached with Kim, according to one poster, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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