THE ERA OF NATE HAS BEGUN

[bigduke6]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Tanner Lee hasn't played a down in the NFL, but I will go out on a limb to say he'll never be a good NFL QB based on his College career. 

thats fine,   u can try and prognosticate on a player,  but truth is,  you dont know.    so many factors that play into why one person becomes successful and another doesnt.

 

lets look at Brady,   barely drafted,  not exceptionally gifted athlete,  mediocre college QB.     If Bledsoe doesnt get hurt,  maybe Brady never gets his shot in NE,  and history is changed significantly.     Many, many factors go into success,  a lot of times dumb luck leads to success,  very little in this world  is black and white.     

 

People write off others on a daily basis,  usually with little or no actual information behind their reasoning.   Just because, they have a gut feeling,  or the person doesnt fit their agenda,  or etc, etc, etc.

 

Facts,  they mean something,  even if we're being led to believe they dont anymore.

[26CornerBlitz]

12 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

thats fine,   u can try and prognosticate on a player,  but truth is,  you dont know.    so many factors that play into why one person becomes successful and another doesnt.

 

lets look at Brady,   barely drafted,  not exceptionally gifted athlete,  mediocre college QB.     If Bledsoe doesnt get hurt,  maybe Brady never gets his shot in NE,  and history is changed significantly.     Many, many factors go into success,  a lot of times dumb luck leads to success,  very little in this world  is black and white.     

 

People write off others on a daily basis,  usually with little or no actual information behind their reasoning.   Just because, they have a gut feeling,  or the person doesnt fit their agenda,  or etc, etc, etc.

 

Facts,  they mean something,  even if we're being led to believe they dont anymore.

 

There can be extreme exceptions like Brady, but let's not act as if Peterman is some unknown who just appeared on the scene.  He has the same physical and mental flaws he showed in College that say he's a marginal NFL prospect.  No one can tell you not to hold out hope for him based on a slim chance, but the Bills are rightfully looking for better than he offers in the draft and/or free agency. 

Edited March 10, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[bigduke6]

7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

There can be extreme exceptions like Brady, but let's not act as if Peterman is some unknown who just appeared on the scene.  He has the same physical and mental flaws he showed in College that say he's a marginal NFL prospect.  No one can tell you not to hold out hope for him based on a lim chance, but the Bills are rightfully looking for better than he offers in the draft and/or free agency. 

all this is true,  and im not holding out hope for Peterman,  was simply trying to point out that common sense screams,   NOBODY HERE KNOWS  if he is, or isnt a viable QB in the future

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, bigduke6 said:

all this is true,  and im not holding out hope for Peterman,  was simply trying to point out that common sense screams,   NOBODY HERE KNOWS  if he is, or isnt a viable QB in the future

 

Common sense loudly says that he isn't.  

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

all this is true,  and im not holding out hope for Peterman,  was simply trying to point out that common sense screams,   NOBODY HERE KNOWS  if he is, or isnt a viable QB in the future

 

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Common sense loudly says that he isn't.  

I asked this question a while back but I think that it plays here. “Knowing what we know now, if Nathan Peterman (with the year under his belt) could enter this draft class tomorrow, would he be drafted? If so, when?” 

[bigduke6]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Common sense loudly says that he isn't.  

well,  if the sample size allows your common sense to make that decision thats fine with me.  

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

well,  if the sample size allows your common sense to make that decision thats fine with me.  

 

Sample size includes his Collegiate Career. He's the same guy.

 

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

I asked this question a while back but I think that it plays here. “Knowing what we know now, if Nathan Peterman (with the year under his belt) could enter this draft class tomorrow, would he be drafted? If so, when?” 

 

UDFA

Edited March 10, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[bigduke6]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Sample size includes his Collegiate Career. He's the same guy.

just for the sake of argument,  was anything in Brady's collegiate career a sure fire sign of his future greatness?  I know,  Brady again.......but its relevant to the point youre trying to make.

 

 

Edited March 10, 2018 by bigduke6

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, bigduke6 said:

just for the sake of argument,  was anything in Brady's collegiate career a sure fire sign of his future greatness?  I know,  Brady again.......but its relevant to the point youre trying to make.

 

Forget Brady.  Did Brady come in and stink up the joint by throwing up all over himself when he 1st played in the NFL?  No. It's a weak crutch to deflect in an attempt to make a case for Peterman.  No sale. 

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Forget Brady.  Did Brady come in and stink up the joint by throwing up all over himself when he 1st played in the NFL?  No. It's a weak crutch to deflect in an attempt to make a case for Peterman.  No sale. 

