DC Tom Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, garybusey said: Even Red State disagrees with the fake news you are spewing. He was at the school when the shootings occurred. He was in a closet. There's a video of it. https://www.redstate.com/sarah-rumpf/2018/03/26/new-video-casts-doubt-whether-david-hogg-school-day-shooting/ The recorded tape of him actually says... At 6 pm after the shooting, I took my camera, got on my bike. I rode in basically twilight. And I ride my bike three miles down winding sidewalks and find my way to the school, as I’ve done in previous years. All the while, I was making sure my camera bag didn’t rip open, because if you zip it a certain way, the camera falls out, and it would be destroyed. Congratulations. You're officially an idiot. He was at the school during the shooting. Reminds me of when Hillary was dodging sniper fire in Bosnia... Just now, Cugalabanza said: It’s odd that some of the same people who were in such a hurry to champion freedom of speech when white supremacist groups were protesting now want so badly for these teenagers to shut up. People confuse "not taking seriously" with "wanting to silence." I think the big thing is that people regret seeing these kids used by monied interests as propaganda props. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 58 minutes ago, Wacka said: Hogg wasn't even at school when the shootings occurred. There is tape of him saying "I rode my bike the three miles to school " to record stuff. Right after the shooting he said he was in class. Some "victim" he is. 55 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: He's a liar. All SJWs are. Not only is this untrue, but it’s disgusting. I’m honestly shocked at your responses. It’s not just a lack of sympathy that you’re displaying that makes me sick, but it’s the gross manner in which you attack the survivors. Step back. Remove the tinfoil hat. This is all this is about: Kids survive a school shooting, see their friends die, and now they want to do whatever it takes to prevent that from happening to anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, fridge said: Not only is this untrue, but it’s disgusting. I’m honestly shocked at your responses. It’s not just a lack of sympathy that you’re displaying that makes me sick, but it’s the gross manner in which you attack the survivors. Step back. Remove the tinfoil hat. This is all this is about: Kids survive a school shooting, see their friends die, and now they want to do whatever it takes to prevent that from happening to anyone else. Again, that's not why he's a liar. He's a liar because he spun a web of lies in his podium demagoguery. And I don't give a **** what his relationship is to the events. He's chosen to stand on the still warm corpses of his classmates and use them to push his personal political agenda, and is attempting to use himself as a human shield to protect the people now handling him in the pushing of that agenda. He's a disgusting person, with disgusting ideas. He can !@#$ right off. I'll be making a massive donation to the NRA in his name. Edited March 27, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, fridge said: It’s not just a lack of sympathy that you’re displaying that makes me sick, but it’s the gross manner in which you attack the survivors. Can we clear something up real quick? Being a "survivor" does not grant you special status in and of itself nor does it make your ideas/opinions any more valid than before you "survived" something nor does it put you above criticism. While "victim" and "survivor" are now the greatest titles one can hope to achieve in the SJW's world, they don't make you special. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Again, that's not why he's a liar. He's a liar because he spun a web of lies in his podium demagoguery. And I don't give a **** what his relationship is to the events. He's chosen to stand on the still warm corpses of his classmates and use them to push his personal political agenda, and is attempting to use himself as a human shield to protect the people now handling him in the pushing of that agenda. He's a disgusting person, with disgusting ideas. He can !@#$ right off. I'll be making a massive donation to the NRA in his name. You have such vile hatred towards kids that survived a school shooting, I honestly don’t even know how to approach this... He’s a disgusting person? He’s a kid that survived a school shooting. Jesus Christ. He’s standing on his classmates’ corpses? Is he giving speeches about abortion? No he’s talking about gun reform. I’m pretty sure if given the chance to live the victims would gladly prefer a life with gun reform than die as a result of a school shooting. I doubt they would feel their friend is selfish as he pushes his “agenda”. 5 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: Can we clear something up real quick? Being a "survivor" does not grant you special status in and of itself nor does it make your ideas/opinions any more valid than before you "survived" something nor does it put you above criticism. While "victim" and "survivor" are now the greatest titles one can hope to achieve in the SJW's world, they don't make you special. That is all. Ok? What’s your point? He did survive a school shooting. That’s a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, fridge said: You have such vile hatred towards kids that survived a school shooting, I honestly don’t even know how to approach this... He’s a disgusting person? He’s a kid that survived a school shooting. Jesus Christ. He’s standing on his classmates’ corpses? Is he giving speeches about abortion? No he’s talking about gun reform. I’m pretty sure if given the chance to live the victims would gladly prefer a life with gun reform than die as a result of a school shooting. I doubt they would feel their friend is selfish as he pushes his “agenda”. Yes, he is a disgusting person. He's presuming the politics of the dead, and standing on their corpses, and he's doing so to the designed exclusion of the voices of other classmates who disagree with his stance. Further, he's attempting to use himself as a human shield to deflect criticism of the position he's advocating (anti-rights); with dopes like yourself saying stupid things like "how dare you attack the survivors of a school shooting!" !