What would it (realistically) take to get Alex Smith?

[LABILLBACKER]

11 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

 I don’t think name calling is necessary. I also happen to think Tyrod isn’t the answer to the quarter back position for the Buffalo Bills. I also believe by basically every measurable possible Alex Smith has achieved more success in the NFL and has better numbers. I bet I would like Tyrod better than Alex Smith, but I think Alex Smith is a better quarterback. I think the Bills need to find a long term solution in a drafted quarterback. I think the Bills would be wise to investigate how all vets possibly  available handled themselves while in a position of having a rookie study under them. 

Since 2012, Alex Smith has a QBR of 96.3. That pretty damn impressive. He's 6-4 and still has mobility at 34. I give a 2nd for him and sign him to a 3 yr deal that closes out his career. Then I would draft the best available qb this April for him to mentor. Keep Peterman as 3rd qb. So if we had Alex starting with e.g. Rudolph as qb2 and Nate, Id feel very good about our qb situation.  I don't want Bradford, Cousins will cost too much and no to Bridgewater. 

[ndirish1978]

2 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

At least he was transparent about it and not passive aggressive.

and no I wouldn’t want that type of guy around unless the outcome was the same .

 

I legit have no problem with what Favre said, I think he's hilarious. 

[reddogblitz]

6 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Really? At LEAST 5-6 good years?

So that's high level until he's 38-39 years old.

On a guy who needs his mobility/agility?

When that falls off, so will he, dramatically.

 

Oh, let's not forget he's been tossed from two teams now.

 

I'm not sure what all the love for him is.

 

So he doesn't run as much.  He becomes a pocket passer more like the other other 5 or 6 year older guys I mentioned.  Randall Cunningham was able to make the adjustment and he ran a LOT more in his prime.  When he was a missed FG from the SB, he was purely a pocket passer. And a dang good one.

 

I saw Alex in several games this year.  Doesn't look like hes slowed down any.  Besides, if he does we'll dump him when he does.

 

Other team have gotten QBs older than him and been able to win super bowls with them. I'm thinking Kurt Warner and Peyton Manning.  Alex may not be as good as them, but he's pretty doggone good IMHO.

 

We could absolutely win and and get to playoffs with him for a few years, which is all I care about.  In the meantime, we keep looking.

Edited January 19, 2018 by reddogblitz

[Magox]

1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Really? At LEAST 5-6 good years?

So that's high level until he's 38-39 years old.

On a guy who needs his mobility/agility?

When that falls off, so will he, dramatically.

 

Oh, let's not forget he's been tossed from two teams now.

 

I'm not sure what all the love for him is.

 

Yes, really.

 

He's been a pretty good QB over the past 7 years and a really good QB this past year.   QB's now a days are playing well into their late 30's.  Look at Brees, Brady,  Roethlisberger, and Rivers.   These guys are still playing at an extremely high level and there is no reason to believe that Smith won't continue to play well.

 

Look at his stats since 2011

 

He has 69 and 35 record as a starter.   133 TD's and 43 interceptions with an average QB rating throughout that period of just below 100.  He has consistently had over a 90 QB rating every single year since 2011 except one year and even in that year he had an 89 QB rating.  He's one of the 5 most mobile QB's in the league, he's smart and with him as the QB, we are probably looking at a consistently winning record and multiple playoff appearances over the next few years.  In the meantime you still keep searching for your young franchise QB.  He certainly is a step up from Tyrod and I'd be happy to see us trade for him.  He's worth a 2nd and a 3rd.

[SouthNYfan]

4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

So he doesn't run as much.  He becomes a pocket passer more like the other other 5 or 6 year older guys I mentioned.  Randall Cunningham was able to make the adjustment and he ran a LOT more in his prime.  When he was a missed FG from the SB, he was purely a pocket passer. And a dang good one.

 

I saw Alex in several games this year.  Doesn't look like hes slowed down any.  Besides, if he does we'll dump him when he does.

 

Other team have gotten QBs older than him and been able to win super bowls with them. I'm thinking Kurt Warner and Peyton Manning.  Alex may not be as good as them, but he's pretty doggone good IMHO.

 

We could absolutely win and and get to playoffs with him for a few years, which is all I care about.  In the meantime, we keep looking.

 

 

Brady and Brees were never mobile QBs, they were always pocket QBs.

 

Cunningham also wasn't very good once he got to age 30, and was hot garbage when he became a pocket passer.

Other than one statistical anomaly in Minnesota when he was throwing to RANDY MOSS and CHRIS CARTER.

You know, two of the top WRs in NFL history.

 

 

1 minute ago, Magox said:

 

Yes, really.

 

He's been a pretty good QB over the past 7 years and a really good QB this past year.   QB's now a days are playing well into their late 30's.  Look at Brees, Brady,  Roethlisberger, and Rivers.   These guys are still playing at an extremely high level and there is no reason to believe that Smith won't continue to play well.