 

We gave EJ 15 games. Pete deserves half that.

[major]

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

We gave EJ 15 games. Pete deserves half that.

 

He deserves nothing as a fifth round flyer. 

[bigduke6]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Forget Brady.  Did Brady come in and stink up the joint by throwing up all over himself when he 1st played in the NFL?  No. It's a weak crutch to deflect in an attempt to make a case for Peterman.  No sale. 

i gotcha ya,   one bad game and its over.   thats fine,  my weak crutch of logic couldnt persuade you.    btw,  wasnt trying to.    was simply showing how a persons view can be skewed by what he or she wants to see.    1 game,  its over.      moving on now 

Edited March 10, 2018 by bigduke6

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, bigduke6 said:

i gotcha ya,   one bad game and its over.   thats fine,  my weak crutch of logic couldnt persuade you.    btw,  wasnt trying to.    was simply showing how a persons view can be skewed by what he or she wants to see.    1 game,  its over.      

 

No. Continuation of the same mental and physical flaws he showed in College which is why the Bills are looking to acquire a Franchise QB. 

[major]

[BringBackOrton]

21 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

I asked this question a while back but I think that it plays here. “Knowing what we know now, if Nathan Peterman (with the year under his belt) could enter this draft class tomorrow, would he be drafted? If so, when?” 

Knowing what we knew after 2016, if Jared Goff (with the year under his belt) could enter the 2017 draft, where would he be drafted?

[Woodman19]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

I'll play devils advocate a little here. I highly doubt Peterman is our starting qb in 2018. However, he takes alot of flack for the Chargers game (and rightfully so) but people always forget that he played very well in the Colts game (in brutal conditions) and you could even argue he played well in the saints game and the 1st Patriots game when he came in (to a degree). So while he may not be starting caliber yet, he has potential 

Everyone knows that what a player does in their first game ever is indicative of the career they will have.

[MAJBobby]

And Ends on Draft Night. Goes into the record book as the shortest ERA ever

[bigduke6]

1 minute ago, jmc12290 said:

Knowing what we knew after 2016, if Jared Goff (with the year under his belt) could enter the 2017 draft, where would he be drafted?

#1 of course,   how a year makes a difference huh?   Must be the player and not the coaching staff. 

 

i smh at the people who love Dashaun Watson all of a sudden,   guy did it for 4 games.   4,   we have no idea if its sustainable or not.   Was a very good college player,  but 4 games means everybody wiffed on him  and hes going into the HoF eventually?.  He very well could be the best QB of that draft,   and a future Hofer,  but nobody really knows.   Not at this point anyways.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, jmc12290 said:

Knowing what we knew after 2016, if Jared Goff (with the year under his belt) could enter the 2017 draft, where would he be drafted?

A little different scenario in that a team decided that he was worthy of the 1st pick overall. He might not have went 1 overall last year but I would think that he would have still been in the mix with guys like Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson and Kizer. A better comparison using that would be, “where would Trubisky go in this class?”

 

A team decided that Peterman was worth their 2nd 5th round selection. He had questions coming in clearly or he wouldn’t have been picked 170 picks after the one used on Goff (I know that they were different years). I doubt that Peterman would be drafted this year but could be a late round guy like Ferguson and Tanner Lee (who I think will be worse than Peterman). 

[prissythecat]

6 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

Everyone knows that what a player does in their first game ever is indicative of the career they will have.

 

 

Petermans performance was in line with his 5th round draft pick status .  He is luckier than most to have even received a shot to start.  

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, bigduke6 said:

#1 of course,   how a year makes a difference huh?   Must be the player and not the coaching staff. 

 

i smh at the people who love Dashaun Watson all of a sudden,   guy did it for 4 games.   4,   we have no idea if its sustainable or not.   Was a very good college player,  but 4 games means everybody wiffed on him  and hes going into the HoF eventually?.  He very well could be the best QB of that draft,   and a future Hofer,  but nobody really knows.   Not at this point anyways.

Of course not, but give me a young QB with historic success out of the gate over a young QB who sucked out of the gate.

 

There aren't two players on the Bills I wouldn't give up for Watson today.

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

A little different scenario in that a team decided that he was worthy of the 1st pick overall. He might not have went 1 overall last year but I would think that he would have still been in the mix with guys like Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson and Kizer. A better comparison using that would be, “where would Trubisky go in this class?”

 

A team decided that Peterman was worth their 2nd 5th round selection. He had questions coming in clearly or he wouldn’t have been picked 170 picks after the one used on Goff (I know that they were different years). I doubt that Peterman would be drafted this year but could be a late round guy like Ferguson and Tanner Lee (who I think will be worse than Peterman). 

