Are We a Playoff Team with A.J. ?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, Bills757 said:

So Taylor has three head coaches in three years, three OC's.....he spends his own money to train with his WR corps only to have them get rid of those players.  They bring in WR's that get hurt.   Not saying Taylor's a world beater but the obstacles that were put in his way didn't help matters at all.  Regarding another thread where a fan talked to Harvin......sounds like Percy saw what I saw....trying to pound a square peg into a round hole.  What happened to the roll outs...getting Taylor in space and throwing on the run (trying to maximize his strengths)?  Before you bash me too.....I do think the Bills need to draft a QB this year that will hopefully develop into a star.  But to lay the woes of this team's offense at Taylor's feet is moronic.

Why would I bash you?  I’m not one to call people idiots or say they offer nothing (unless they accuse me of it first).  

 

FTR It was 2 HC’s.  

 

Why was Roman fired when TT had his best season with him as OC?

Why wasn’t A Lynn retained or hired with him as OC?

Why was TTs 3rd OC fired. 

 

Occam’s razor - the common denominator is.........  TT. 

 

TT was the guy who didn’t throw guys open. 

 

TT was the guy who held the ball too long being “protective” with the ball. 

 

TT was the guy who teams said and I quote Make him a QB.  

 

So, a moron I may be, but my opinion for the past season and a half has been spot on and TT IS GONE.   

 

Yes I am happy he’s gone.  

Lets move on and forget Mr Taylor.  

 

K? 

[The Red King]

People are not saying TT was the sole reason the offense was bad.  Even earlier this thread I noted the receiving corp was sub-par.  A very good receiver might well have made the catch at the end of the Carolina game.  A very good QB would have put that pass where a sub-par receiver could catch it.  Sadly, we had a sub-par deep passer throwing to a sub-par receiver.

 

We're not putting the offensive woes solely at TT's feet, but we are holding him accountable for the factors he had control over.  His reluctance to throw deep, even when he did have receivers open deep, and his inaccuracy when actually throwing deep are on him, and resulted in opposing defenses simply stacking the box.  If TT had managed to hit his receivers deep when open, but they just weren't open often...then you could absolve TT and place blame solely on the receivers, but we all know that didn't happen.

Edited April 3, 2018 by The Red King

[reddogblitz]

On 4/1/2018 at 3:17 PM, ShadyBillsFan said:

It’s not that he couldn’t, it’s that he didn’t from the pocket.  

 

He’d scramble around “keeping the play alive”. 

 

I was referring to your quote. 

On 4/1/2018 at 7:32 PM, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

FTR - I was referring to 2017.  

You found 3 instances where he did it over 3 full seasons 

 

Where the ones where he didn’t?? 

For example - the Thompson play where Thompson was wide open  - and with a catch a TD could have been had?

 

Where did you reference 2017? You just said he couldn't complete a bomb from thee pocket. I provided FOUR examples. Need more?. 

 

But if you're only interested in 2017 and Thompson be sure to each this:

 

 

[Ol Dirty B]

On 3/29/2018 at 10:06 AM, Tatonka68 said:

AJ has more  playoff touchdowns than TT. 

 

He had a lot more talent around him to work with.

[The Red King]

See my prior comments.  Every team in the league had a passing play of 50+ yards.  At least one.  Everyone that is, except the Bills.  In 15 1/2ish games TT could not do this even once.  I know the receiving corp is meh, but you cannot look me in the eye and tell me that not one single play in all those games did he ever have a receiver open deep.  The film clearly showed he did and he either did not throw it, or missed his receiver.  Bad receivers lead to fewer deep throws, not *no* deep throws.  That's on TT.  Again, the receivers are as much to blame for the lack of offensive production...but at the same time TT is as much to blame as the receivers.  Will AJ fix the offense?  Not alone, but he should at least be able to stretch defenses and give McCoy a little running room.

[Tcali]

On 3/29/2018 at 6:39 AM, Looper said:

Assuming we don't get one of the big 4 QBs, are we a playoff team with A.J. ? Or are we the 2017 Browns and the #1 seed to get Drew Luck, Jacob Eason, or Jarrett Stidham next year ? 

