Anybody else getting the feeling that this was all part of Beane's plan?

[CaptnCoke11]

The Jets trade hurt their chances for sure.  I don’t see any way Bean is going to sell the farm to move to #2.  It would cost both firsts, seconds and next years first and possibly more to get there.  That’s if the Giants even want to trade it.  

[Lfod]

It might of been part of the plan. It definitely part of the plan now.

[Green Lightning]

Hope Springs Eternal.

 

[Dr. Fong]

I hope you’re right, but I suspect Beane got blindsided by this. I hope there’s a solid plan B in place. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

No. I don’t get that feeling at all. I think we dicked around and over played our hand. Now we are probably screwed. I have liked a lot of what these guys have done leading up to today and I thought we were finally going to get a legit top notch QB....Today was very bad for us. Anyone who thinks otherwise is thinking with their heart.

[Tyrod's friend]

40 minutes ago, SlamnSam said:

Nope. He miscalculated. The jets outsmarted him and now hes screwed .

The Jets outsmarted him.

From a long time NY City boy, you have to know just how funny you sound putting the words "Jets" and "outsmarted" together. Especially in a case like this ... where the GM screwed the pooch on this position so many times its absurd that he's still employed.

• He drafted the schmucks on the roster (Hack/Petty) that he's now going to have to cut. 
• instead of offering Cousins enough to not look back, he let him get away
• then, instead of having a plan to offer a Pro Bowl QB, a playoff starting QB real money at $18MM, he spent $15MM on two backups.
• finally, he overspent to move a couple of draft picks - presumably to take Josh Allen. The draft capital used could have been sufficient to truly stock his team with good talent, direly needed. 

All told, the Jets will have sunk the SIXTH overall pick in the first round, FOUR very high second round picks, and a fourth round pick to resolve the QB position, and their solution is presumably Josh Allen for all that time spent.

Outsmarted. OK. Yeah. I'm worried about the Jets.

[LABILLBACKER]

The way I look at it he didn't have to give up much to move all the way to 12. Beane still have options and depending on the Browns 1st pick, he can negotiate a fair deal with the Giants. Or we can stay put, hope a QB falls to us and we retain all the 2nd/3rd round picks. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

The way I look at it he didn't have to give up much to move all the way to 12. Beane still have options and depending on the Browns 1st pick, he can negotiate a fair deal with the Giants. Or we can stay put, hope a QB falls to us and we retain all the 2nd/3rd round picks. 

 

Beane's job isn't predicated on hope. He needs to gauge the QB draft market correctly and position the team for long term sustained success by acquiring a franchise QB. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I’m not usually the type to worry about this stuff but after how good Watson loooked last year (and I wanted to draft him)...if Mahomes plays well and if god forbid the Jets get a great QB now and we are left with trash, Beane is going to look bad. We made all the trades last year so we could move up and get the qb this year. I never got upset about all the talent we moved because the eye was on this draft. If we don’t go up ahead of the Jets, I am going to be pissed. 

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I’m not usually the type to worry about this stuff but after how good Watson loooked last year (and I wanted to draft him)...if Mahomes plays well and if god forbid the Jets get a great QB now and we are left with trash, Beane is going to look bad. We made all the trades last year so we could move up and get the qb this year. I never got upset about all the talent we moved because the eye was on this draft. If we don’t go up ahead of the Jets, I am going to be pissed. 

Except Beane wasn't the Bills GM at the time of last years draft

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Except Beane wasn't the Bills GM at the time of last years draft

We all know the last draft was this regimes draft. I guess it probably wasn’t tech Beane but the guys who made those picks are here now. I’m just saying it’s not going to be good if the Jets get Rosen and we are stuck with the 2018 JP Losman.

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

"I’ve met them all, but some of them for 15 minutes and that’s not enough to even draft a guy at 12. I don’t know what we’re doing, we have six weeks to the draft, and over that time I’m going to try to get to know every player, not only the quarterbacks, of who we’re going to consider.”

Brandon Beane on Friday

 

I hope he didn't tell the Colts something similar when they told him the Jets had an offer and asked do you want to counter?

Edited March 18, 2018 by RalphWilson'sNewWar

[SouthNYfan]

12 hours ago, Zebrastripes said:

Man I hope this is the case.

 

12 hours ago, CLTbills said:

I don't know. I just have this feeling. I have no "inside sources" or anything like that. But this just feels to me like Beane is sitting in his chair at OBD with a big grin on his face. Either they truly have no intentions of moving up from 12 and he made the Jets give away all of their draft capital, OR he already has a deal for #2 in place and didn't want to let anybody know.... Therefore the Jets STILL give up all of their draft capital, and still can't get in front of us.

I don't know. It's just that everything they've done to this point has all been 2-3 steps ahead.

 

then why isn't it done yet?

he has no deal in place.

[Boatdrinks]

18 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

We all know the last draft was this regimes draft. I guess it probably wasn’t tech Beane but the guys who made those picks are here now. I’m just saying it’s not going to be good if the Jets get Rosen and we are stuck with the 2018 JP Losman.

There's no probably or technically about  it. He hadn't been hired , Whaley was still employed as GM. Obviously  McDermott was here, but many  of the Bills personnel people and scouting staff were fired after Whaley was shown the door. It's quite possible that there are few if any staffers that had a hand in 2017 draft remaining. 

8 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

"I’ve met them all, but some of them for 15 minutes and that’s not enough to even draft a guy at 12. I don’t know what we’re doing, we have six weeks to the draft, and over that time I’m going to try to get to know every player, not only the quarterbacks, of who we’re going to consider.”

