If Darnold doesn’t go #1

[RochesterRob]

3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Cocaine’s a hell of a drug 

  It's called out bidding the other guy in an auction setting.  If these guys grade out as top material to us then they should grade out as top material to other teams as well.  Nobody is obligated to use Jimmy Johnson's trade guide or any other guide.  If you really want pick 2,3,4, or whatever it means raising your hand until  the other guys stop bidding.  I don't get the mentality here that our supposed high rating of these QB's is going to be some sort of secret or that we are the only team that decides that it thinks that it is in need of a QB.  Never mind that some think (not me) that 40 plus year old QB's can will themselves to play at previously productive levels.  I am sorry that some here are bothered by what myself and others have to say about the matter.

[JaCrispy]

4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  It's called out bidding the other guy in an auction setting.  If these guys grade out as top material to us then they should grade out as top material to other teams as well.  Nobody is obligated to use Jimmy Johnson's trade guide or any other guide.  If you really want pick 2,3,4, or whatever it means raising your hand until  the other guys stop bidding.  I don't get the mentality here that our supposed high rating of these QB's is going to be some sort of secret or that we are the only team that decides that it thinks that it is in need of a QB.  Never mind that some think (not me) that 40 plus year old QB's can will themselves to play at previously productive levels.  I am sorry that some here are bothered by what myself and others have to say about the matter.

I hear ya- I just don’t think it will take 6-7 high picks as you suggest...remember other teams don’t have the capital to match what we can offer...what other team can offer 3 1st round picks if need be...that would be their top pick for 3 straight drafts...but it would only be 2 drafts for us...throw in an extra 2nd rounder if need be and that is only 4 high picks...it would be very difficult for other teams to compete with what we can potentially offer imo...therefore I’m not at all concerned whether we can do it...I just wonder if McBeane has the balls to do what needs to be done.

[Paulus]

21 hours ago, PIZ said:

What about Rosen?  I'm starting to think he's the target.

God, I hope not.

[SouthNYfan]

25 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Cleveland is on a level all to themselves as no player usually ever wants to play there anymore. That team hasn't been relevant since the 1980s and Marty Schottenheimer.

 

In the past under the late owner Ralph Wilson, the FO couldn't even get certain coaches to even interview with the team much less coach in Buffalo. That was as little ago as in this past decade. In the 1970's Buffalo got a national bad rep for bad air, bad weather, no jobs and most of all the love canal. The way Wilson got Chuck Knox to coach in Buffalo was to make him one of the highest paid in the league. Most of that is now forgotten.

 

Most everything bad from the past has changed with new ownership and most of the today's players don't care about a small market as they would rather live in a family atmosphere over a party town. The only thing that players would now think twice about playing in Buffalo is the weather and if you ask any of the 90's Bills players they relished playing in the snow in Nov, Dec, Jan.         

 

Right now with this coaching staff, owner this team is more enticing than Bills fans think. I think Cousins would pick Buffalo over the NY Jets, Denver, and Arizona as those coaching staffs didn't have a winning season in 2017. 

 

My thing about the browns was a joke.

The rest of your post I agree with, except for the last paragraph.

I think it's presumptuous to say they are ahead of us based on one season.

Denver has a recent Superbowl victory, and another appearance.

Arizona has recent success as well.

The Jets are a larger market, so maybe he likes that? I don't think so with them though.

I think Denver and Arizona are higher than us, then us, then the Jets.

[Nihilarian]

1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

My thing about the browns was a joke.

The rest of your post I agree with, except for the last paragraph.

I think it's presumptuous to say they are ahead of us based on one season.

Denver has a recent Superbowl victory, and another appearance.

Arizona has recent success as well.

The Jets are a larger market, so maybe he likes that? I don't think so with them though.

I think Denver and Arizona are higher than us, then us, then the Jets.

Denver went 5-11 last year with a new coaching staff and wouldn't be all that enticing as they are more than just a QB away from being a SB contender.  As for Arizona new HC Steve Wilks was the Panthers DC for only one season and an assistant coaching DB's the last 11 years. Both regimes haven't proved a thing as to if they can field a winning team. 

 

Looking at the NY Jets last season they had a decent QB in Josh McCown that threw for nearly three thousand yards with 18 TDs, 9 INTs. The Jets have bigger problems than just a QB as their coaching staff stinks and I kinda doubt Cousins would even help that team.  

 

I would think Cousins might look at Buffalo and see a good coaching staff, good defense that should improve and most importantly a top RB, rushing attack that will help take pressure off him. 

