IDBillzFan Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: While the NHLPA makes sure the players are rightly compensated through the CBA that includes a pension plan. MODS!!! I don't come to this board to discuss HOCKEY!! Take you hockey talk north of the border, you damn freaks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Just now, LABillzFan said: MODS!!! I don't come to this board to discuss HOCKEY!! Take you hockey talk north of the border, you damn freaks! Sorta reminds me of that old joke I went to the fights the other night and a hockey game broke out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 2 hours ago, ALF said: If dogs could do that (I don't know) that is a great idea ! They certainly can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 3 hours ago, ALF said: If dogs could do that (I don't know) that is a great idea ! They can, easily, and the deterrent factor would be incalculable. I've proposed this idea to my local legislators, having watched the efficacy of dogs in the drug interdiction realm coming through customs for years. Makes so much sense, but I can't bang the drum any louder. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 hour ago, sherpa said: They can, easily, and the deterrent factor would be incalculable. I've proposed this idea to my local legislators, having watched the efficacy of dogs in the drug interdiction realm coming through customs for years. Makes so much sense, but I can't bang the drum any louder. Are you talking actual weapons like a pistol or rifle in addition to explosives? If so, it's a no brainer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 29 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Are you talking actual weapons like a pistol or rifle in addition to explosives? If so, it's a no brainer. I'm talking about a dog's ability to sniff out explosives. Bullets are explosives, and can be detected. Dogs can do this. I have been suggesting this for a couple years, having watched dogs used by customs/immigration for years. Such an obvious deterrent, and not expensive at all. A dog greets the kids as they enter, and is used for anyone allowed in after the normal start of the day. What is wrong with this idea? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, sherpa said: I'm talking about a dog's ability to sniff out explosives. Bullets are explosives, and can be detected. Dogs can do this. I have been suggesting this for a couple years, having watched dogs used by customs/immigration for years. Such an obvious deterrent, and not expensive at all. A dog greets the kids as they enter, and is used for anyone allowed in after the normal start of the day. What is wrong with this idea? Dogs are aggressive and kill black people. Duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, sherpa said: I'm talking about a dog's ability to sniff out explosives. Bullets are explosives, and can be detected. Dogs can do this. I have been suggesting this for a couple years, having watched dogs used by customs/immigration for years. Such an obvious deterrent, and not expensive at all. A dog greets the kids as they enter, and is used for anyone allowed in after the normal start of the day. What is wrong with this idea? It's a great idea. I was just questioning a dog's ability to sniff out explosives inside a casing. My experience with this is zilch so I'll believe what you say and become a supporter of the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: It's a great idea. I was just questioning a dog's ability to sniff out explosives inside a casing. My experience with this is zilch so I'll believe what you say and become a supporter of the idea. Dogs can be trained to smell bullets. Dogs at doors deter high school punks. Dogs are a lot cheaper than officers. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it. I don't think I am, and I am tired of reading these casualty stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, sherpa said: I'm talking about a dog's ability to sniff out explosives. Bullets are explosives, and can be detected. Dogs can do this. I have been suggesting this for a couple years, having watched dogs used by customs/immigration for years. Such an obvious deterrent, and not expensive at all. A dog greets the kids as they enter, and is used for anyone allowed in after the normal start of the day. What is wrong with this idea? Bullets aren't explosive. You probably mean "ammunition," but ammunition isn't "explosive," either. It contains propellant...which is not quite the same thing as containing explosives. Which is not to say you're wrong - my understanding of bomb-sniffing dogs is that they're detecting nitrate-based compounds given off, and the vast majority of both explosives and propellants are nitrate-based. But you're drastically oversimplifying things. My neighbor trains dogs for the FBI. I'll ask him the next time I see him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 30 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Dogs are aggressive and kill black people. Duh. #CanineLivesMatter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, sherpa said: Dogs can be trained to smell bullets. Dogs at doors deter high school punks. Dogs are a lot cheaper than officers. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it. I don't think I am, and I am tired of reading these casualty stories. Of course, a high school punk can just shoot the dog. And dogs are not cheaper than officers - trained dogs are expensive as hell, and dogs work as part of a dog-handler team, and handlers need to be trained and are more expensive than officers alone. A bomb-sniffing dog represents at least a two-year investment in training the dog, where at least one of those years is spent training with a dedicated handler. Not cheap, nor does availability scale with demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: While the NHLPA makes sure the players are rightly compensated through the CBA that includes a pension plan. Most of the top tier pro sports businesses have to deal with player unions. I'm all for it because it creates some balance in an unbalanced relationship. In the big money sports world owners/management and players/workers negotiate to get a reasonably fair deal done for all the parties. The football union is probably the weakest of the sports unions with basketball being the strongest of the unions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: #CanineLivesMatter The more people I meet = The more I like dogs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 7 hours ago, sherpa said: Dogs trained to sniff out weapons at the door. Not nearly as expensive as other alternatives, and very effective. Not that hard to assign a dog or two per school and take care of it. It wouldn't work. Students coming in large groups and moving quickly in a short period of time would make it impossible for dogs to do their job. The dogs with their handlers usually work one on one with the person who would be examined. And it also must be factored in that those dogs have to constantly be tested in a training setting to make sure that their smell is both reinforced and still working. In addition, even if the dogs were donated (not always the case), the training with the handler is very long and comprehensive. Not all dogs that go through the training make it. In general, it would be a very expensive proposition for a school system to handle the costs associated with this endeavor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 3 hours ago, sherpa said: I'm talking about a dog's ability to sniff out explosives. Bullets are explosives, and can be detected. Dogs can do this. I have been suggesting this for a couple years, having watched dogs used by customs/immigration for years. Such an obvious deterrent, and not expensive at all. A dog greets the kids as they enter, and is used for anyone allowed in after the normal start of the day. What is wrong with this idea? So these dogs will just show up for work every day? No handlers? Sounds very expensive and I can’t imagine that there are enough dogs/handlers trained to handle the need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Dozens of German Shepherds at a school, how could that be anything but Utopia?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 I am continuously amazed at the lack of effort expended to try to come to grips with these tragedies, and these latest responses are evidence of that. You don't need "dozens of german shepherds." You need a couple of trained dogs and a method of having students enter one door. Have any of you ever traveled internationally? In many customs/immigration halls, at the bottom of an escalator, moving walkway, or other funneling process, trained dogs are positioned. Usually they are drug trained, but I've talked to their handlers many times, and there are other possibilities. It isn't nearly as expensive as other options, but evidently we would prefer put up with these mass shootings rather than come up with a solution. I proposed a similar thing regarding aircraft bombings. the explosives used in those instances are, largely, odorless. We add a noxious and easily noticeable smell to natural gas so if a leak exists it is easily detected, yet we don't require explosive manufacturers to add a similar component to explosives. I proposed that to my Congressman and both senators, and each staff responded that it seemed like a no-brainer proposal. I'm told gun ammunition is detectable, but why not make it more easily detectable by adding a similar component to make its smell more noticeable? What possible objection would the gun lobby have? Nothing is free, but I doubt there would be any serious taxpayer objection, and if there was, I'd I'd be the first to donate to a dog training fund to enable our schools to have access to such a deterrent. Alternatively, we can do noting, and continue to mourn these events a few times per year, with no sign of letting up, while our extremely expensive "resource officers" who are clearly not a deterrent, do their thing after bullets are fired and lives lost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) Reading the front page of the BN , Lockport schools will be installing facial recognition and tracking software. I don't know how this expensive camera system would detect a problem early. http://uschnews.com/lockport-schools-turn-to-state-of-the-art-technology-to-beef-up-security-the-buffalo-news/ Edited May 20, 2018 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, ALF said: Reading the front page of the BN , Lockport schools will be installing facial recognition and tracking software. I don't know how this expensive camera system would detect a problem early. But, but, but they're doing something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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