Brandon Beane on Friday

 

I hope he didn't tell the Colts something similar when they told him the Jets had an offer and asked do you want to counter?

Highly doubtful . The Jets were already 6 spots ahead of Buffalo and still overpaid according to value charts. Pretty easy decision by the Colts even if the points were comparable. 

[bobobonators]

12 hours ago, CLTbills said:

I don't know. I just have this feeling. I have no "inside sources" or anything like that. But this just feels to me like Beane is sitting in his chair at OBD with a big grin on his face. Either they truly have no intentions of moving up from 12 and he made the Jets give away all of their draft capital, OR he already has a deal for #2 in place and didn't want to let anybody know.... Therefore the Jets STILL give up all of their draft capital, and still can't get in front of us.

I don't know. It's just that everything they've done to this point has all been 2-3 steps ahead.

Dont see it. How can a trade between 2 other teams be part of his plan? 

 

If he had a deal for #2 already, why not just go ahead and do it now? 

 

We’re making Beane out to be a savant. 

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

There's no probably or technically about  it. He hadn't been hired , Whaley was still employed as GM. Obviously  McDermott was here, but many  of the Bills personnel people and scouting staff were fired after Whaley was shown the door. It's quite possible that there are few if any staffers that had a hand in 2017 draft remaining. 

Highly doubtful . The Jets were already 6 spots ahead of Buffalo and still overpaid according to value charts. Pretty easy decision by the Colts even if the points were comparable. 

 

And probably Beane just using GM speak.  I mean...he has to know.  If the Jets already know who they like.  Beane has to know.  

[IndyMark]

21 hours ago, akm0404 said:

I sincerely hope you are correct.  Beane is playing a dangerous game with the fans by making it look by all accounts that he wanted to acquire resources to move up to the top for a QB but really wanted to sit back and BPA.  It might be the right move, but it's definitely dangerous to lead everyone to believe they were going to get a new QB and instead take a linebacker and corner.

 

First, I hope with all hope Beane does not factor in "fan reaction" to his moves.  That would be silly.  Second, this is his livelihood.....I am also fairly certain he does not view this as a game with fans.  The bold section above is illustrative of flawed logic by the group of fans who want to forfeit this years draft, parts of next years draft, and even "Shady" (as some have noted) to go "all in" on a prospect in a pool of QB prospects that is generally regarded as over rated.  There are absolutely no "cannot misses" in this draft.  Sure, 1 or 2 of them, over the long-term may prove to be "generational" but those could end up being Rudolph or Jackson. There are noted flaws, some significant, to the top tier quarterbacks, Beane's moves to acquire draft picks did not look like a positioning to gain capital to move up and draft one.  This is one perspective of many.  To me it looked like we finally have a GM who understands using the draft to improve talent, in bulk.  I could be wrong.  Who knows, but Beane's moves suggested really nothing beyond trying to improve the team.

 

None of us knows.  We never know.  This is the fun part of the off season!

[jkirchofer]

5 minutes ago, IndyMark said:

 

First, I hope with all hope Beane does not factor in "fan reaction" to his moves.  That would be silly.  Second, this is his livelihood.....I am also fairly certain he does not view this as a game with fans.  The bold section above is illustrative of flawed logic by the group of fans who want to forfeit this years draft, parts of next years draft, and even "Shady" (as some have noted) to go "all in" on a prospect in a pool of QB prospects that is generally regarded as over rated.  There are absolutely no "cannot misses" in this draft.  Sure, 1 or 2 of them, over the long-term may prove to be "generational" but those could end up being Rudolph or Jackson. There are noted flaws, some significant, to the top tier quarterbacks, Beane's moves to acquire draft picks did not look like a positioning to gain capital to move up and draft one.  This is one perspective of many.  To me it looked like we finally have a GM who understands using the draft to improve talent, in bulk.  I could be wrong.  Who knows, but Beane's moves suggested really nothing beyond trying to improve the team.

 

None of us knows.  We never know.  This is the fun part of the off season!

This is the best QB class in the past few years and will be the best for a few years to come. Best player available when you have such a glaring hole at the most important position does not get you back to the playoffs. It sure as hell does not give you a championship. Playing it safe is the status quo at One Bills Drive. 

[Boca BIlls]

21 hours ago, CLTbills said:

I don't know. I just have this feeling. I have no "inside sources" or anything like that. But this just feels to me like Beane is sitting in his chair at OBD with a big grin on his face. Either they truly have no intentions of moving up from 12 and he made the Jets give away all of their draft capital, OR he already has a deal for #2 in place and didn't want to let anybody know.... Therefore the Jets STILL give up all of their draft capital, and still can't get in front of us.

I don't know. It's just that everything they've done to this point has all been 2-3 steps ahead.

Yea b.c the Jets were a big problem in this division...

[IndyMark]

3 minutes ago, jkirchofer said:

This is the best QB class in the past few years and will be the best for a few years to come. Best player available when you have such a glaring hole at the most important position does not get you back to the playoffs. It sure as hell does not give you a championship. Playing it safe is the status quo at One Bills Drive. 

 

Not sure we can say it will be the best class for a few years to come; that is speculative at best and some would argue with that.  Admittedly, I would not be the best person to do so.  Interestingly enough, forfeiting our premier picks this year, and next along with "other picks or players" (as some note) also sure as hell will not give us a championship nor get us back to the playoffs. 

 

I feel acquiring 6 picks in the top 100 is not playing it safe.  Establishing draft 'capital' does not mean we have to get into the top 3 picks.  Things are not as black and white as any of us believe......it is fun speculating, but dumping this years draft and part of next years, from my perspective, does not help the Bills at all.