 

The thing is I highly doubt Buffalo would want to pay him 34 mill per should Washington franchise him and he signs. Even if things don't go that far Buffalo only has 31.4 in cap space and it would take some creative wrangling to get Cousins under contract with the Bills. They might be more interested in Bradford, Bridgewater or even Foles. 

[SouthNYfan]

8 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

Denver went 5-11 last year with a new coaching staff and wouldn't be all that enticing as they are more than just a QB away from being a SB contender.  As for Arizona new HC Steve Wilks was the Panthers DC for only one season and an assistant coaching DB's the last 11 years. Both regimes haven't proved a thing as to if they can field a winning team. 

 

Looking at the NY Jets last season they had a decent QB in Josh McCown that threw for nearly three thousand yards with 18 TDs, 9 INTs. The Jets have bigger problems than just a QB as their coaching staff stinks and I kinda doubt Cousins would even help that team.  

 

I would think Cousins might look at Buffalo and see a good coaching staff, good defense that should improve and most importantly a top RB, rushing attack that will help take pressure off him. 

 

The thing is I highly doubt Buffalo would want to pay him 34 mill per should Washington franchise him and he signs. Even if things don't go that far Buffalo only has 31.4 in cap space and it would take some creative wrangling to get Cousins under contract with the Bills. They might be more interested in Bradford, Bridgewater or even Foles. 

 

Denver's QB situation was horrible.

Turnover city.

Their defense is still a top flight unit, as good or better than ours.

I'm not impressed with their coach much, but they have a significantly better receiving corps and their running game is solid too.

Their OLine is a dumpster fire though.

They are instantly one of the top AFC teams with a QB, just like we are.

 

Their front office and ownership has recent success on not only winning, but in turning around a poor team rather quickly.

 

It's presumptuous to claim we are the definite favorites when pretty much nobody outside Buffalo seems to think so.

 

We are in the running, with a decent enough shot, assuming we will pay him$$$,  but you are acting like it's a foregone conclusion.

 

 

I'm being realistic, you're being Buffalo biased.

Edited February 11, 2018 by SouthNYfan
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[FearLess Price]

12 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Cousins and McD is what I wrote.  You need to actually read what posters write before criticizing.  Read the si article and you'll see how he and McD would be a great match.

 

I wasnt criticizing anything other than the belief that we are a perrenial playoff team rite now, a few more seasons and playoff births and we will be. Im just telling you Cousins wont play here. I didnt need to read about Cousins and McDerm being faith buddies either. I didnt mean to poop on your Cousins in a Bills uniform fantasy but it is what it is. This regime is drafting a QB this year, new OC, and stock pile of picks in case we need to go full Ditka, its the perfect time.

 

10 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Sure changed the perception of the Browns after they made the playoffs in 2002.

Dudes were kicking down the door to sign there.

 

Boom. Bomb dropped.

[RochesterRob]

9 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

I hear ya- I just don’t think it will take 6-7 high picks as you suggest...remember other teams don’t have the capital to match what we can offer...what other team can offer 3 1st round picks if need be...that would be their top pick for 3 straight drafts...but it would only be 2 drafts for us...throw in an extra 2nd rounder if need be and that is only 4 high picks...it would be very difficult for other teams to compete with what we can potentially offer imo...therefore I’m not at all concerned whether we can do it...I just wonder if McBeane has the balls to do what needs to be done.

  We will have to offer quantity as we do not offer quality.  Namely, the 5th overall pick in the case of Denver.  So we have to offer quantity to make up for it.  It's like a Craigslist list ad that says "rare car, will consider trades" and "make offer" for what is for sale in the ad.  Denver with the 5th is like a 5 year old pickup with around 75,000 miles valued at 15,000 dollars while us with the 21st is like offering a 10 year old Toyota Corolla with 125,000 miles worth 7,000 dollars.  One for one we do not match Denver at all in terms of value.  We have to keep offering things such as the John Deere garden tractor and hope Denver does not offer things as well.  If we have the big box store D140 tractor and Denver has a X530 then we have to dig around in the house or garage to out do what Denver just put out.  

[OldTimer1960]

9 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

I hear ya- I just don’t think it will take 6-7 high picks as you suggest...remember other teams don’t have the capital to match what we can offer...what other team can offer 3 1st round picks if need be...that would be their top pick for 3 straight drafts...but it would only be 2 drafts for us...throw in an extra 2nd rounder if need be and that is only 4 high picks...it would be very difficult for other teams to compete with what we can potentially offer imo...therefore I’m not at all concerned whether we can do it...I just wonder if McBeane has the balls to do what needs to be done.