Of course the scenario is a little different.  My point was that writing QB's off after their rookie year is silly.  Peterman will in all likelihood suck, but that is the case for every late round QB.  IMO, not much has changed in regards to my opinion to him.  He either gets better or he gets cut. 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, jmc12290 said:

Of course not, but give me a young QB with historic success out of the gate over a young QB who sucked out of the gate.

 

There aren't two players on the Bills I wouldn't give up for Watson today.

Of course the scenario is a little different.  My point was that writing QB's off after their rookie year is silly.  Peterman will in all likelihood suck, but that is the case for every late round QB.  IMO, not much has changed in regards to my opinion to him.  He either gets better or he gets cut. 

I don’t disagree but the Saints did it with Grayson and he was a 3rd. If a guy stinks, he stinks. Peterman’s flaws coming in weren’t things that improve. He was called one of the most pro-ready guys last year. That means that teams thought he was mentally ahead of his peers yet he still went pick 171. He had some physical questions that teams hoped could be overcome with his mental prowess.

 

That’s why he will be written off much quicker than a guy like Cardale Jones that has world’s of physical tools but a long way to go on the mental side. You can teach a guy to read defenses but you can’t teach them to be 6’6” and throw it 70 yards. Now it is likely that neither of them amount to anything but there are different ceilings and adjustment periods. All prospects are not created equally. 

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t disagree but the Saints did it with Grayson and he was a 3rd. If a guy stinks, he stinks. Peterman’s flaws coming in weren’t things that improve. He was called one of the most pro-ready guys last year. That means that teams thought he was mentally ahead of his peers yet he still went pick 171. He had some physical questions that teams hoped could be overcome with his mental prowess.

 

That’s why he will be written off much quicker than a guy like Cardale Jones that has world’s of physical tools but a long way to go on the mental side. You can teach a guy to read defenses but you can’t teach them to be 6’6” and throw it 70 yards. Now it is likely that neither of them amount to anything but there are different ceilings and adjustment periods. All prospects are not created equally. 

Grayson wasn't cut until his second season.  If Peterman is cut this offseason because he still sucks, I won't be crying.

 

There are different ceilings and adjustment periods, but Cardale may end up the exact same guy he was when he was drafted, and Peterman may end up the ghost of Pennington.  Who knows?

[Woodman19]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t disagree but the Saints did it with Grayson and he was a 3rd. If a guy stinks, he stinks. Peterman’s flaws coming in weren’t things that improve. He was called one of the most pro-ready guys last year. That means that teams thought he was mentally ahead of his peers yet he still went pick 171. He had some physical questions that teams hoped could be overcome with his mental prowess.

 

That’s why he will be written off much quicker than a guy like Cardale Jones that has world’s of physical tools but a long way to go on the mental side. You can teach a guy to read defenses but you can’t teach them to be 6’6” and throw it 70 yards. Now it is likely that neither of them amount to anything but there are different ceilings and adjustment periods. All prospects are not created equally. 

I disagree, you can't teach someone to improve mental qualities.  Intelligence just like physical traits are something you either have or you don't.

[Chuck Wagon]

The draft can't get here soon enough.  I'm done with the "Trust Peterman" / "Draft Rudolph at 21" / "We have too many holes" posts (not to mention "I have a brilliant idea that would be completely ignored in a current relevant thread" thread starting).

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:

The draft can't get here soon enough.  I'm done with the "Trust Peterman" / "Draft Rudolph at 21" / "We have too many holes" posts (not to mention "I have a brilliant idea that would be completely ignored in a current relevant thread" thread starting).

 

Amen.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Woodman19 said:

I disagree, you can't teach someone to improve mental qualities.  Intelligence just like physical traits are something you either have or you don't.

You can’t teach someone to be more intelligent but you can certainly teach them the progressions. “If this guy does this, you do that.” Now that doesn’t mean that everyone can get to Peyton Manning’s level of recognition. The point is that you are more likely to teach a guy to read a safety than you are to make him grow to 6’6” and throw the ball harder. 

[Woodman19]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You can’t teach someone to be more intelligent but you can certainly teach them the progressions. “If this guy does this, you do that.” Now that doesn’t mean that everyone can get to Peyton Manning’s level of recognition. The point is that you are more likely to teach a guy to read a safety than you are to make him grow to 6’6” and throw the ball harder. 

