26CornerBlitz Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Juan Castillo saying Newhouse is a "diamond in the rough"? Great, because 5 different teams in 6 years was a bit disconcerting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: This is what I had always heard, which is why I was excited about Castillo being hired. Maybe his reputation took a hit with some of that stuff in Baltimore, but I had always read/heard that he was one of the most well respected o line coaches in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Dr. K said: For pity's sake, who hired Dennison? McDermott is responsible. They are hurting for a right tackle and they get rid of Glenn, creating a weakness. They did not need to do so. Now they have to scramble to come up with some barely adequate--if that--replacement. Yeah... definitely a realistic expectation to be 100% on every personnel move in your first year as a head coach... Dennison was also not his first choice. hmmm... if only there was some sort of organized lottery system where you could add football players that recently played in college to better your team... meh, it's probably wouldn't help in building an O-line anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Jobot said: Our OC Dennison was responsible for the change in run-scheme. He was fired. Cody Glenn Traded due to his cap# They also haven't drafted anyone... including the 5th best qb. Are you sure Dennison was responsible? The Offensive Line/Run Game Coordinator Juan Castillo was hired before the OC got here and the OL got worse with his coaching. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Are you sure Dennison was responsible? The Offensive Line/Run Game Coordinator Juan Castillo was hired before the OC got here and the OL got worse with his coaching. regardless what the exact reason, Dennison wasn't able to right the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: Juan Castillo saying Newhouse is a "diamond in the rough"? Great, because 5 different teams in 6 years was a bit disconcerting! It's actually the Vlad Ducasse journey. But seriously WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: This is what I had always heard, which is why I was excited about Castillo being hired. Maybe his reputation took a hit with some of that stuff in Baltimore, but I had always read/heard that he was one of the most well respected o line coaches in the NFL. If Johnny Castle can turn Bodine/Ducasse/Newhouse into a passable starting trio then I will have to start calling him Jesus Christillo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: It's actually the Vlad Ducasse journey. But seriously WTF? Wow, I knew Vlad has travelled, but I didn't realize 5 different teams in 5 years! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threedollabills Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I'm curious about the McCarron/Bodine connection. Plus, 64 straight games and 3 sacks? Solid. Even if we move up for "the guy", we still need to think about winning this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 39 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: If Johnny Castle can turn Bodine/Ducasse/Newhouse into a passable starting trio then I will have to start calling him Jesus Christillo. Lmao I'm hoping it ends up more like Groy/Miller/draft pick lol But if not, hopefully they're just cheap depth until that $40 some million in dead cap falls of next season. I'll give them a chsnce though. Any player can look better in a system more tailored to their strengths. Look at the difference in our O line from Roman/Kromer's scheme to Dennison's... (I'm not counting on it though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Dr. K said: For pity's sake, who hired Dennison? McDermott is responsible. They are hurting for a right tackle and they get rid of Glenn, creating a weakness. They did not need to do so. Now they have to scramble to come up with some barely adequate--if that--replacement. It sounds good in theory, but I just want to point out that Glenn was not the teams starting RT last season, has never shown that he can play RT effectively and almost certainly wouldn't want to play there anyway since the big money is at LT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 38 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: Lmao I'm hoping it ends up more like Groy/Miller/draft pick lol But if not, hopefully they're just cheap depth until that $40 some million in dead cap falls of next season. I'll give them a chsnce though. Any player can look better in a system more tailored to their strengths. Look at the difference in our O line from Roman/Kromer's scheme to Dennison's... (I'm not counting on it though). That's fair..........people forget that the Bills OL was seen as a disaster area when Rex took over. Wood had been garbage under Marrone and was half-expecting to be cut that offseason......RG and RT were seen as gaping holes.....and people rolled eyes at the Incognito signing after he'd been out of football for a year and a half. Funny how Minnesota Vikings offensive line was seen as train wreck a couple years ago and seen as a strength last year........after adding Mike Remmers to the lineup.........the former Panther whipping boy who Von Miller "Max Lane'd" in the SB. It's great to have singular physical talents like......Glenn or Dawkins..........but as the Pats show us time and again it's about getting the 5 playing as a unit and having a franchise QB behind them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 38 minutes ago, vincec said: It sounds good in theory, but I just want to point out that Glenn was not the teams starting RT last season, has never shown that he can play RT effectively and almost certainly wouldn't want to play there anyway since the big money is at LT. I honestly don't know why everyone assumes either Dawkins or Glenn could play RT. Neither have ever shown any ability in their careers to play RT. They tried Dawkins there last season and Mills easily outplayed him there. And Rex tried Glenn at RT during training camp (in 2015 I believe) and he really struggled there as well. I believe Marrone at have possibly tried him there too IIRC (but I'm not sure on that. Its hard to switch from from one side of the line to the other. These guys spend years building up their muscle memory on one side of the line and it's totally different on the other side. You almost have to re-learn