DrDawkinstein Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Rob's House said: I'm not bitching about it but I do think it's a fair criticism. People always criticize meddling owners. Look at what we said about Al Davis and Jerry Jones. Why should it be any different for her? In fact, the criticism is stronger with her because they were football guys their whole lives and knew the ropes inside and out. Kim's a newb whose only been on the scene for 4 years. But nothing has changed today, other than her being more involved in off-field matters. They have always been active (meddling) owners who have their Head Coach and GM report directly to them. It's always been an issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rob's House said: I'm not bitching about it but I do think it's a fair criticism. People always criticize meddling owners. Look at what we said about Al Davis and Jerry Jones. Why should it be any different for her? In fact, the criticism is stronger with her because they were football guys their whole lives and knew the ropes inside and out. Kim's a newb whose only been on the scene for 4 years. Yep. She is learning but she admits she knows little about football. I don't think she will be making any decisions as President that affect anything to do with football operations, outside of making it more comfortable for the players and coaches and players families, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rob's House said: I'm not bitching about it but I do think it's a fair criticism. People always criticize meddling owners. Look at what we said about Al Davis and Jerry Jones. Why should it be any different for her? In fact, the criticism is stronger with her because they were football guys their whole lives and knew the ropes inside and out. Kim's a newb whose only been on the scene for 4 years. What about ummm say Robert and Jonathan (President) Kraft? you dont have to bee Football people to know how to LEAD a Company Edited May 2, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: True. But as owner she could have hired a President like the guy Kirby suggested who is very qualified for the job and doesn't need the spotlight, and then made any executive decisions she needs to or wants to as his boss, and had a qualified person in that job. She could still do that when theyre ready. This happened fast, so of course they are going to put on the strong face and say "I got this, no problem, it'll be great!". And then find someone down the line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: What about ummm say Robert and Jonathan (President) Kraft? How long has Robert been grooming Jonathan? ....yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, Commonsense said: How long has Robert been grooming Jonathan? ....yikes He has been doing Jonathan's hair every morning since he was two. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. ChumChums Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: True. But as owner she could have hired a President like the guy Kirby suggested who is very qualified for the job and doesn't need the spotlight, and then made any executive decisions she needs to or wants to as his boss, and had a qualified person in that job. This I can agree with. And maybe they will in the future. To play the other side, however - Terry and Kim are trying to build something special in Buffalo with PSE, and have a vision they're trying to execute. It's possible that while they're still in the early stages of executing their vision, that they will have a heavier hand in the day-to-day. Or, they could be having fun with their new toy. Terry has flat out said that he loves being involved with the sport, the numbers, the analytics - basically whatever makes us love football. Kim is the businesswoman who is to actually build the business. Right now, just 4 years into ownership, the toys are still new, and they want to play. Maybe after some time, they'll bring in a true football czar? Who knows, time will tell. Edited May 2, 2018 by Mr. ChumChums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Good riddance Wormtongue, you bulbous sack of unctuous slime. A decade late, but fate pays no credence to time. 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: He has been doing Jonathan's hair every morning since he was two. And he still won’t hand it over!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: But nothing has changed today, other than her being more involved in off-field matters. They have always been active (meddling) owners who have their Head Coach and GM report directly to them. It's always been an issue. Except the time they hired a well-respected, HOF player w/ business experience to run their hockey team...I still think that was their worst decision as owner of both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: True. But as owner she could have hired a President like the guy Kirby suggested who is very qualified for the job and doesn't need the spotlight, and then made any executive decisions she needs to or wants to as his boss, and had a qualified person in that job. And again how do you know they wont. This right now is called DAMAGE CONTROL. What is the best way to control damage from misconduct with female employees from your last president. Have the Female Owner step in and STOP THE BLEEDING 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 They also shelled out one thousand four hundred piles with a million dollars in each for the privilege of meddling to their heart’s content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Commonsense said: And he still won’t hand it over!!!! Kraft is a scumbag of scumbags, and yet I have to give him credit for doing a bunch of decent if not generous things to make it appear as if he is not one. He's great at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Commonsense said: How long has Robert been grooming Jonathan? ....yikes To be what a football person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: What about ummm say Robert and Jonathan (President) Kraft? you dont have to bee Football people to know how to LEAD a Company You don't catch a lot of flack when you're winning superbowls. Personally, I don't think it's a big deal. I doubt she acts as much more than an overseer. She'll probably have guys like the ones Kirby mentioned running things, making the decisions, and reporting back to her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, JoeF said: Not one of my prouder moments TD...never will be. You hit on the thing I will take to my grave. I hurt people dear to me. My team members at the company, family....etc. I did that--no one else. You never make it up no matter how much you try to or express regret. I can't let it consume me because I am still responsible for providing for others but its a private hell I deserve. Hopefully, Russ will get to the point where he understands that owning starts the process of healing for others impacted. The relationships are never the same but they can be rebuilt to an extent and there is a bit of courage and increased self-respect in owning it. Augie hit on it--it's selfish, unprofessional, immoral and all other bad things you can think of...but I did it---I needed to own it. Hopefully, Russ gets there some day. Okay--I am through baring my soul for you all today, but we are in more than a minor way family on this board. Hope I helped some folks understand my personal view that it is never, ever appropriate for a CEO of a company, particularly one as high profile as PSE, the Bills and Sabres to engage in this behavior. Its more than respect for women, its understanding what the role represents and behaving accordingly. We all do things we regret. Some are worse than others, but it happens. That’s life, and it can be very hard. If I’ve learned anything as I age, it’s not to judge. I could go on and on here, but I will leave it at do not judge. God will do that in time. Anyone who wants to play holier than thou just may have the biggest fall. I get we all have opinions, but don’t think you are the final say. Try hard to do good, and best of luck! Those who are open and discuss their shortcomings just may help others, and that’s a step in the right direction. Every day is a new day, make the most of it, no matter how hard it may be. Believe me, Russ is paying a steep price right now. Edited May 2, 2018 by Augie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: And again how do you know they wont. This right now is called DAMAGE CONTROL. What is the best way to control damage from misconduct with female employees from your last president. Have the Female Owner step in and STOP THE BLEEDING Because the report is, from someone who asked them directly, that the job is permanent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 The spirit responsible for the hiring of Rex Ryan has now been exorcised from the building. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, Rob's House said: You don't catch a lot of flack when you're winning superbowls. Personally, I don't think it's a big deal. I doubt she acts as much more than an overseer. She'll probably have guys like the ones Kirby mentioned running things, making the decisions, and reporting back to her. So essentially a President. Hmmm got it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: To be what a football person? Answer the question Bobby. If none of your sources know just use google. I will wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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