ndirish1978 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I like Greg Gabriel. I respect his opinion and his history as a talent evaluator. Found this article and thought people might enjoy it: https://www.buffalosportspage.com/gabriel-jets-trade-effect-on-bills/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: I like Greg Gabriel. I respect his opinion and his history as a talent evaluator. Found this article and thought people might enjoy it: https://www.buffalosportspage.com/gabriel-jets-trade-effect-on-bills/ He loves Peterman. Do you respect that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: He loves Peterman. Do you respect that? I disagree with him, but I generally respect him. I met him at a tailgate a while back and spent a decent amount of time talking to him about the Bills. He was very logical in his analysis and just a generally nice guy so I'm probably more likely to give him a pass on that - nobody bats 1,000. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bag of Milk Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) Here is Gabriel's take on Manziel when he came out: 'If I had to compare Manziel to another NFL quarterback I would say he is part Wilson, part Brees and part Brett Favre" LMFAO. Do you respect that? Edited March 20, 2018 by Bag of Milk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Bag of Milk said: Here is Gabriel's take on Manziel when he came out: 'If I had to compare Manziel to another NFL quarterback I would say he is part Wilson, part Brees and part Brett Favre" LMFAO. Do you respect that? He didn't say the good parts of them . He has Wilson's height, Favre's willingness to chuck it, and he drinks as much as Brees weighs. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: I like Greg Gabriel. I respect his opinion and his history as a talent evaluator. Found this article and thought people might enjoy it: https://www.buffalosportspage.com/gabriel-jets-trade-effect-on-bills/ Interesting opinion from him and thanks for sharing. My issue is that, to me, that second tier is what we have already. If we are getting a quarterback similar to McCarron or Peterman then why bother? If we are drafting in that next tier it has to be Jackson, because at least he has all world potential if all goes right. Those other dudes are JAGs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Interesting opinion from him and thanks for sharing. My issue is that, to me, that second tier is what we have already. If we are getting a quarterback similar to McCarron or Peterman then why bother? If we are drafting in that next tier it has to be Jackson, because at least he has all world potential if all goes right. Those other dudes are JAGs. Agreed. Essentially a summary of stuff from other articles with an opinion spin at the end. Had the Bills drafted 2 guys top 5 in the last 15 years and we are where we are - then I'd agree with him. The unique context of the situation combined w the 1 thing we haven't tried has to be the reason the trade up crowd exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Did Greg Gabriel ever get the chance to draft a QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He loves Peterman. Do you respect that? ...a damn 5th rounder with minis, OTA's , some pre-season work, one disastrous start followed by some scant mop up, and you're STILL riding his azz?.....sure as hell is the definition of a TBD Career......hell, I'd bet your archive notes for the 200 Draft have this Brady in the 6th outta Michigan as the eventual winner of FOUR SB rings, 12+AFCE titles, 10 Pro-Bowl selections and 2 SB MVP's....so you underestimated him a bit ala FIVE, 15, 13 and 3.....guess you're not perfect every time......Jesus this Peterman crap gets old....think I'd stay in school for DUAL PhD's versus walking down YOUR welcoming red carpet as a draftee....give it up........... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...a damn 5th rounder with minis, OTA's , some pre-season work, one disastrous start followed by some scant mop up, and you're STILL riding his azz?.....sure as hell is the definition of a TBD Career......hell, I'd bet your archive notes for the 200 Draft have this Brady in the 6th outta Michigan as the eventual winner of FOUR SB rings, 12+AFCE titles, 10 Pro-Bowl selections and 2 SB MVP's....so you underestimated him a bit ala FIVE, 15, 13 and 3.....guess you're not perfect every time......Jesus this Peterman crap gets old....think I'd stay in school for DUAL PhD's versus walking down YOUR welcoming red carpet as a draftee....give it up........... Sorry you don't like my opinion of him, but it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Sorry you don't like my opinion of him, but it is what it is. ...here are the "ground rules" as I see them.....opinions are poster views, whether in agreement with others, or partially/totally opposing....damn bottom line is RESPECT of opinions....and perhaps you don't understand but I do respect your Peterman opinion PERIOD....my question is how do you formulate your OPINION of the kid on such a miniscule body of work?.....tell me in your OPINION what the legitimate time frame is to assess ANY player's body of work before he is labelled..........or maybe you prefer to break down those windows by position..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He loves Peterman. Do you respect that? Hell, I liked Peterman.....at Pitt!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 I'd prefer if this thread didn't turn into another argument about Peterman or just generally tearing people's opinions down whether that be posters here or the author. The thing I took from the article that I've been of the same mind of is that our FO likely has not made a decision on which of the QBs they want. I don't doubt they have the players ranked and fully scouted, but I really thing Beane and McDermott will put a lot of stock on the face to face meetings at the private workouts, which I don't believe have taken place yet. That's all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Interesting opinion from him and thanks for sharing. My issue is that, to me, that second tier is what we have already. If we are getting a quarterback similar to McCarron or Peterman then why bother? If we are drafting in that next tier it has to be Jackson, because at least he has all world potential if all goes right. Those other dudes are JAGs. I think declaring either of our guys second tier is pretty optimistic at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...here are the "ground rules" as I see them.....opinions are poster views, whether in agreement with others, or partially/totally opposing....damn bottom line is RESPECT of opinions....and perhaps you don't understand but I do respect your Peterman opinion PERIOD....my question is how do you formulate your OPINION of the kid on such a miniscule body of work?.....tell me in your OPINION what the legitimate time frame is to assess ANY player's body of work before he is labelled..........or maybe you prefer to break down those windows by position..... Very easily as I have explained on multiple occasions. I see him having fatal physical and mental flaws that are carryovers from