26CornerBlitz Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 This is a terrible idea that I hope they vote down. NFL Could Change Defensive PI to a 15-yard Penalty The NFL is reportedly looking at implementing a number of rule changes, some expected (clarifying the catch rule) and some not so. One of the surprising proposals offered by the NFL Competition Committee is to change the penalty for defensive pass interference from a spot foul to a 15-yard penalty at most, NFL Network's Judy Battista reported Tuesday. This is more in line with how the game is refereed on the collegiate level. Changing the pass interference penalty is on its face a defense-first measure. Offenses would have far less to gain by "chucking it up" to try and draw a penalty from a grabby defensive back downfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) I can see both sides. 1. A long pass interference call can seriously impact the game. And a lot of the time those calls are very ticky tack. 2. On the other side, players will just tackle the player if they are beat on a deep throw. They would be more than happy to concede the 15 yards. It’s a lose lose either way in my opinion. Overall I would slightly prefer them to keep the rule as is, but let the players play more and don’t call it PI unless it really impacts the play. Edited February 27, 2018 by billsfan11 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Agree it’s not a good idea. Gonna be open season on every receiver who beats his man deep. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, K-9 said: Agree it’s not a good idea. Gonna be open season on every receiver who beats his man deep. Yep. College is unwatchable now because everytime someone gets beat deep, they get mugged. There aren't even big plays anymore. Just a flag fest. Yesiree. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Stupid to do this. If my guy get's a step on me and is 45 yards downfield looking for the ball when I catch up I'm going to lay him out and save 30 yards. An easier way to fix the problem would be to let pass interference calls be challengeable, though that's another load of crap to do with. I suppose if this is the way they wan't to do it and they need to address the fact that they can just mug a guy when he gets deep they could do a 2 strike ejection or something like that, but that's still stupid because preventing 2 big plays changes the whole game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Pats* received the most yards gained via pass interference in the league in 2017: http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/defensive-pass-interference?year=2017 If a rule change hurts them more than the Bills I am in favor of it. :-) 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, whatdrought said: Stupid to do this. If my guy get's a step on me and is 45 yards downfield looking for the ball when I catch up I'm going to lay him out and save 30 yards. An easier way to fix the problem would be to let pass interference calls be challengeable, though that's another load of crap to do with. They challenge PI calls in the CFL and in my opinion it’s pretty annoying and kills the flow of the game even more. I would just let the players play more and don’t call it unless it’s blatant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 What if they do a quick calculation and penalize them the difference between the spot of the foul and 15 yards? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: What if they do a quick calculation and penalize them the difference between the spot of the foul and 15 yards? Interesting thought. I kind of like that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I can see both sides. 1. A long pass interference call can seriously impact the game. And a lot of the time those calls are very ticky tack. 2. On the other side, players will just tackle the player if they are beat on a deep throw. They would be more than happy to concede the 15 yards. It’s a lose lose either way in my opinion. Overall I would slightly prefer them to keep the rule as is, but let the players play more and don’t call it PI unless it really impacts the play. Couldn't they do it the same way they've modified "roughing the kicker"? There's a 5 yd version and a 15 yd automatic first down version. A close, aggressive play where there was some contact could be a 15 yard penalty (hand on the back, hands on should or arm as ball is arriving...). However blatant PI, obvious mugging, not even turning to play the ball is a spot foul. Also gives referees some latitude on late "hail mary" passes. Those heaves always make me nervous that the offense will get a cheap PI penalty,... not sure how much that actually happens. Anyway, penalty could be at the discretion of referee. Edited February 27, 2018 by cage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: What if they do a quick calculation and penalize them the difference between the spot of the foul and 15 yards? That is actually a really good idea. I see it from both points of view. You hate having a guy throwing a 50 yard pass near the goal line and then the flag puts them at the 1. Hail Mary's always make me hold my breath just because of it. Then of course, 15 yarders for PI makes the defensive back more inclined to hold if he's beat, eliminating the deep ball potential. Your idea is a great compromise between the two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: What if they do a quick calculation and penalize them the difference between the spot of the foul and 15 yards? Unnecessarily complicated IMO. I hope they just leave it as a spot foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I'd like them to keep it as a spot foul, but make it reviewable. For those saying "it will just make the game even longer!"...no it won't. Coaches still only get two challenges per game. Simply adding PI to what is considered reviewable won't change much at all in the way of game length. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, co_springs_billsfan said: Pats* received the most yards gained via pass interference in the league in 2017: http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/defensive-pass-interference?year=2017 If a rule change hurts them more than the Bills I am in favor of it. :-) I was gonna say, I'm pretty sure the Pats have a play called Gronk Deep Riveron Call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Unnecessarily complicated IMO. I hope they just leave it as a spot foul. I would not be upset if they left it as a spot foul at all. But if they want to change it, then I don't think subtraction is unnecessarily complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: I would not be upset if they left it as a spot foul at all. But if they want to change it, then I don't think subtraction is unnecessarily complicated. It seems like half of the time the officials can't figure out where to spot the ball as things stand right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 This would hurt Brady and the Patriots more than any other team so I can't be completely against it. I think the the thin most of us hate is when a team gets the ball at the one yard line or even inside of the 5 because of a iffy call that happened on a 50 yard pass play. They need to fix those calls for those situations. Not necessarily the entire rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: It seems like half of the time the officials can't figure out where to spot the ball as things stand right now. You certainly won't find me championing NFL officials for their capability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, cage said: Couldn't they do it the same way they've modified "roughing the kicker"? There's a 5 yd version and a 15 yd automatic first down version. A close, aggressive play where there was some contact could be a 15 yard penalty (hand on the back, hands on should or arm as ball is arriving...). However blatant PI, obvious mugging, not even turning to play the ball is a spot foul. Also gives referees some latitude on late "hail mary" passes. Those heaves always make me nervous that the offense will get a cheap PI penalty,... not sure how much that actually happens. Anyway, penalty could be at the discretion of referee. I hear your points. The way I look at it is the officials already have so much on their plate and are pretty incompetent for the most part. If they add discretion/judgement to the rule, it just puts more on their plate and even more of a chance they mess it up lol. Thats personally the way I see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, K-9 said: Agree it’s not a good idea. Gonna be open season on every receiver who beats his man deep. That was my immediate thought, but there is no guarantee that the WR will actually catch the ball or that the throw will be catchable... Plus your DL could get a sack before the QB throws. Or disrupt the QB enough that he doesn't see the open man. Lots of variables at play... If you just tackle the guy it's 15 yards and a 1st down. If the ball isn't right on a lot of times the deep ball doesn't connect, so you would be assuming a lot if you just tackle a guy. Plus the offense is going to start picking on you then with a speedster to see if they can take further advantage. I like the idea. The pass interference calls are ridiculous now. And anyone who says just tackle the guy who beats you deep is forgetting that you are still giving up 15 and a fresh set of downs when a lot can happen on a pass. Tackle a guy on a hail mary and all you did was give the offense ANOTHER hail mary 15 yards closer. Games cannot end on defensive fouls. Totally a non-issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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