atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 He is not ready yet emotionally. He may get there but I think he needs to go to a team with a forgiving media and sit for a year. Physically he has all the tools. Mentally between the lines he is ready. It is his emotional growth that needs a little time to develop. If things are going good Baker will be good, when things change and maybe adversity is in his path I wonder how he will respond. He is not Manziel but he also isn’t Russel Wilson from a maturity standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloSol Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Interesting - did it say whether he went to any camps? Can’t imagine getting an offer through just a email. HS coaches are the ones that send out the film. I did it back in the day and got some responses. Some of the d1 schools on the opposite side of the country just never see you. I got some responses to send tape, camp invites, etc. This was back in 03 04. Most guys make highlight tapes and both coaches and players can send tape. It just seems like he was super proactive with it. His email to Wyoming led to him getting his only non walk on offer after a sEason at juco. I believe he sent tape and an email to like every coach on every team in d 1 Edited March 31, 2018 by BuffaloSol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 2 hours ago, aceman_16 said: This type of angst worked for Thurman. This is an order of magnitude above Thurman being pissed at other teams that he went in the 2nd round. Thurman wasn't keeping a hit list of media morons crossing some imaginary line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: He is not Manziel but he also isn’t Russel Wilson from a maturity standpoint. Apt comparables... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Koko78 said: This is an order of magnitude above Thurman being pissed at other teams that he went in the 2nd round. Thurman wasn't keeping a hit list of media morons crossing some imaginary line. Until someone proves that it hinders his performance... Who should really care? Angst is angst - whether it is a list of doubting teams OR doubting media members. Professional teams have bulliten board material from any source all the time. It provides a solid baseline of intrinsic motivation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 9 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: ? ? Tell that to the bills offense last season Bills were top 10 in the league for percentage of passes thrown from shotgun in 2017 I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 minute ago, aceman_16 said: Until someone proves that it hinders his performance... Who should really care? Angst is angst - whether it is a list of doubting teams OR doubting media members. Professional teams have bulliten board material from any source all the time. It provides a solid baseline of intrinsic motivation. So how high of a draft pick do you want to use to see if it hinders his performance? How, exactly, is being upset about draft position or "bulletin board material" (which is pretty weak to begin with) even in the same category as keeping an enemy list? There are reasons that NFL teams talk to every person who ever ran across prospects. Immaturity and foolishness are some of those reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, Koko78 said: So how high of a draft pick do you want to use to see if it hinders his performance? How, exactly, is being upset about draft position or "bulletin board material" (which is pretty weak to begin with) even in the same category as keeping an enemy list? There are reasons that NFL teams talk to every person who ever ran across prospects. Immaturity and foolishness are some of those reasons. You’ve invented that it is a hit list or an enemy list. It’s s list of doubters, remember when shady had a list of doubters and then called them out after the Atlanta game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 3 hours ago, jr1 said: he would confront Jerry Sullivan at Wegman's This is why we should root for the Bills to draft him, that would be priceless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, jimmy10 said: Oh yeah, I don’t really give a sh*t either, it just makes me wonder where this kid’s head is at. By all accounts he’s an accomplished QB from a big time program almost assured to go in the first round. (As opposed to Brady who was a doughy backup with zero expectations.) And so he chooses to focus on the “haters” to get motivated? That’s kind of weird to me. Maybe so, but to each their own. He was a two time walk on who became a great college QB and won the Heisman doing it. He's probably had this list for a long time and it's probably grown over the years. If it pushes him to strive for greatness, then so be it imo. Maybe it has helped him get this far? Idk. One thing I do know? I want Baker wearing that #6 Bills jersey next year and that list hanging in his locker. Awesome avatar by the way my friend. Edited March 31, 2018 by H2o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Unprofessional, petty, distracted... and people bag on Rosen's attitude? Ryan Leaf couldnt ignore/process media BS properly either. No thanks on JP Losman 2.0 Ouch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I think he should focus on football and not what some mediots say. (media idiots) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I just figured it out. He’s short, overlooked, feisty and keeps a list. The dude is Arya Stark! I want him on our team cutting up Lanister’s and Frey’s (Pats and Jets). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileena Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 3 hours ago, kdiggz said: i dont see what's wrong with it. everyone needs something to motivate them. if you had the perfect life and everything is handed to you then why would you try hard at anything? how many times does Tom Brady bring up being a 6th round pick or how the commissioner was out to get him? whatever it takes to keep you focused day in and day out is a good thing imo It is very wrong and speaks to his overall mental health. He flows in negativity and lacks self confidence if he has such a list. Colin Kaepernick had such a list. How did that work out. He is very unhealthy. Baker Mayfield is off of my big board nownbecause of this. Even if he is available in the 2nd round, I am passing on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 17 hours ago, Aaronthebaron said: One more thing, how many times were we frustrated with Tyrod because he couldn’t hit the middle; and why? Without clear throwing windows, he had to move, or attempt to hit where a receiver should be. We have one of the most DYNAMIC pass catchers one on one in Benjamin. We need one of the guys that lays it up at the last minute, which Allen continually did with ease, and usually off his back foot or across his body. Im no guru, but if scouts say Allen can develop, get him higher and give it a go. Odds are significantly improved for q.b. success rate when they’re voted top 2. We complained about tyrod throwing outside when that was with swatkins and woods while clay wasn't on the team or was in his first year. Then last year we complained about him only throwing to clay (over the middle) and shady, he rarely threw outside. Me thinks like any other quarterback he was just throwing to his best players, the ones he felt comfortable with. Kelvin Benjamin is so dynamic he's hit one 1000 yard season.. barely.. with cam Newton. The same quarterback who threw Steve Smith for 1400. There's a dynamic receiver. Jury is still out on Kelvin IMO. And you want a quarterback that throws off his back foot and across his body?? I agree scouts know more than we do but I don't see any other point you make having anything to do with Baker, nor do I agree with those points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 3 hours ago, kdiggz said: he definitely does have a JP Losman vibe to him. i could see him buying a house downtown and partying on chippewa every night. however JP was not much a prospect at all. i can't believe he was even drafted in round 1 JPs arm may have been just as Strong as Rodgers and he was a solid athlete. He certainly had some natural attributes that push QB prospects into the late first round. Ironically his scouting report reads with some elements of Mayfield and/or Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Koko78 said: So how high of a draft pick do you want to use to see if it hinders his performance? How, exactly, is being upset about draft position or "bulletin board material" (which is pretty weak to begin with) even in the same category as keeping an enemy list? There are reasons that NFL teams talk to every person who ever ran across prospects. Immaturity and foolishness are some of those reasons. He didn't just "start" this LIST after he left college. He has kept this LIST since the end of high school when he was a historic miss by college recruiters outside of his only listed offers from FAU, New Mexico, and Rice. Started the LIST of nay sayers. He walked on at Texas Tech and was the first true freshman walk-on in FBS history to start a season opener at QB. He won. Got hurt and was replaced. He increased his LIST. Felt slighted by his coach while he was hurt and was not offered a scholarship and decided to move on to Oklahoma ... Adding to his LIST. Once at Oklahoma and due to a silly Big 12 rule, Texas Tech refused to relinquish his "rights" and Baker missed a year of football (2014)... Yep he increased his "LIST. " He fought hard to earn to a spot on the team and to get credit to become a leader. To make a long story short... He succeeded. He won the team's heart/respect along with the Sooner die hards and grabbed a Heisman along the way.. Guessing due to the motivation from his LIST. Baker's career has been full of spectacular play fueled by grudges, slights and efforts to prove doubters wrong... Guessing while he reflects on this LIST. As I said on an earlier post, show me where this fueled moxie has hurt his game... I will wait. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileena Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Batman1876 said: It’s an approach that has worked well for Trump and Brady. I don't think it has worked at all for Trump. The US is the laughing stock of the world because we elected him. #notmypresident #onetermpresident #democratswillcontrolcongressin2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 (edited) The reports of 4 meetings clearly exhibits an interest in him by the Bills. They are doing their due diligence on a kid with some questionable character traits, but also one with an overwhelming desire to excel at his craft and with a lot of evident skill. The talent is there, but the mental fortitude is the thing that has to be a cause for concern for the brass at OBD. I think we should all agree that, if Mayfield is their guy, they will have done the most in-depth assessment possible and we should be confident that they got a guy that fits their long-term goals and one that can be assimilated into the much-talked-about process. Beane and McDermott are not the type to tolerate a fool. Edited March 31, 2018 by MiltonWaddams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileena Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: He didn't just "start" this LIST after he left college. He has kept this LIST since the end of high school when he was a historic miss by college recruiters outside of his only listed offers from FAU, New Mexico, and Rice. Started the LIST of nay sayers. He walked on at Texas Tech and was the first true freshman walk-on in FBS history to start a season opener at QB. He won. Got hurt and was replaced. He increased his LIST. Felt slighted by his coach while he was hurt and was not offered a scholarship and decided to move on to Oklahoma ... Adding to his LIST. Once at Oklahoma and due to a silly Big 12 rule, Texas Tech refused to relinquish his "rights" and Baker missed a year of football (2014)... Yep he increased his "LIST. " He fought hard to earn to a spot on the team and to get credit to become a leader. To make a long story short... He succeeded. He won the team's heart/respect along with the Sooner die hards and grabbed a Heisman along the way.. Guessing due to the motivation from his LIST. Baker's career has been full of spectacular play fueled by grudges, slights and efforts to prove doubters wrong... Guessing while he reflects on this LIST. As I said on an earlier post, show me where this fueled moxie has hurt his game... I will wait. He has bust written all over him. He is fueled by negativity and anger. He look only at the negative. This speaks of mental health problems. This will hurt him in the long run. A healthy person would brush these "slights" off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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