Idea for Trading with Cleveland for 4th pick based on Hue Jackson Quotes

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

Let’s have some speculation fun and play with what some of the other teams are being quoted on at today’s press interviews from Combine.

 

Let’s start with the Browns and how they end their QB search by drafting one at #1.  But what happens to the 4th Pick?

 

Hue Jackson quoted today “Having six of the first 65 picks is going to be a huge opportunity for us moving forward.”

 

okay Hue.  If Buffalo gives you 21 and 22 and a second rounder you could have not 6 of the first 65 picks, but EIGHT of the first 65 picks! Lol.  8 is better than 6. ? 

 

what type of Quarterback Room does he want? A Young Player (the first overall pick) and according to Hue, “You want a guy who’s been a veteran player, that’s played in the National Football League, that’s had a chance to win,”

 

so if Cleveland can’t get any of the Viking 3 or McCarron.   Buffalo could give you a starting NFL Qb at 10 million dollar salary with Buffalo swallowing that players $6 Million bonus!

 

so Buffalo could boost Cleveland’s number of picks in the top 65 and provide a CHEAP Starting caliber QB.

 

If You are Cleveland does Drafting Darnold and trading the 4th pick to then have in total

 

Sam Darnold and Picks 21, 22, 33, 35, 53, 64, 65 and Tyrod Taylor.

 

Look good as opposed to

 

Sam Darnold and picks 4, 33, 35, 64, 65

 

? 

 

 

Edited March 1, 2018 by RalphWilson'sNewWar
Correction

[simool]

My god. What the hell are you on?

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

5 minutes ago, simool said:

My god. What the hell are you on?

 

?  Just getting the ball rolling.  What don’t you like.  Fix it for me!

[Starr Almighty]

10 mil for a backup? ?

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

1 minute ago, Starr Almighty said:

10 mil for a backup? ?

Is it a lock Darnold or Allen are day 1 starters?  I was under the assumption both of the QBs who are being talked about going first are not locks to start.

 

cleveland put in an offer for Alex Smith which makes me believe they wanted a Vet to start because the QB they like the most will need some time to adapt to the NFL.

 

so Taylor on a 1 year deal...while Allen sits or Darnold  sits?  Is that beyond possible to see when it was almost Alex Smith starting while Allen/Darnold sat?

[Starr Almighty]

23 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Is it a lock Darnold or Allen are day 1 starters?  I was under the assumption both of the QBs who are being talked about going first are not locks to start.

 

cleveland put in an offer for Alex Smith which makes me believe they wanted a Vet to start because the QB they like the most will need some time to adapt to the NFL.

 

so Taylor on a 1 year deal...while Allen sits or Darnold  sits?  Is that beyond possible to see when it was almost Alex Smith starting while Allen/Darnold sat?

Your post said backup before you did an edit job. That's why I said as a backup

[BADOLBILZ]

43 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Let’s have some speculation fun and play with what some of the other teams are being quoted on at today’s press interviews from Combine.

 

Let’s start with the Browns and how they end their QB search by drafting one at #1.  But what happens to the 4th Pick?

 

Hue Jackson quoted today “Having six of the first 65 picks is going to be a huge opportunity for us moving forward.”

 

okay Hue.  If Buffalo gives you 21 and 22 and a second rounder you could have not 6 of the first 65 picks, but EIGHT of the first 65 picks! Lol.  8 is better than 6. ? 

 

what type of Quarterback Room does he want? A Young Player (the first overall pick) and according to Hue, “You want a guy who’s been a veteran player, that’s played in the National Football League, that’s had a chance to win,”

 

so if Cleveland can’t get any of the Viking 3 or McCarron.   Buffalo could give you a starting NFL Qb at 10 million dollar salary with Buffalo swallowing that players $6 Million bonus!

 

so Buffalo could boost Cleveland’s number of picks in the top 65 and provide a CHEAP Starting caliber QB.

 

Enough to get #4?

Would you take say...Darnold, Picks 21, 22, 53 (boosting overall picks in top 65 to 8 picks) and Taylor if you were the Browns?

 

? 

 

 

 

 

 

Please.......no more Taylor trade ideas from Tyrophobes.

 

If you don't think he's a suitable bridge then he's not worth anything more than a 5th(Matt Cassell 2014).........which is DICK for value in a first round trade up.

 

 

[gonzo1105]

I’m a firm believer that the Bills and Giants will make a trade for # 2. Just reading what other guys said, previous relationship with Gettlemen(much like the Chiefs last year), and the Giants willingness to hang on to Eli make me think this is a strong possibility. 

 

I also expect Cordy Glenn to be part of the deal. It just makes too much sense. 

[DefenseWins]

Actually I was thinking of a very similar type of deal. I don't think it is as crazy as it sounds at first, at all. In fact if I were McBean I'd be doing my "due diligence" with the top 5 teams assuming that Denver is successful at signing Cousins. Whether the Bills actually have a big preference for any one of the top 3 QB's at this point is unknown. One would expect that they will be following and interviewing all of the QB's at the combine before making any firm decisions. And the unknown here is how healthy is Cordy Glenn? If healthy he could be a valuable asset to Cleveland, the Giants or Indy. Could Cleve have an interest in picks 21, 22, maybe the Bills 2019 2nd rd pick and both Glenn and TT? 

[Ol Dirty B]

I'm lost, how are we giving them Darnold, the 21st, and 22nd? Do we somehow trade up to the giants pick without using those two picks. Within 20 minutes, realize our mistake, and trade the two picks just to get the Browns to take him off our hands?