But several other teams don't have to move up as far so they won't need to offer as much.  Just going by one of the common draft value charts, Denver's 1st and 2nd pick are worth more than the Bills' two 1sts.

[WideRightRevenge]

On 2/10/2018 at 12:02 AM, Dkollidas said:

If Cleveland doesnt take the USC QB #1 overall, Is it pretty much guaranteed McDermott & Beane try to move Heaven & Earth in order to get Darnold?

 

Could see a deal directly with the Giants... #21, #22, 2019 1st Round Pick, 2019 4th Round Pick & OT- Cordy Glenn for #2.

 

Or could we see two deals? Trade to say, #7 with Tampa (#21 & 2019 1st Round Pick), and then Trade #7 plus Glenn plus #22 for #2?

 

Regardless, I just think they have been rumored to really like Darnold. If Cleveland takes a different guy, I could see the Bills making the move for Darnold.

 

If Darnold is taken #1? I honestly see them staying put and taking Rudolph. 

 

Please don't ... agree this is full Ditka .. don't punt that much

[ALF]

3. Redskins trade up for RGIII

Redskins receive: 2012 first-rounder (No. 2: QB Robert Griffin III) 

Rams receive: 2012 first-rounder (No. 6: Traded to Cowboys), 2012 second-round selection (No. 39: CB Janoris Jenkins), 2013 first-rounder (No. 22: Traded to Falcons), 2014 first-rounder (No. 2: OT Greg Robinson) 

 

2. Packers acquire Hadl

Packers receive: QB John Hadl 

Rams receive: 1975 first-rounder (No. 9: DT Mike Fanning), 1975 second-rounder (No. 28: DB Monte Jackson), 1975 third-rounder (No. 61: C Geoff Reece), 1976 first-rounder (No. 8: Traded to Bears), 1976 second-rounder (No. 39: DB Pat Thomas) 

 

This trade doomed the Packers to nearly two decades' worth of despair while concurrently aiding the Rams' run as one of the powerhouse teams of the 1970s.

 

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000519212

 

Throw away the draft value chart again this 1st rd. Then there is Goff  and Wentz  that were excellent  2nd season with the right coaching.

[BuffaloFan68]

If we are going to go with a lot of spread formations & RPOs then Mayfield & Jackson would be the best fit. If you want a more conventional pocket QB then Darnold, Rosen or Allen would probably be best. If you want to mix it up then you might want to go with Rudolph or White.  It really depends on the type of offense we're going with which is why I feel we're better off keeping our picks and going with a QB like Rudolph.  

While I still feel our next biggest need is LB then DT, I am on board with grabbing Simms for the O-line as it would give us some depth with Groy & the possibility of Glenn coming back (Richie is a beast but he's not getting any younger).  We need an elite sideline-to-sideline LB to really take this D to the next level IMO. 

Let's Go Buffalo!!!!!

[BadLandsMeanie]

Im sick of QBs with bad omen names. "Loss-man" now "Darn"-old  

 

I wouldnt take him!

[Nihilarian]

5 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Denver's QB situation was horrible.

Turnover city.

Their defense is still a top flight unit, as good or better than ours.

I'm not impressed with their coach much, but they have a significantly better receiving corps and their running game is solid too.

Their OLine is a dumpster fire though.

They are instantly one of the top AFC teams with a QB, just like we are.

 

Their front office and ownership has recent success on not only winning, but in turning around a poor team rather quickly.

 

It's presumptuous to claim we are the definite favorites when pretty much nobody outside Buffalo seems to think so.

 

We are in the running, with a decent enough shot, assuming we will pay him$$$,  but you are acting like it's a foregone conclusion.

 

 

I'm being realistic, you're being Buffalo biased.

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I don't believe I am. I'm just looking at the scenarios and thinking which one would I want to go to as a QB.  

 

Fair points on Denver to a degree, although I feel Cousins is going to look at the overall record of last year of the team which was 5-11 which Is something I believe is very, very important. What happened with other coaching staffs in other years won't matter.  He will also be looking hard at that current coaching staff. They switched from a west coast scheme which is what Cousins was in, in Washington, and last year went with Erhardt-Perkins scheme. I can tell you that the scheme switch and offensive line tire fire will weigh heavily. 

 

What might sell Cousins on Denver is John Elway though.Thinking on it Cousins isn't Peyton Manning who can call his own plays and he needs a solid offense to fit into to feel comfortable. Both Arizona and Minnesota changed coaches too. The only team I would deem more of an interest than Buffalo that might make a play for the guy is Jacksonville and they have stated they are sticking with Bortles. 