Experience and intelligence are different though, many players need experience to gain confidence in themselves in their ability to analyze reads and progressions but to suggest someone can learn to do that sounds the same to me as being able to learn to grow 3" or learn to run faster.

[Kirby Jackson]

31 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

Experience and intelligence are different though, many players need experience to gain confidence in themselves in their ability to analyze reads and progressions but to suggest someone can learn to do that sounds the same to me as being able to learn to grow 3" or learn to run faster.

Call it experience if you want. The point remains you are more likely to learn to read a safety than you are to grow 3 inches. Do

you not agree with that?

[/dev/null]

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

37 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You can’t teach someone to be more intelligent but you can certainly teach them the progressions. “If this guy does this, you do that.” Now that doesn’t mean that everyone can get to Peyton Manning’s level of recognition. The point is that you are more likely to teach a guy to read a safety than you are to make him grow to 6’6” and throw the ball harder. 

 

.....you can teach him to read, but I'm not so sure about react TIMELY....strictly my opinion, that is a "gray matter function" and I'm not sure if you can accelerate its processing speed capability.....a general 5 second window to work with is pretty short........

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

.....you can teach him to read, but I'm not so sure about react TIMELY....strictly my opinion, that is a "gray matter function" and I'm not sure if you can accelerate its processing speed capability.....a general 5 second window to work with is pretty short........

I’m not sure that you can speed up the processing either. A lot can be done pre-snap too though. Again the general premise is that you are more likely to teach a guy than to make him grow. 

[twoandfourteen]

51 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

Of course not, but give me a young QB with historic success out of the gate over a young QB who sucked out of the gate.

 

There aren't two players on the Bills I wouldn't give up for Watson today.

Of course the scenario is a little different.  My point was that writing QB's off after their rookie year is silly.  Peterman will in all likelihood suck, but that is the case for every late round QB.  IMO, not much has changed in regards to my opinion to him.  He either gets better or he gets cut. 

 

Check out Brett Favre's performance out of the gate. 

 

Or Aaron Rodgers. 

 

Or Peyton Manning. 

 

***NOTE*** ***THIS IS NOT AN ENDORSEMENT OF NATHAN PETERMAN*** ***I BELIEVE HE IS JUST AS LIKELY TO BE SELLING INSURANCE IN 2 YEARS AS HE IS TO BECOME A GOOD NFL QB***

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, twoandfourteen said:

 

Check out Brett Favre's performance out of the gate. 

 

Or Aaron Rodgers. 

 

Or Peyton Manning. 

 

***NOTE*** ***THIS IS NOT AN ENDORSEMENT OF NATHAN PETERMAN*** ***I BELIEVE HE IS JUST AS LIKELY TO BE SELLING INSURANCE IN 2 YEARS AS HE IS TO BECOME A GOOD NFL QB***

Of course, but again, I hope we draft Rosen and that he wins OROY instead of not being ready to play.

[bigduke6]

intelligence>physical gifts.

 

one of the most important things Bill Parcells taught Belichick  about players.

 

prbly y the Patsies have the most college grads on their team.

 

take it for what its worth.

[Kirby Jackson]

23 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Check out Brett Favre's performance out of the gate. 

 

Or Aaron Rodgers. 

 

Or Peyton Manning. 

 

***NOTE*** ***THIS IS NOT AN ENDORSEMENT OF NATHAN PETERMAN*** ***I BELIEVE HE IS JUST AS LIKELY TO BE SELLING INSURANCE IN 2 YEARS AS HE IS TO BECOME A GOOD NFL QB***

Um what’s wrong with selling insurance?!?

 

I’m jk, it’s actually kind of funny because we have like 18-20 producers in my agency and one guy played in the NFL for a while and one in the NHL. Do all washout athletes sell insurance??

Edited March 10, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Punching Bag]

15 hours ago, Wagon Circler said:

Today is the day! The Peterman era has begun. Ladies and gentleman, I draw your attention to the only quarterback on the Bills roster and therefore, the de facto starter. The train is ready to leave the station, but there is still plenty of room on board! #DON'TSLEEPONNATE. Who's with me?

 

The goal is matching the Browns record of last year then - 0-16 here we come!

 

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[offyourocker]

11 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Well, this is one train I'll miss.  While a great arm doesn't guarantee QB success, lacking an NFL caliber arm pretty much guarantees QB failure as a starter.

 

Well, I suppose "played well" depends your definition of "played well".

He managed a game in horrible condition very well. 

[Mark Vader]

12 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Where art thou savior pete

Yeah, where is that guy. You'd think he would have started this thread, since he is such a big Bills fan.