Shaw66 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 I wanted to see specifically how much difference Edmunds' size and speed should make over Preston Brown, so I calculated it. If the QB delivers the ball in two seconds and throws a 35 yard pass, the ball arrives at its destination about 3 seconds after the snap. Based on their combine times for the 20 and 40, Edmunds will get 1.5 to 2 yards deep (on a deep drop) or wider (if he's going to the flat) than Brown. Plus, Edmunds is 4 inches taller and has slightly longer arms. My continuing memories of Brown in pass coverage was that his drops regularly weren't deep enough or wide enough. He read the plays correctly, but the ball always seemed to pass six to twelve inches over his outstretched arm. Assuming Edmunds can learn to make the reads as well as Brown did, those balls are going to be incomplete or intercepted. Bigger, better, faster athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 How does he compare to Keutchly ? His speed makes a lot of difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 4 inches on preston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 5, 2018 Author Share Posted May 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: How does he compare to Keutchly ? His speed makes a lot of difference. Edmunds is slightly faster in the 40. a little slower in the 20, so I'd guess their ability to drop is about the same. Edmunds is two inches taller. So I'd say that physically it's a push. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Sometimes when you get a guy with superior measurables, he will tend to rely on his athleticism and get a little bit lazy in his pursuit of mental mastery of the game. In the case of Tremaine Edmunds, however, he appears to be afootball junkie who was dedicated to film study at a far earlier age than most players in the NFL, thanks to his father, a pro bowl TE in his professional career, who was Tremaine's high school coach. The result of his father's instructions is a player with superior size, athleticism, instinct and football IQ. Given all of that, I will be disappointed if Tremaine doesn't turn out to be a perennial pro bowler. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 A lot 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 5, 2018 Author Share Posted May 5, 2018 1 minute ago, TigerJ said: Sometimes when you get a guy with superior measurables, he will tend to rely on his athleticism and get a little bit lazy in his pursuit of mental mastery of the game. In the case of Tremaine Edmunds, however, he appears to be afootball junkie who was dedicated to film study at a far earlier age than most players in the NFL, thanks to his father, a pro bowl TE in his professional career, who was Tremaine's high school coach. The result of his father's instructions is a player with superior size, athleticism, instinct and football IQ. Given all of that, I will be disappointed if Tremaine doesn't turn out to be a perennial pro bowler. McD won't tolerate mental laziness. Nor worries there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: How does he compare to Keutchly ? His speed makes a lot of difference. Keuchly ran the 40 in 4.58 at his combine performance in 2012. He is 6'3" and weighs about 240. Tremaine Edmunds ran a 4.54 at 6'5" and 253 lbs. So, he's bigger, stronger, and faster. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 5, 2018 Author Share Posted May 5, 2018 Just now, TigerJ said: Keuchly ran the 40 in 4.58 at his combine performance in 2012. He is 6'3" and weighs about 240. Tremaine Edmunds ran a 4.54 at 6'5" and 253 lbs. So, he's bigger, stronger, and faster. Only a bit better all around, but Keuchly's 20 time is faster, which means that Keuchly's better in the first ten steps. That's why I think it's a push. The point is that Edmunds has all the physical tools to be as effective as Keuchly. Keuchly was built for McD's defense, and Edmund's is too. That's why when you read the articles today where Beane talks in depth about the draft, Beane says they were overjoyed after the first night. They didn't think they had a chance to get BOTH a QB they wanted and Edmunds. It fell perfectly for the Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Yeah, I think those grading the Bills draft as a "D" are doing so out of disdain for Allen. If Allen pans out, this becomes an amazing draft for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 the exciting thing to me is not exclusively the physical ability of edmunds, but the addition of star, phillips, and murphy. not to mention the db's that were picked up and/or drafted. this defense did pretty good with modest talent last year. this year, i think it is primed to take another step, and edmunds should absolutely shine! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 I was going to ask.. what distinguishes him from barkevious. I assume he has a better football IQ but all I hear is athleticism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 5, 2018 Author Share Posted May 5, 2018 27 minutes ago, swnybillsfan said: the exciting thing to me is not exclusively the physical ability of edmunds, but the addition of star, phillips, and murphy. not to mention the db's that were picked up and/or drafted. this defense did pretty good with modest talent last year. this year, i think it is primed to take another step, and edmunds should absolutely shine! This is something I've only thought about a little. Others have commented on it. There are a lot of solid players on the defense. Hughes and Lawson and Star and Kyle and Phillips. Edmunds and Zo. DBs and safeties. The defense was pretty good last season, when everyone was just learning. Now they're going to weave in the new comers, and the talent upgrade should make the defense really tough tough this season. Then Zo and Kyle will retire, but they'll be replaced. The defense in Buffalo will a force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: This is something I've only thought about a little. Others have commented on it. There are a lot of solid players on the defense. Hughes and Lawson and Star and Kyle and Phillips. Edmunds and Zo. DBs and safeties. The defense was pretty good last season, when everyone was just learning. Now they're going to weave in the new comers, and the talent upgrade should make the defense really tough tough this season. Then Zo and Kyle will retire, but they'll be replaced. The defense in Buffalo will a force. Totally agree. I didn’t really get excited about the D until a couple days ago when I really sat down and thought about the new members up front and then the drafted guys. It’s very apparent mcdermott wants to build a d that can take over a game and help out the young qb. It would not surprise me one bit to see a leap into the top ten in total yardage and points allowed this coming season. Its exciting to see that aspect get better while STILL being able to make a move at trying to upgrade qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Edmunds is an athletic freak who just turned 20 years old. At 6'5" and 254lbs he ran a 4.53 forty time. He has an 83" wingspan to go along with the height he already possesses. It means he can cover A LOT of ground and do so quickly. He has an elite closing burst. Preston is 4" shorter, about the same weight, has a wingspan shorter fhan Edmunds, and ran a 4.86 forty time. Preston made a lot of tackles, but they were always after he got burnt in coverage or on a ball carrier after a 5 or 6 yard gain. In short, Edmunds will be an immediate upgrade. He plays fast, is a true 3 down LB, and has a closing burst that Preston will never have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 I don't know if people are quite prepared for how big a difference a star middle linebacker and a double-team eating DT will make in McDermott's defense. Seeing Carolina's defense over the years with Kuechly healthy vs the games where he was on the sideline for one reason or another...night and day. And then, additionally, the degree to which a mammoth nose tackle like Star can keep Edmunds clean and allow him to make plays. Boy oh boy, the Bills defense has a chance to be something special. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 So you had to do math to figure out that a faster, taller linebacker has more potential than a shorter slower linebacker. You could've just asked me and saved yourself some time from answering a rather obvious question lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Somewhere in Connecticut... Mom, could you talk to dad? Why. Is something wrong? Well, he is doing his calculations again. And he has got out his slide rule and that mannequin. And well, my friends are coming over. 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliBills92 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 1 hour ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I was going to ask.. what distinguishes him from barkevious. I assume he has a better football IQ but all I hear is athleticism Other than they don't play the same position and Edmunds is bigger, stronger and faster? Mingo was a hand on the ground defensive end not a sideline to sideline LB. I don't understand how you would even relate the two. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: How does he compare to Keutchly ? His speed makes a lot of difference. Edmunds has never cried during a game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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