@#$ you. His argument is vile, and anyone who makes it should be castigated. The fact that you don't find this sort of demagoguery disgusting says everything anyone needs to know about you and your politics. I'll be making a second donation to the NRA in your name. Edited March 27, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 32 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Reminds me of when Hillary was dodging sniper fire in Bosnia... Deflect to Clintons Tom strikes again. CLINTONS DID IT CLINTONS DID IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, fridge said: Not only is this untrue, but it’s disgusting. I’m honestly shocked at your responses. It’s not just a lack of sympathy that you’re displaying that makes me sick, but it’s the gross manner in which you attack the survivors. Step back. Remove the tinfoil hat. This is all this is about: Kids survive a school shooting, see their friends die, and now they want to do whatever it takes to prevent that from happening to anyone else. These kids are knowingly allowing themselves to be used as a protective shield for those pushing a political agenda. What started out as a real concern for school security morphed into marches and gatherings to promote gun control and a get out the (democrat) vote drive. The Left has taken control over the protests with their organizing and financial backing and the students are being used as pawns. Two things you can be assured of: The Left needs mass murders by guns to keep their agenda fresh and SJW do always lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Yes, he is a disgusting person. He's presuming the politics of the dead, and standing on their corpses, and he's doing so to the designed exclusion of the voices of other classmates who disagree with his stance. The fact that you don't find this sort of demagoguery disgusting says everything anyone needs to know about you and your politics. I'll be making a second donation to the NRA in your name. Presuming their politics? They were children. Are you suggesting ANY OF THEM would prefer to be a martyr for you and your NRA donation? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 minute ago, fridge said: Presuming their politics? They were children. Are you suggesting ANY OF THEM would prefer to be a martyr for you and your NRA donation? Why is it when anyone here says "are you suggesting" or So you're saying"..................They are completely wrong on what you meant. That's not what TYTT said. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 minute ago, fridge said: Presuming their politics? They were children. Are you suggesting ANY OF THEM would prefer to be a martyr for you and your NRA donation? I'm suggesting that it's completely disgusting to build a podium out of their dead bodies. I'm also suggesting that I couldn't possibly give fewer !@#$s about what their political opinions would have been. You, and pieces of **** like David Hogg, and the ones martyring them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Just now, B-Man said: Why is it when anyone here says "are you suggesting" or So you're saying"..................They are completely wrong on what you meant. That's not what TYTT said. . Oh yeah, I've just totally misinterpreted him. He's a really swell guy that thinks dead children had supreme opinions on the second amendment and wouldn't want their classmates to stand up for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Just now, TakeYouToTasker said: I'm suggesting that it's completely disgusting to build a podium out of their dead bodies. I'm also suggesting that I couldn't possibly give fewer !@#$s about what their political opinions would have been. You, and pieces of **** like David Hogg, and the ones martyring them. TRIGGERED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I'm suggesting that it's completely disgusting to build a podium out of their dead bodies. I'm also suggesting that I couldn't possibly give fewer !@#$s about what their political opinions would have been. You, and pieces of **** like David Hogg, and the ones martyring them. All I want is to prevent senseless deaths. Guess that makes me a piece of ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, fridge said: Oh yeah, I've just totally misinterpreted him. He's a really swell guy that thinks dead children had supreme opinions on the second amendment and wouldn't want their classmates to stand up for them. You did it again. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, fridge said: Presuming their politics? They were children. Are you suggesting ANY OF THEM would prefer to be a martyr for you and your NRA donation? Now they're children? Are they considered children when the left whores them out to push there agenda? It's disgusting how the left uses children for a political gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 I was hoping no one would go with that false "he was at home BS"...............but it doesn't change the fact that he is a willing dupe for the Left. The Stupidity of the ´March For Our Lives´ by Kevin McCullough Original Article The virtue signaling over one’s disagreement with “A March For Our Lives” reached fever pitch with the culmination of Saturday’s event. Yet a trend across social media seemed to be playing out. If someone criticized David Hogg, Alex Wind, or Emma Gonzales there was an immediate lashing out in response. These teens and two of their comrades appear on this week’s cover of TIME magazine. Two weeks ago they traveled to Dubai to be part of an international symposium on education. They have sucked up nearly every available second of possible air time on CNN & MSNBC (while obviously avoiding actual journalism.) They’ve also had ample amounts of cash and exposure thrown their way.Saturday’s march was to be the pinnacle of this outrage movement that has largely been propped up by false pretense. These young people—immediately thrown into one of the most manipulated controversies of our time—are angry, opportunistic and—just a month after their classmates were needlessly lost—now instant celebrities. Even though they have little more than a junior high level of education under their belt. The political left, driven by a leftist media, and financed by uber-rich and hard-left celebrities are willing to use them, and to continue to use them to advance their socialist utopia ideals. (One of the primary ideas of which has always included disarming the masses.) more at the link: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, fridge said: All I want is to prevent senseless deaths. Guess that makes me a piece of ****. You want to push your agenda. Admit it. Let's not let a tragedy go to waste! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 minute ago, westside said: Now they're children? Are they considered children when the left whores them out to push there agenda? It's disgusting how the left uses children for a political gain. The part about the dead students who died in a school shooting that bothers you is that I called them "children". Okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Just now, fridge said: All I want is to prevent senseless deaths. Guess that makes me a piece of ****. If that is what you want then kudos to you. Now instead of supporting the action taken by the kids that is way off target, then why don't you support something that will actually help solve the problem rather than some leftist political goals? Why was this latest shooting not prevented? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Just now, fridge said: The part about the dead students who died in a school shooting that bothers you is that I called them "children". Okay. What bothers me is you pretend to give a **** about those kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Just now, westside said: What bothers me is you pretend to give a **** about those kids. I must be faking it, right? There's no way I could actually feel intense rage that we still have to deal with school shootings in this country, right? I can tell that it really gets to you that other people have an ounce of compassion in them while you were born soulless and cruel. 3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: If that is what you want then kudos to you. Now instead of supporting the action taken by the kids that is way off target, then why don't you support something that will actually help solve the problem rather than some leftist political goals? Why was this latest shooting not prevented? I want to stay on this, and not gloss over it. What action was way off target? A peaceful protest? That's as fundamental a right as the second amendment, is it not? As for prevention, man that's tough, and certainly not something I can try to chip away at in between work. I certainly don't think arming the teachers would do anything positive if that's where you're headed. Gun homicide rates are 25.3 times higher in the US than in other high-income countries. Our numbers are much closer to third world countries where we often mock their lack of safety. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, B-Man said: These young people—immediately thrown into one of the most manipulated controversies of our time— What? They have nothing to do with Clinton and Benghazi... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, fridge said: I must be faking it, right? There's no way I could actually feel intense rage that we still have to deal with school shootings in this country, right? I can tell that it really gets to you that other people have an ounce of compassion in them while you were born soulless and cruel. I believe you when you claim compassion and rage over school shootings. The question at hand is how does it get solved? The conversation needs to be led away from the Lefts long term agenda goals that they are making these kids complicit in, and towards actually solving the problem. This issue does not need to be hijacked by a political goal or political party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I'm an idiot Yup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, fridge said: I must be faking it, right? There's no way I could actually feel intense rage that we still have to deal with school shootings in this country, right? I can tell that it really gets to you that other people have an ounce of compassion in them while you were born soulless and cruel. I want to stay on this, and not gloss over it. What action was way off target? A peaceful protest? That's as fundamental a right as the second amendment, is it not? As for prevention, man that's tough, and certainly not something I can try to chip away at in between work. I certainly don't think arming the teachers would do anything positive if that's where you're headed. Gun homicide rates are 25.3 times higher in the US than in other high-income countries. Our numbers are much closer to third world countries where we often mock their lack of safety. A peaceful protest of what? A mentally ill kid who had shown signs dozens of times that he was a problem, was reported to the local police and the FBI and even was predicted to be a mass murderer didn't get help? One would think that they would be protesting that rather than being sucked into the Left's agenda of disarming the public and get out the (democrat) vote drives. These kids are just being used to further a political purpose. Remember, the Left needs school shootings to further their agenda. They need the talking shouting points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 29 minutes ago, fridge said: All I want is to prevent senseless deaths. Guess that makes me a piece of ****. I didn't say you were a piece of ****, I said David Hogg is a piece of ****. I don't know what your stance on natural rights is, and I don't know if you presume yourself special enough that you'd advocate directly violating the rights of millions of people, and billions more not even born yet, as