[2003Contenders]

44 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

I'm lost, how are we giving them Darnold, the 21st, and 22nd? Do we somehow trade up to the giants pick without using those two picks. Within 20 minutes, realize our mistake, and trade the two picks just to get the Browns to take him off our hands?

 

I think he is saying that the Browns would select Darnold with the #1 overall pick then have the 21 and 22 picks (acquired in a trade down with the Bills) to make giving up the #4 pick appear rather palpable. 

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

42 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

I'm lost, how are we giving them Darnold, the 21st, and 22nd? Do we somehow trade up to the giants pick without using those two picks. Within 20 minutes, realize our mistake, and trade the two picks just to get the Browns to take him off our hands?

My bad on the wording.

 

if you are Cleveland does

Drafting Darnold and trading the 4th pick to then have in total

 

Sam Darnold and Picks 21, 22, 33, 35, 53, 64, 65 and Tyrod Taylor.

 

Look good as opposed to

 

Sam Darnold and picks 4, 33, 35, 64, 65

 

 

[Ol Dirty B]

2 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

My bad on the wording.

 

if you are Cleveland does

Drafting Darnold and trading the 4th pick to then have in total

 

Sam Darnold and Picks 21, 22, 33, 35, 53, 64, 65 and Tyrod Taylor.

 

Look good as opposed to

 

Sam Darnold and picks 4, 33, 35, 64, 65

 

 

 

Got'cha... This makes the theory more plausible than how I read it originally. 

[NewEra]

Totally makes sense to me.  Not sure about tyrod being included or if the browns would want him, but all those picks sure seems like a good idea for the browns.

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

Buffalo would then go from

picks 21, 22, 53, 56, 96

to

picks 4, 56, 96

 

and in essence the trade back with Kansas will have allowed you to secure your Franchise CB and Franchise QB both on Rookie deals for multiple seasons.

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

1 hour ago, DefenseWins said:

Actually I was thinking of a very similar type of deal. I don't think it is as crazy as it sounds at first, at all. In fact if I were McBean I'd be doing my "due diligence" with the top 5 teams assuming that Denver is successful at signing Cousins. Whether the Bills actually have a big preference for any one of the top 3 QB's at this point is unknown. One would expect that they will be following and interviewing all of the QB's at the combine before making any firm decisions. And the unknown here is how healthy is Cordy Glenn? If healthy he could be a valuable asset to Cleveland, the Giants or Indy. Could Cleve have an interest in picks 21, 22, maybe the Bills 2019 2nd rd pick and both Glenn and TT? 

Since it’s late we can get a little nutty, but if Buffalo gets to 4...who is to say they don’t try or feel the need to get to 2 or 3 ala Bears in 2017?

 

At that point Buffalo offering Cordy Glenn, Picks 4, 121 and 2019 2nd or 3rd Rounder

to move from #4 to #2 or #3?

Edited March 1, 2018 by RalphWilson'sNewWar

[Doc Brown]

There's a rumor the Browns could trade for Andrew Luck which would throw the beginning of the draft into chaos with the Colts having three of the first four picks.  How fun would that be?  

[2003Contenders]

I am not sure it would cost THAT much to move up. 

 

Let's look back at a similar trade-up between Atlanta and the very same Cleveland Browns  (to get Julio Jones) a few years ago (2011). In order to move up from 27 to 6, the Falcons gave up the following: #27 pick, 2nd rounder and 4th rounder in 2011, and the 1st rounder and 4th rounder in 2012.

 

Notice that the Falcons did not have an additional 1st round pick in 2011 to work with as the Bills do. That additional 1st rounder (21/22) is worth more than the future 1st and 4th rounder combined. Hence, I would think that a trade of 21 and 22, coupled with one of the 2nd rounders this year would be enough to get into the top 5. Maybe sweeten the deal with one of the two 5th round picks.

 

And, if Cordy Glenn truly is healthy, I would rather hold onto him.

[Peace Frog]

4 hours ago, simool said:

My god. What the hell are you on?

What the hell is he on?  Cannonball coming, cannonball coming!

 

[Thurman#1]

 

Would they trade back? I wouldn't be surprised but I bet they'll be looking for picks next year and in the future at this point. They don't need more this year, really. But can they start a conveyor belt so that each year they have more coming to them than anyone else does?

 

I'm sure they'd love to start something like that. We should be - in the long term - hoping to start working that way as well. But just as for us getting a franchise QB has to be #1 and then probably toughening the front seven the next ... the Browns are going to have bigger priorities than bringing in more picks.

 

They would demand extra value, and would turn things down if the guys they want are there. And they're likely to be.

 

Oh, and Cleveland doesn't need Tyrod. They've got Kiser and Kessler. Tyrod wouldn't mean anything to them.

 

In any case, my guess is no, they'd rather have one of the top seven or ten guys, the absolute blue chippers, rather than more numbers for a team that's already got a ton of picks. Just a guess. But the Bills should ask. They should ask everyone at this point.

 

 

4 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

I’m a firm believer that the Bills and Giants will make a trade for # 2. Just reading what other guys said, previous relationship with Gettlemen(much like the Chiefs last year), and the Giants willingness to hang on to Eli make me think this is a strong possibility. 

 

I also expect Cordy Glenn to be part of the deal. It just makes too much sense. 

 

 

I'm not a believer, but I'm sure hopeful about it.

Edited March 1, 2018 by Thurman#1