GunnerBill Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: The bar in sports journalism is much lower. Not saying our friend JW cuts corners, but others certainly do in order to get clicks. Plus sports writers are competing with independent bloggers who rarely have any standards. I think sadly that the bar in all journalism is now much lower. In my day it didn't matter, news or sport, if I got a story I never even took it to my editor before I had at least something from another source to corroborate - even if that "something" was, on occasion, a pointed refusal to deny. I stopped being a journalist about 11 years ago and since then I think social media has created a rush to be "first". It is all about getting out there and shaping the narrative. The sense of professionalism that the industry used to have to be not just first, but right, has gone by the wayside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: The bar in sports journalism is much lower. Not saying our friend JW cuts corners, but others certainly do in order to get clicks. Plus sports writers are competing with independent bloggers who rarely have any standards. On most topics in this world, JW and I tend to disagree. But he is, to me, the gold standard for Bills reporting. Period. And he knows, if you try to compete with independent bloggers, you soon become an independent blogger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think sadly that the bar in all journalism is now much lower. In my day it didn't matter, news or sport, if I got a story I never even took it to my editor before I had at least something from another source to corroborate - even if that "something" was, on occasion, a pointed refusal to deny. I stopped being a journalist about 11 years ago and since then I think social media has created a rush to be "first". It is all about getting out there and shaping the narrative. The sense of professionalism that the industry used to have to be not just first, but right, has gone by the wayside. That is very interesting. "a pointed refusal to deny". Thanks for that. that is pretty much a confirmation your info is accurate?? So you could write. "when contacted, Josh McDaniel's adamantly refuses to deny reports he has been assured he will succeed Bellicheck as HC when Bellicheck retires" Then let the readers decide how to interpret that. Win win for writer. Honest and accurate. Clickable. Meanwhile you can muse about what this could all mean in your piece if the lack of denial means it is true. Again win win. To take it even further, you could quote the source of info and then quote McDaniels denying it and still make an article although you may be ripped going that route and lose McDaniel as a source. Edited February 9, 2018 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think sadly that the bar in all journalism is now much lower. In my day it didn't matter, news or sport, if I got a story I never even took it to my editor before I had at least something from another source to corroborate - even if that "something" was, on occasion, a pointed refusal to deny. I stopped being a journalist about 11 years ago and since then I think social media has created a rush to be "first". It is all about getting out there and shaping the narrative. The sense of professionalism that the industry used to have to be not just first, but right, has gone by the wayside. I also worked as a freelance sports writer for a few years at the local paper. Mostly high school, nothing pro. I can assure you their standards were quite high. I also think most "real" papers still employ high standards. I could go down a road that would end up at PPP, so I won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, cba fan said: That is very interesting. "a pointed refusal to deny". Thanks for that. that is pretty much a confirmation your info is accurate?? So you could write. "when contacted, Josh McDaniel's adamantly refuses to deny reports he has been assured he will succeed Bellicheck as HC when Bellicheck retires" Then let the readers decide how to interpret that. Win win for writer. Honest and accurate. Clickable. It is not confirmation that your information is accurate but in some situations it gives you a pretty good sense that you are onto something. I won't go into details but I go a story from a player for a soccer club in the UK that a player who was being reported as "injured" had actually had a major fallout with the manager and was not being picked for that reason. I knew a guy on the club's equipment staff and called him. He didn't confirm the story. But he did not tell me I was wrong when asked point blank. I took it to my editor and he decided that was not enough proof and we didn't run it (it was sensitive for us because the station I worked for had a commercial relationship with the club in question). A national paper ran the story two days later as a back page lead and the club eventually had to admit it was true. I don't blame my editor... he had reason to tread carefully given I didn't exactly have corroboration. But the equipment guy who I called was someone who if it was not true would have told me straight away. He didn't and I was then convinced there was something in it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 There’s an unhealthy Patriots obsession on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 This is a perfect example of winning covers up a lot of sins. When you’re not winning, the ugliness creeps in. The butler story. The complaining in the locker room. This Brady story. They’re starting to look like every other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 2 hours ago, dulles said: There is difference between making a false report to authorities and being a dope on sports talk radio! Obviously so. You didn't carefully read what I wrote about prankster calls. This is a quote from the post: "Clearly the situation in this thread is not the same." I hope this clarifies your confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. WEO Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 3 hours ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: This is a perfect example of winning covers up a lot of sins. When you’re not winning, the ugliness creeps in. The butler story. The complaining in the locker room. This Brady story. They’re starting to look like every other team. Holy cow---really? Still?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdFront_USAF Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Welcome to New England, where even the reporters cheat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 11 hours ago, ColdFront_USAF said: Welcome to New England, where even the reporters cheat. And get suspended for irrational rants on team; Buffalo News should take note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 On 2/9/2018 at 7:40 AM, Doc said: He’s been taking less for years now because Gis makes a ton and the Cheaters are paying him on the side. Why would it change now? the league better keep an eye on how much Brady makes from the Pats after his playing days or over. Is there any rule that keeps the Pats form paying him 5 million per year to consult? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 On 2/9/2018 at 7:46 AM, dneveu said: He's like Jordan at this point. His contract is still a huge amount of money, but when you add in his endorsement money he's probably just as high as anyone else. The word is that Kraft adds more directly to Brady's salary by investing in his business ventures. Dunno if it's true but it would explain why Brady is willing to play for the Patriots at a "friends and family" discount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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