Hogg is. My rights are not David Hogg's to surrender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Cugalabanza said: It’s odd that some of the same people who were in such a hurry to champion freedom of speech when white supremacist groups were protesting now want so badly for these teenagers to shut up. For the record and clarity - I have no problem with them, or anyone, exercising their right to protest and free speech. It just doesn't mean I don't get to voice my on concerns about their agenda, regardless of their age or circumstance. Pretty sure thats Tasker too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: For the record and clarity - I have no problem with them, or anyone, exercising their right to protest and free speech. It just doesn't mean I don't get to voice my on concerns about their agenda, regardless of their age or circumstance. Pretty sure thats Tasker too. 11 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I didn't say you were a piece of ****, I said David Hogg is a piece of ****. Pretty sure Tasker has a problem with Hogg's right to free speech. He's been railing against Hogg for no other reason than his speech. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 hour ago, fridge said: Ok? What’s your point? He did survive a school shooting. That’s a fact. That doesn't make him any smarter or more informed or less immature than any other 17 year old (or however old he is). He can be criticized just like any other 17 year old with a megaphone can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, garybusey said: Pretty sure Tasker has a problem with Hogg's right to free speech. He's been railing against Hogg for no other reason than his speech. I disagree. But I won't speak for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Of course everyone feels compassion to the victims of such an awful, preventable tragedy. It's these ambulance chasers that want to use this as an attempt to push their political agenda I find disgustingand heartless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 53 minutes ago, fridge said: All I want is to prevent senseless deaths. Guess that makes me a piece of ****. So, what do you plan to do about it? What can be changed? Hashtags, marches, boohooing and wanting soon else to make adult decisions for these kids isn't going to work. Especially when a majority of teens are against the March for the lives statements. It's abhorrent what these idiot kids are doing and they're 10% of the population. The only option folks like you want is what former justice Stevens wants - repeal the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, garybusey said: Pretty sure Tasker has a problem with Hogg's right to free speech. He's been railing against Hogg for no other reason than his speech. Disagreeing with the content of someone's speech is not the same as being against their right to speak, you !@#$ing moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Just now, DC Tom said: Disagreeing with the content of someone's speech is not the same as being against their right to speak, you !@#$ing moron. If he disagreed with the content he would simply disagree with the content and not call him a piece of ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 There it is.................the paper of record. Repeal the Second Amendment New York Times, by John Paul Stevens Original Article AND.............as needs to be repeated on every page: A reminder from the Washington Post: School shootings becoming LESS common... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 minute ago, garybusey said: If he disagreed with the content he would simply disagree with the content and not call him a piece of ****. Okay, stipulated...but still not an advocating an abridgement of free speech. We let you post here, for example, even though we think you're a piece of ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, garybusey said: Pretty sure Tasker has a problem with Hogg's right to free speech. He's been railing against Hogg for no other reason than his speech. Well, that's an awfully dopey argument. I fully endorse David Hogg's right to speech. No where have I advocated for restricting his ability to do so. What I have taken issue with, and am attacking, are his political agenda and his moral character for advocating an anti rights platform standing on a podium carefully constructed with the dead bodies of his classmates. As an aside, David Hogg is advocating against his own right to free speech, though he may not even realize it. He is making an attack on the fundamental philosophy of natural rights. His argument is either that it is OK to violate the natural rights of others on pursuit of political goals; or that natural rights don't exist at all, and rather we simply enjoy privileges granted to us by our ruling class which can and should be suspended on the whims of the masses. The rights philosophies which dictate the principals outlined in the Second Amendment are the exact same rights philosophies which dictate the principals outlined in the First Amendment, and you can't undercut one without undercutting the other. 2 minutes ago, garybusey said: If he disagreed with the content he would simply disagree with the content and not call him a piece of ****. This is another dopey argument. It assumes that all opinions have equal merit by nature of being opinions, that no opinions are better or worse, and that advocating harmful opinions as political goals doesn't speak to a lack of moral character. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Okay, stipulated...but still not an advocating an abridgement of free speech. We let you post here, for example, even though we think you're a piece of ****. You're too easy. Hoggboy is a piece of **** with ****ty ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: You're too easy. Hoggboy is a piece of **** with ****ty ideas. Stipulating made it easier to call him a piece of **** than arguing would have. Priorities... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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