his college career that will continue to plague him. As such I see him as a marginal NFL prospect who might very well wash out of the league and at best he'll be a backup. Nothing I have seen thus far has moved me from that and I have said consistently regardless of who likes it or who does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: I think declaring either of our guys second tier is pretty optimistic at this point. Thanks! Somebody recently said I like to whine and complain, so to be called an optimist is an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Bag of Milk said: Here is Gabriel's take on Manziel when he came out: 'If I had to compare Manziel to another NFL quarterback I would say he is part Wilson, part Brees and part Brett Favre" LMFAO. Do you respect that? Athletically, he was like those guys coming out. But that's where the comparisons ended as he was a lazy, immature head case with a severe drinking problem. The entire scouting community was well aware of his reluctance to study as well as his personal issues. Cleveland's owner vetoed the advice of his scouting and coaching staffs when that selection was made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Very easily as I have explained on multiple occasions. I see him having fatal physical and mental flaws that are carryovers from his college career that will continue to plague him. As such I see him as a marginal NFL prospect who might very well wash out of the league and at best he'll be a backup. Nothing I have seen thus far has moved me from that and I have said consistently regardless of who likes it or who does not. ...so be it...that is ALL I asked for.....you can put your flaps down...NOSE UP... crap at the curb with me son....I asked for a a clarification of opinion and not some high horse lecture............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: I disagree with him, but I generally respect him. I met him at a tailgate a while back and spent a decent amount of time talking to him about the Bills. He was very logical in his analysis and just a generally nice guy so I'm probably more likely to give him a pass on that - nobody bats 1,000. And what fans seem to lose sight of, regarding Peterman, some of the best QBs in NFL history have had horrible first starts. Nothing is truly known about Peterman other than his horrendous first start and a very good game manager type game against Indy in the snow. But count me among those who feel Peterman’s future remains an unknown, regardless of popular opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 People here want to act like Greg is never wrong. He missed big time on Peterman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...so be it...that is ALL I asked for.....you can put your flaps down...NOSE UP... crap at the curb with me son....I asked for a a clarification of opinion and not some high horse lecture............ No need to be offended just as I wasn't when you accused me of riding his azz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardb1952 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: People here want to act like Greg is never wrong. He missed big time on Peterman Maybe. A fifth round QB should not normally be playing at all in their rookie year, I believe the FO has a higher opinion of him than many on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, richardb1952 said: Maybe. A fifth round QB should not normally be playing at all in their rookie year, I believe the FO has a higher opinion of him than many on this forum. You actually have to go back and read what he wrote - not just guess. He sang Peterman’s praises all through the 2017 draft and regarded him as one of the best Qb’s in the class. When the Bills drafted him, he boldly predicted that he would replace Tyrod before the middle of the season. The when ghe the season started he criticized Tyrod and called for NP. Surprising but after 5 INT his praise stopped. Gee I wonder why. Greg was really really wrong here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Interesting opinion from him and thanks for sharing. My issue is that, to me, that second tier is what we have already. If we are getting a quarterback similar to McCarron or Peterman then why bother? If we are drafting in that next tier it has to be Jackson, because at least he has all world potential if all goes right. Those other dudes are JAGs. I am respectfully disagreeing. Just because some QBs that are not considered "physical freaks" haven't panned out doesn't mean that some won't. Fact of the matter is that many of the "physical freaks" have not panned out either. Most important aspect of playing QB in the NFL (IMHO) is ability to read defenses, make quick decisions on where to throw it and then make that throw. That doesn't mean the guy with the best arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: And what fans seem to lose sight of, regarding Peterman, some of the best QBs in NFL history have had horrible first starts. Nothing is truly known about Peterman other than his horrendous first start and a very good game manager type game against Indy in the snow. But count me among those who feel Peterman’s future remains an unknown, regardless of popular opinion. Don’t mind Nostradamus, he knows the future of every young inexperienced player or any other guys who struggled during his first NFL action.... Rumor has it, he predicted Foles to be Super Bowl MVP, Keenum to lead the Vikings to the NFC Chapionship and Goff to go from potential bust to the belle of the ball. Edited March 21, 2018 by BananaB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, OldTimer1960 said: I am respectfully disagreeing. Just because some QBs that are not considered "physical freaks" haven't panned out doesn't mean that some won't. Fact of the matter is that many of the "physical freaks" have not panned out either. Most important aspect of playing QB in the NFL (IMHO) is ability to read defenses, make quick decisions on where to throw it and then make that throw. That doesn't mean the guy with the best arm. I appreciate the feedback and your analysis. My philosophy is that you need to draft potential high in the draft. Your last paragraph is 100% correct. However, if you can’t physically do it you can’t make it. There are number of really smart quarterbacks with weak arms. They are backups. With defensive players as good and fast as they are, you get guys with weak arms who are very smart throwing 5 picks in one half. Plus, while hand size isnt gospel, it is important in placea like Buffalo. Im passing on this class if I can’t get Darnold Rosen or Allen. I just don’t see the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 27 minutes ago, K-9 said: Athletically, he was like those guys coming out. But that's where the comparisons ended as he was a lazy, immature head case with a severe drinking problem. The entire scouting community was well aware of his reluctance to study as well as his personal issues. Cleveland's owner vetoed the advice of his scouting and coaching staffs when that selection was made. so like Favre ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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