Is it worth even using a draft pick on Rudolph or Jackson ? 

no

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

7 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I was referring to your quote. 

 

Where did you reference 2017? You just said he couldn't complete a bomb from thee pocket. I provided FOUR examples. Need more?. 

 

But if you're only interested in 2017 and Thompson be sure to each this:

 

 

Dude, I get your posting style.  The topic is AJ and not the left QB formerly known as TT.  

 

On 4/1/2018 at 6:17 PM, ShadyBillsFan said:

in 2017 it’s not that he couldn’t, it’s that he didn’t from the pocket.  

 

He’d scramble around “keeping the play alive”. 

there

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Dude, I get your posting style.  The topic is AJ and not the left QB formerly known as TT.  

 

there

And yet TT was brought up as being worse than AJ (with no substantial proof, mind you) by post #12. I'd say those who appreciated TT are not the ones who need to let go, it's those who feel the need to bash him still even though he isn't on the team. As long as people want to bash him, especially with points that are false, people will chime in and point out the facts.

[CountDorkula]

On 3/29/2018 at 9:39 AM, Looper said:

Assuming we don't get one of the big 4 QBs, are we a playoff team with A.J. ? Or are we the 2017 Browns and the #1 seed to get Drew Luck, Jacob Eason, or Jarrett Stidham next year ? 

Is it worth even using a draft pick on Rudolph or Jackson ? 

This is a very good article on him. I don't really have high expectations for him.

 

From the article:

McCarron completed 54 of his 83 passes (65.1 percent) over that stretch with four touchdowns and no interceptions. That may look impressive and was good enough for a 100.1 passer rating as a starter, but the problem was that the Bengals’ offense slowed to a crawl.

He averaged just 184 passing yards in those games, stalling an offense that averaged 376.9 yards in Dalton’s 13 starts. With McCarron at the helm for the final three games, Cincinnati averaged 276 yards and couldn’t top 300.

That continued into the postseason, where the Bengals lost 18-16 to the Steelers and were outgained 369 yards to 279.

Even during McCarron’s days at Alabama, he had a reputation as a game manager who leaned on a strong running game and an NFL-caliber cast around him. Hoping he can generate offense on his own and lead a team to points with his arm may be too much to ask.

 

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/13/17020272/aj-mccarron-nfl-free-agency-2018-cincinnati-bengals

[Sky Diver]

TT averaged 187 yrds/game in 2017. Seems like AJ is a big upgrade and he should improve.

 

Not sure why so many don't want to give the guy a chance.

Edited April 3, 2018 by Sky Diver

[Davejr511]

People that say No have no clue what they are talking about and are engulfed in the hype of drafting a QB. McCarron did a good job filling in for Dalton when he got hurt. Why would he not be able to get the job done when he would have a full offseason preparing to be the starter? He knows how to perform under pressure, 2 college national championships. 

Im still not settled on any of these QBs in the draft or the idea of trading up to get one. I love the idea of having 6 picks in the top 100 picks. We could fill a lot of whole with starting caliber prospects. 

[26CornerBlitz]

25 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

This is a very good article on him. I don't really have high expectations for him.

 

From the article:

McCarron completed 54 of his 83 passes (65.1 percent) over that stretch with four touchdowns and no interceptions. That may look impressive and was good enough for a 100.1 passer rating as a starter, but the problem was that the Bengals’ offense slowed to a crawl.

He averaged just 184 passing yards in those games, stalling an offense that averaged 376.9 yards in Dalton’s 13 starts. With McCarron at the helm for the final three games, Cincinnati averaged 276 yards and couldn’t top 300.

That continued into the postseason, where the Bengals lost 18-16 to the Steelers and were outgained 369 yards to 279.

Even during McCarron’s days at Alabama, he had a reputation as a game manager who leaned on a strong running game and an NFL-caliber cast around him. Hoping he can generate offense on his own and lead a team to points with his arm may be too much to ask.

 

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/13/17020272/aj-mccarron-nfl-free-agency-2018-cincinnati-bengals

 

Perspective and context regarding his performance with a talented receiving corps. 

