Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I'd prefer to jail them. Can you think of any reasons it might be a bad idea to empower government to levy taxes punitively? So you'd sooner them be a drain on the budget than a source of income? I could see punitive taxes being used to punish political opponents, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, joesixpack said: So you'd sooner them be a drain on the budget than a source of income? I could see punitive taxes being used to punish political opponents, yes. Yes, because process is more important than individual outcome; and I don't trust the government with that power. Once taxation as punitive is legitimized, the government will use it against it's citizens. Edited April 4, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 What's not punitive in this country. You want somebody to change, punish them. They will square away. Right? Don't like it, don't do what you are being punished for. Suck it up Deplorable Snowflakes. Deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 15 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Taxation used punitively is immoral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 4 hours ago, Tiberius said: Create a true United States of America and incorporate Canada, US and Mexico into a single country. China is going to be the biggest economy in the world soon and we need something strong to oppose that non-Democratic stsyem. Borders are economically backwards. Let the free flow of labor happen, let capitalism happen. Counties of America unite, The only things no we have to lose is our walls. SJW Imperialism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 14 hours ago, LA Grant said: Who's "we"? These are all terrible ideas, especially #3, but all of them. Admittedly they would be more effective than a wall but that's not a high bar to clear. Here are 3 that would be more effective. 1) Provide a simpler path to citizenship 2) Stop ICE needlessly arresting farmers, busboys, blue collar workers, as though the flawed societal rules are their fault -- what good is this doing for anyone? 3) Ensure Immigration Courts work practically instead of being the partisan kangaroo courts they are now Well, this makes it quite obvious that you don't have the slightest grasp of the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 17 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Well, this makes it quite obvious that you don't have the slightest grasp of the issue. On the contrary, he understands open borders very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 16 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Well, this makes it quite obvious that you don't have the slightest grasp of the issue. Grant is a self described leftist who doesn't subscribe to Enlightenment philosophies. He's a post modernist who seeks out policies which break down traditional social structures like the family, nation state, and the concept of individual rights. It's not that he doesn't understand the issue, it's that he's being dishonest with you about his end goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 19 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Taxation used punitively is immoral. Unless you're a liberal and think marginal tax rates should approach 100% for high earners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 15 hours ago, LA Grant said: Who's "we"? It's sad, yet not surprising, that you actually pose this question. Look behind you. Far behind you. The sheer millions of people -- our grandparents, and their parents and beyond -- who all came here for a better life, but with respect for what the country stood for to the extent they came through the legal process. We all understand that the DNC is big on promoting entitlements, but most Americans don't want to be coddled womb to tomb. Just the far left. So offering freebies to illegals, while perfectly acceptable to the far left, is rejected by America no matter how you want to label the people of this country. Which is what brought us President Trump. So while your question is somewhat sad, I get a hearty chuckle out of how unbelievably out of touch you, and the left, are with the rest of the country. In fact, I can't WAIT until Hillary wins the nomination again. Absolutely can't wait. May even toss her a few shekels to make it happen. Who's with me? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 14 hours ago, ALF said: Farm workers are much needed just give them legal work permits to stay. Already exists. H-2A permits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Already exists. H-2A permits. Who would mow your lawn if we had no illegals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, mead107 said: Who would mow your lawn if we had no illegals? Step one: get a lawn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, mead107 said: Who would mow your lawn if we had no illegals? We'd have to go back to paying teenagers cash to do it. The horror... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, LABillzFan said: It's sad, yet not surprising, that you actually pose this question. Look behind you. Far behind you. The sheer millions of people -- our grandparents, and their parents and beyond -- who all came here for a better life, but with respect for what the country stood for to the extent they came through the legal process. <cutting the rah-rah Trump 2020> Okay, sure. Let's look behind us at the legal processes. Can you talk about the legal process of immigration for 19th century Irish people? How about the legal immigration of 18th century African people? The legal immigration of late 16th century English, French, Spanish people? What should 21st century immigrants from Mexico or Syria learn from these previous integrations? 14 hours ago, Azalin said: Americans. This stuff really isn't difficult. Where do Americans come from? Edited April 5, 2018 by LA Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, LA Grant said: Where do Americans come from? From their mothers' womb. Honestly, how do you not get this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, Azalin said: From their mothers' womb. Honestly, how do you not get this? You seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding the definition of "Americans." Time to go back to square one, Azalin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 7 hours ago, LA Grant said: Where do Americans come from? Wednesdays on FX 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 10 hours ago, LA Grant said: You seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding the definition of "Americans." Time to go back to square one, Azalin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans You know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not going to debate the meaning of the word "American" with you or anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I think, in the interests of intellectual honesty, that those individuals seeking out changes to our immigration policy should outline the end goals of the policy changes they are advocating. And I don't mean bumper sticker slogans, I mean what structural goals is the policy forwarding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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