 

While everyone thinks it's all about the money, Cousins stated he wants to win so Cleveland is not even in the picture. The NY Jets also have enough cap space to sign him and yet again 5-11 with a not so bad QB.  That is unless he was lying and is going all in for the money. 

 

My take on this entire situation is that the Washington FO/owner has never thought of Cousins as a true franchise QB as he was a lowly 4th round pick. More of an afterthought with RG3 getting all the money and hype.I think he wants to win more than anything to show the Redskins what they missed out on.

 

If this Buffalo FO really wants Cousins I think he will be amenable to sign in Buffalo, unless of course, he wants Garoppolo type money. And yes, JMHO.

 

 

[SouthNYfan]

6 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

I don't believe I am. I'm just looking at the scenarios and thinking which one would I want to go to as a QB.  

 

Fair points on Denver to a degree, although I feel Cousins is going to look at the overall record of last year of the team which was 5-11 which Is something I believe is very, very important. What happened with other coaching staffs in other years won't matter.  He will also be looking hard at that current coaching staff. They switched from a west coast scheme which is what Cousins was in, in Washington, and last year went with Erhardt-Perkins scheme. I can tell you that the scheme switch and offensive line tire fire will weigh heavily. 

 

What might sell Cousins on Denver is John Elway though.Thinking on it Cousins isn't Peyton Manning who can call his own plays and he needs a solid offense to fit into to feel comfortable. Both Arizona and Minnesota changed coaches too. The only team I would deem more of an interest than Buffalo that might make a play for the guy is Jacksonville and they have stated they are sticking with Bortles. 

 

While everyone thinks it's all about the money, Cousins stated he wants to win so Cleveland is not even in the picture. The NY Jets also have enough cap space to sign him and yet again 5-11 with a not so bad QB.  That is unless he was lying and is going all in for the money. 

 

My take on this entire situation is that the Washington FO/owner has never thought of Cousins as a true franchise QB as he was a lowly 4th round pick. More of an afterthought with RG3 getting all the money and hype.I think he wants to win more than anything to show the Redskins what they missed out on.

 

If this Buffalo FO really wants Cousins I think he will be amenable to sign in Buffalo, unless of course, he wants Garoppolo type money. And yes, JMHO.

 

 

 

It has been talked about time and time again that their record was almost entirely due to QB play.

 

Why would he give a crap if a team had a bad record mostly due to crap QB play, when he is the possible incoming QB of said team?

 

 

The Jets are an up and coming team, with a coach who got performance nobody expected.

They are on the early stages of a rebuild, have jettisoned almost all of their baggage players, and have cap space and assets with a high pick this year.

Their front office seems to be on the upswing as well.

They are a very serious contender for cousins as well.

 

Edited February 11, 2018 by SouthNYfan

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

....just wild guesses.........

 

1. McBeane does NOT surrender draft capital to move up; pundits say Rudolph will be available at 21/22 and that's perhaps his choice.

2. McBeane plays FA capital conservatively without sinking MAJOR dollars in ONE player; he'll be a value shopper.

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

....just wild guesses.........

 

1. McBeane does NOT surrender draft capital to move up; pundits say Rudolph will be available at 21/22 and that's perhaps his choice.

2. McBeane plays FA capital conservatively without sinking MAJOR dollars in ONE player; he'll be a value shopper.

I think that they may have to trade up ahead of Arizona to get the guy that they like best among the guys left, assuming Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield are out of reach.

 

Every one of Rudolph’s games that I’ve watched leaves me wondering why the draft media thinks he will be available at pick 21.  He isn’t fast but I was impressed with each game I’ve watched.

Edited February 11, 2018 by OldTimer1960

[PrimeTime101]

On ‎2‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 12:12 AM, PIP said:

I think we should have tanked big time

no.. I will take the camel off the back and get into the playoffs first...

 

[Playoffs?]

38 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

no.. I will take the camel off the back and get into the playoffs first...

 

Absolutely agree. Need to start becoming a winner.. and on that note, I hope we continue to push forward. Let’s go for a playoff win now!

[Shaw66]

I don't think the Bills will trade up anyplace near the top.   I don't see them burning a boatload of draft picks for one player.

 

They might trade up into the 11-13 range if a QB they really like is hanging around.    

6 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

Im sick of QBs with bad omen names. "Loss-man" now "Darn"-old  

 

I wouldnt take him!

Now, that's the kind of in-depth analysis we've been missing around here!.