[CountDorkula]

10 minutes ago, Davejr511 said:

Im still not settled on any of these QBs in the draft or the idea of trading up to get one. I love the idea of having 6 picks in the top 100 picks. We could fill a lot of whole with starting caliber prospects. 

 

And none of those starters would matter with Nate Peterman throwing 5 INTS a game.

 

How many times have the Bills tried to Build up the team to support a sub-par QB in the past 18 years?

 

A stout MLB is not putting you in the playoffs,  a #1 WR is not doing anything for you if he doesn't have anyone throwing him the Ball. An All-pro Guard is not doing anything if the guy he is protecting is not worth a damn.

Edited April 3, 2018 by CountDorkula

[Sky Diver]

If Peterman had had a decent OL in front of him there wouldn't have been 5 interceptions.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

15 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

TT averaged 187 yrds/game in 2017. Seems like AJ is a big upgrade and he should improve.

 

Not sure why so many don't want to give the guy a chance.

That article above says he averaged 184 starting for the bengals with better receivers 

[CountDorkula]

7 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

If Peterman had had a decent OL in front of him there wouldn't have been 5 interceptions.

So 3 instead of 5. The OL is not to blame for all 5. Peterman was late and timid on several throws. There should have been more INT's in that game than there actually was. 

 

I was all for giving Peterman the start but he showed just how unprepared, and frankly unfit for the starting QB role he was. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

42 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

If Peterman had had a decent OL in front of him there wouldn't have been 5 interceptions.

And yet the other QB managed 4 INTs in 14 starts behind the same OL.

[Stank_Nasty]

1 hour ago, Sky Diver said:

TT averaged 187 yrds/game in 2017. Seems like AJ is a big upgrade and he should improve.

 

Not sure why so many don't want to give the guy a chance.

McCarron averaged 184 a game when he saw extended time in 2015 with an elite squad of wr's..... i'm totally for giving the dude a chance but this whole narrative that he's a big upgrade, is gonna push the ball down the field and open up the offense is literally 100% unfounded and there is no proof backing up anyone that claims it.

 

where are people coming up with this stuff? 

[Sky Diver]

15 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

And yet the other QB managed 4 INTs in 14 starts behind the same OL.

 

Peterman is still with the team and TT isn't. 

6 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

McCarron averaged 184 a game when he saw extended time in 2015 with an elite squad of wr's..... i'm totally for giving the dude a chance but this whole narrative that he's a big upgrade, is gonna push the ball down the field and open up the offense is literally 100% unfounded and there is no proof backing up anyone that claims it.

 

where are people coming up with this stuff? 

2015 season[edit]

McCarron was named the backup quarterback to begin the season after beating out Keith Wenning and Terrelle Pryor during training camp. He played in his first preseason game on August 14, 2015, completing 11 of 15 passes for 97 yards against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.^[57] He started in the final preseason game at Indianapolis and completed 15 of 28 passes for 219 yards.^[58]

In Week 9, he appeared in his first career game against the Cleveland Browns.^[59] On November 29, 2015, he completed his first career pass attempt for a three-yard completion against the St. Louis Rams.^[60] The following week, McCarron completed 2 out of 3 passes for 19 yards against the Cleveland Browns.^[61]

On December 13, 2015, starting quarterback Andy Dalton fractured the thumb on his throwing hand while trying to make a tackle in the first quarter against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Although the Steelers won 33–20, McCarron came in and completed 22 of 32 passes for 280 yards, with two touchdowns and two interceptions.^[62] The following week, McCarron became the first Alabama quarterback to win an NFL game since Jeff Rutledge of the New York Giantsin 1987, when the Bengals beat the San Francisco 49ers 24–14. In his first career start he completed 15 of 29 passes and one touchdown.^[63] On December 28, 2015, McCarron completed 22 of 35 passes for 200 yards and a touchdown in a 17-20 loss to the Denver Broncos.^[64] On January 9, in the AFC Wild Card round, McCarron completed 23 of 41 passes for 212 yards, with one touchdown and one interception, but the Bengals lost to the Steelers, 18–16, ending their season.^[65]

 

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJ_McCarron}

[BuffaloHokie13]

10 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

Peterman is still with the team and TT isn't. 

Your comment was about our 2017 Offensive Line, no?