the position in some ways. It can be done I'm sure, butnitd take time and probably be much easier to just take a RT in the mid/late rounds of the draft (and you have to factor in Glenn's salary too. You're not paying him all that money just to have him struggle for a season or more learning RT). Look what pro bowl G Josh Sitton had to say in this subject - https://twitter.com/ArmandoSalguero/status/974682257150676993?s=20 (I didn't want to embed the tweet because it has a swear word in it and I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post it here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) From what I have heard Newhouse is a good backup swing tackle, nice depth move. Bodine as a starter I wouldn't be enthused about but as a backup I really like the move. Two quality bench offensive lineman. A nice mid free agency period move. Although I think ideally the team should still draft a guard in rounds 4-5 to be the last bench o-lineman and push to get Miller/Ducasse out of the RG spot or be the heir apparent for Incog in 2019. Edited March 20, 2018 by billsfan89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 the process is a slow moving entity. 6 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: From what I have heard Newhouse is a good backup swing tackle, nice depth move. Bodine as a starter I wouldn't be enthused about but as a backup I really like the move. Two quality bench offensive lineman. A nice mid free agency period move. Although I think ideally the team should still draft a guard in rounds 4-5 to be the last bench o-lineman and push to get Miller/Ducasse out of the RG spot or be the heir apparent for Incog in 2019. If Jordan Mills and Vlad Ducasse are still on the team , and playing for anything more than Vet min ( or thereabouts ) and as back ups., i will be bummed out. Coaching can't fix that crap. They can band aid it. but thats BS get Miller back into the game or move Groy to RG and Bodine to C. fix that darned RT position please. Barely serviceable is not good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: the process is a slow moving entity. If Jordan Mills and Vlad Ducasse are still on the team , and playing for anything more than Vet min ( or thereabouts ) and as back ups., i will be bummed out. Coaching can't fix that crap. They can band aid it. but thats BS get Miller back into the game or move Groy to RG and Bodine to C. fix that darned RT position please. Barely serviceable is not good enough I think Miller is gone although I think that he could be effective on another team he just isn't fitting the blocking scheme the team wants to run. I think they probably were trying to trade him but might just roll with him as a camp body and make him a cut at some point. Ducasse I see as a bench player (Although the coaching staff loves him so who the !@#$ knows) since he is versatile being able to play either guard position or RT. I honestly wouldn't hate Ducasse as a backup Guard/RT but I would much rather they go with a 4th or 5th round pick occupying that spot. As far as RT I think there is a chance that Mills starts. Now I think Beane would prefer to draft a RT to start and keep Mills as a camp body to compete with Newhouse off the bench. I like the effort to get more depth on the o-line but that right side is still a mess with Ducasse/Miller and Mills starting at this moment. I think you have to address that RT spot in the draft high. RG I think you should address but in the cap era (And assuming you make a massive trade up gutting a good chunk of draft picks) you have to make compromises and given the choice between upgrading RG or RT in the draft I would go with RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I think Miller is gone although I think that he could be effective on another team he just isn't fitting the blocking scheme the team wants to run. Can he catch the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I think Miller is gone although I think that he could be effective on another team he just isn't fitting the blocking scheme the team wants to run. I think they probably were trying to trade him but might just roll with him as a camp body and make him a cut at some point. Ducasse I see as a bench player (Although the coaching staff loves him so who the !@#$ knows) since he is versatile being able to play either guard position or RT. I honestly wouldn't hate Ducasse as a backup Guard/RT but I would much rather they go with a 4th or 5th round pick occupying that spot. As far as RT I think there is a chance that Mills starts. Now I think Beane would prefer to draft a RT to start and keep Mills as a camp body to compete with Newhouse off the bench. I like the effort to get more depth on the o-line but that right side is still a mess with Ducasse/Miller and Mills starting at this moment. I think you have to address that RT spot in the draft high. RG I think you should address but in the cap era (And assuming you make a massive trade up gutting a good chunk of draft picks) you have to make compromises and given the choice between upgrading RG or RT in the draft I would go with RT. My concern with drafting a RT is getting up to NFL speed. I am sure that phrasing is overused but, drafting a later round fellow likely means a prospect. Something i certainly am keeping my eye upon. especially so since they retained Castillo after letting Kromer go. Good post 89 5 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Can he catch the ball? someone should really be thinking about this exact thing. Someone like Beane perhaps. who the heck are the receivers this year. Another year of injured scrubs just won't cut it. and we want to draft our future QB after trading up? With a crap O line and no WRs to mention? hmmmm... there, i said it finally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, 3rdand12 said: My concern with drafting a RT is getting up to NFL speed. I am sure that phrasing is overused but, drafting a later round fellow likely means a prospect. Something i certainly am keeping my eye upon. especially so since they retained Castillo after letting Kromer go. Good post 89 I think if you draft a RT around pick 53 or 56 I think you, of course, run the risk of a player not being ready to step in right away. But I think that Newhouse isn't the worst option to put up against a rookie RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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