Saxum Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html Looks like she was ÜberedL/. Who gets the ticket - the safety driver, the vehicle, the engineer or the numbskull bureaucract who approved it? The Uber vehicle was in autonomous mode with a human safety driver at the wheel when it struck the woman, who was crossing the street outside of a crosswalk, the Tempe police said in a statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, Limeaid said: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html Looks like she was ÜberedL/. Who gets the ticket - the safety driver, the vehicle, the engineer or the numbskull bureaucract who approved it? Crossing outside of a crosswalk can mean a lot of things. There's jaywalking, and then there's the people who dart out into the street like a frightened deer without any warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxum Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 I am very familiar with this. My wife to I had been married for three months to crossed the road at in intersection but out of the crosswalk (she was walking ahead of the crosswalk) and was hit by a car who did not even slow down as he went around a corner dragging her. The driver was not cited for speed despite proof he was going too fast. No expenses including plastic surgery were paid because if you are partially liable you can not make claim according to VA law according to attorney we contacted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html Looks like she was ÜberedL/. Who gets the ticket - the safety driver, the vehicle, the engineer or the numbskull bureaucract who approved it? Arizona said they wouldn't let government get in the way of self-driving auto technology. Viva le free market! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndhall1 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Meanwhile, 40 pedestrians run over by NYC cabbies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) People on bikes do whatever the heck they want from any direction in any situation, today one came from the sidewalk on the left side of the street, across three lanes at good speed and cut inches in front of my car as I slowly turned right into my parking garage, the bike swerving hard and narrowly missing two people and a woman pushing a baby carriage as he got onto the right sidewalk they are inventing new ways to beg to be killed every day out there you cant teach each nuance and different rules of the road in every neighbourhood to a computer Along with car drivers breaking the rules of the road to be kind to others, at their whim Edited March 20, 2018 by row_33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I'd rather have self-driving cars with built-in safety features than nearly any human driver at the wheel. Tragic that this one person died. Now, how many pedestrians traffic deaths happened today involving a human driver at the wheel? (A quick search says 15 per day!) For the elderly and for the blind self-driving cars are the key to personal freedom (well, as "free" as GPS tracking can be). They will also free up people who hate to drive, end driving while impaired, end falling asleep at the wheel, etc. Taking the human error out of everyday driving will save a lot of lives. If self-driving cars were to become mandatory, I'd object. But as an aid to the elderly and handicapped alone, self-driving cars are a dream come true for many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html Looks like she was ÜberedL/. Who gets the ticket - the safety driver, the vehicle, the engineer or the numbskull bureaucract who approved it? I'd say the chances are greater than zero that the safety driver faces some sort of negligence charge despite the pedestrian's erratic behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) Good. Don't jay walk. Now pedestrians can return to the day when they actually had to think. Is it going to hit me? At least this incident puts a little "spring in back in everybody's step." Is it a robot that doesn't givens scheist or is it human. Hope she wasn't wearing earphones, earpods or whatever the people bubble in nowadays. 9 hours ago, row_33 said: People on bikes do whatever the heck they want from any direction in any situation, today one came from the sidewalk on the left side of the street, across three lanes at good speed and cut inches in front of my car as I slowly turned right into my parking garage, the bike swerving hard and narrowly missing two people and a woman pushing a baby carriage as he got onto the right sidewalk they are inventing new ways to beg to be killed every day out there you cant teach each nuance and different rules of the road in every neighbourhood to a computer Along with car drivers breaking the rules of the road to be kind to others, at their whim Yep... Keep them on their toes too... Just downtown on Friday, hipster on bike blowing redlight after redlight early. Beating the delay. I pulled up along side him, rolled down window and said: "Wouldn't it be special if another vehicle came through the green/yellow the other way? I am just looking out for your safety Pal!" All cool, he was wearing his earphones, he didn't hear me... I couldn't annoy him. He didn't have time for that. The "bubble" is such a special place. We need more self-driving vehicles to legally go through a green or yellow and smear bicycles. Edited March 20, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I think truly autonomous vehicles aren't going to happen for a very long time for two reasons. Right now the AI has to be programmed in an "either/or" fashion to "protect car occupants at all costs, sacrificing everything else" or "protect pedestrians at all costs, everything else is expendable." The AI can't make judgement calls like human beings can (if we choose to). It can't reconcile injury vs. death. The car can't say "well if I don't hit the pedestrian, I'll probably injur my riders by avoiding that person. However, it's likely nobody will die." They can't compute those options yet. Secondly, who is at fault in this case? Is it the car manufacturer? The sensor manufacturer? Programmer? Software? The insurance companies aren't going to insure such vehicles until that's been decided. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 12 hours ago, Fetou said: Crossing outside of a crosswalk can mean a lot of things. There's jaywalking, and then there's the people who dart out into the street like a frightened deer without any warning. Did you type that in 'computer voice'? 11 hours ago, johndhall1 said: Meanwhile, 40 pedestrians run over by NYC cabbies Yeah, and there are the same number of pedestrians in NYC (vs. Phoenix), too. How many cars with drivers exist on the planet vs. driverless cars? What's the ratio of cars with drivers killing pedestrians vs. driverless cars killing pedestrians? Looks like they haven't worked out all the bugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, snafu said: Did you type that in 'computer voice'? Yeah, and there are the same number of pedestrians in NYC (vs. Phoenix), too. How many cars with drivers exist on the planet vs. driverless cars? What's the ratio of cars with drivers killing pedestrians vs. driverless cars killing pedestrians? Looks like they haven't worked out all the bugs. What better person to work out the bugs than snafu! Who seconds the motion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 32 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: What better person to work out the bugs than snafu! Who seconds the motion? Im not working out bugs, even if nominated. Let all the dead pedestrians sue Uber, not me. However, I will volunteer to make sure the Chinese BJ machine is installed. That and a wet bar. And I will ensure that a robot monkey is behind the wheel, just for looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 There was a human in the car behind the wheel. Did they not see this person as they jumped out into traffic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 5 hours ago, dpberr said: I think truly autonomous vehicles aren't going to happen for a very long time for two reasons. Right now the AI has to be programmed in an "either/or" fashion to "protect car occupants at all costs, sacrificing everything else" or "protect pedestrians at all costs, everything else is expendable." The AI can't make judgement calls like human beings can (if we choose to). It can't reconcile injury vs. death. The car can't say "well if I don't hit the pedestrian, I'll probably injur my riders by avoiding that person. However, it's likely nobody will die." They can't compute those options yet. Secondly, who is at fault in this case? Is it the car manufacturer? The sensor manufacturer? Programmer? Software? The insurance companies aren't going to insure such vehicles until that's been decided. Who's at fault? Depends on how good the pedestrian's family's lawyeris & who has the deepest pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 39 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: There was a human in the car behind the wheel. Did they not see this person as they jumped out into traffic? Too bad. I get that response every time I close the lock gates and a pleasure craft misses the lock and may have to wait hours (seldom). Sorry Snowflakes, gotta wait for the next lockage. Wanna come in... Run the gates. Take your chance getting squashed like a bug. Nothing would get done if the "human heart" was behind every operation. What I said in my posts above. The next person will think twice about jaywalking in AZ now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Too bad. I get that response every time I close the lock gates and a pleasure craft misses the lock and may have to wait hours (seldom). Sorry Snowflakes, gotta wait for the next lockage. Wanna come in... Run the gates. Take your chance getting squashed like a bug. Nothing would get done if the "human heart" was behind every operation. What I said in my posts above. The next person will think twice about jaywalking in AZ now. hard to pass blame w/o the full story. people do some dumbshit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: hard to pass blame w/o the full story. people do some dumbshit Yeah, I suppose you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 6 hours ago, dpberr said: I think truly autonomous vehicles aren't going to happen for a very long time for two reasons. Right now the AI has to be programmed in an "either/or" fashion to "protect car occupants at all costs, sacrificing everything else" or "protect pedestrians at all costs, everything else is expendable." The AI can't make judgement calls like human beings can (if we choose to). It can't reconcile injury vs. death. The car can't say "well if I don't hit the pedestrian, I'll probably injur my riders by avoiding that person. However, it's likely nobody will die." They can't compute those options yet. Secondly, who is at fault in this case? Is it the car manufacturer? The sensor manufacturer? Programmer? Software? The insurance companies aren't going to insure such vehicles until that's been decided. The person at fault is likely the moron crossing outside of a crosswalk. They are there for a reason, and it isn't because they are pretty to look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 6 hours ago, snafu said: Did you type that in 'computer voice'? Yeah, and there are the same number of pedestrians in NYC (vs. Phoenix), too. How many cars with drivers exist on the planet vs. driverless cars? What's the ratio of cars with drivers killing pedestrians vs. driverless cars killing pedestrians? Looks like they haven't worked out all the bugs. Car didn't see a crosswalk, so didn't stop. Seems like they've worked out all the bugs, and it worked just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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