 

Look at his stats since 2011

 

He has 69 and 35 record as a starter.   133 TD's and 43 interceptions with an average QB rating throughout that period of just below 100.  He has consistently had over a 90 QB rating every single year since 2011 except one year and even in that year he had an 89 QB rating.  He's one of the 5 most mobile QB's in the league, he's smart and with him as the QB, we are probably looking at a consistently winning record and multiple playoff appearances over the next few years.  In the meantime you still keep searching for your young franchise QB.  He certainly is a step up from Tyrod and I'd be happy to see us trade for him.  He's worth a 2nd and a 3rd.

 

Brady, Brees, Rivers are all pocket passers.

Ben has been for quite a while, and was never really a runner.

 

They aren't the same type of QB.

 

Smith would be a solid QB as a bridge, for 1-3 years max.

There's a reason teams keep getting rid of Smith.

He's not that great.

[26CornerBlitz]

28 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

He most likely is not towards the end of his career.  He is in the prime of his career and the way most QB's are playing and as agile as he still is, he probably has at LEAST 5-6 more good years left.

 

4 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

Yes, really.

 

He's been a pretty good QB over the past 7 years and a really good QB this past year.   QB's now a days are playing well into their late 30's.  Look at Brees, Brady,  Roethlisberger, and Rivers.   These guys are still playing at an extremely high level and there is no reason to believe that Smith won't continue to play well.

 

Look at his stats since 2011

 

He has 69 and 35 record as a starter.   133 TD's and 43 interceptions with an average QB rating throughout that period of just below 100.  He has consistently had over a 90 QB rating every single year since 2011 except one year and even in that year he had an 89 QB rating.  He's one of the 5 most mobile QB's in the league, he's smart and with him as the QB, we are probably looking at a consistently winning record and multiple playoff appearances over the next few years.  In the meantime you still keep searching for your young franchise QB.  He certainly is a step up from Tyrod and I'd be happy to see us trade for him.  He's worth a 2nd and a 3rd.

 

You must know something that Andy Reid doesn't.   He's middling with this year being the exception and that's why he's about to be jettisioned. 

[Magox]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

You must know something that Andy Reid doesn't.   He's middling with this year being the exception and that's why he's about to be jettisioned. 

 

He has not been "middling" by any stretch.   He's been pretty good until this past year where he was excellent.  And I don't know anything that Reid doesn't know, Reid most likely believes that he could do better with Mahomes, hence the trade up to get him.   All one has to do is look at his stats, his win loss record and the amount of times he's gone to the post season.  His weakness has been that he doesn't make the wow passes and he hasn't played his best football in the playoffs.   I'd love to have a guy like Alex while we are searching for our young franchise QB.   He'd be a great guy to mentor that QB.

12 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

 

Brady and Brees were never mobile QBs, they were always pocket QBs.

 

Cunningham also wasn't very good once he got to age 30, and was hot garbage when he became a pocket passer.

Other than one statistical anomaly in Minnesota when he was throwing to RANDY MOSS and CHRIS CARTER.

You know, two of the top WRs in NFL history.

 

 

 

Brady, Brees, Rivers are all pocket passers.

Ben has been for quite a while, and was never really a runner.

 

They aren't the same type of QB.

 

Smith would be a solid QB as a bridge, for 1-3 years max.

There's a reason teams keep getting rid of Smith.

He's not that great.

 

 

He's not great, he's good.   

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

 

He has not been "middling" by any stretch.   He's been pretty good until this past year where he was excellent.  And I don't know anything that Reid doesn't know, Reid most likely believes that he could do better with Mahomes, hence the trade up to get him.   All one has to do is look at his stats, his win loss record and the amount of times he's gone to the post season.  His weakness has been that he doesn't make the wow passes and he hasn't played his best football in the playoffs.   I'd love to have a guy like Alex while we are searching for our young franchise QB.   He'd be a great guy to mentor that QB.

 

Middling!

[Magox]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Middling!

 

 

That is not middling.

 

Since 2011 he has won more than twice as many as he has lost, he has nearly 3 times more TD's than interceptions and a QB rating in the mid to upper 90's.

 

Not middling by any stretch of the imagination.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Magox said:

 

 

That is not middling.

 

Since 2011 he has won more than twice as many as he has lost, he has nearly 3 times more TD's than interceptions and a QB rating in the mid to upper 90's.

 

Not middling by any stretch of the imagination.

 

He has won nothing.  Wins and losses are what teams do.  Quote all of the stats you'd like, but if he was that good KC would be holding on to him. 

[SouthNYfan]

7 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

He has not been "middling" by any stretch.   He's been pretty good until this past year where he was excellent.  And I don't know anything that Reid doesn't know, Reid most likely believes that he could do better with Mahomes, hence the trade up to get him.   All one has to do is look at his stats, his win loss record and the amount of times he's gone to the post season.  His weakness has been that he doesn't make the wow passes and he hasn't played his best football in the playoffs.   I'd love to have a guy like Alex while we are searching for our young franchise QB.   He'd be a great guy to mentor that QB.

 

 

He's not great, he's good.   

 

 

Right.

He's not great.

He's good.

 

That's my point.

He is going to be 34 when the season starts.

He doesn't have 5-6 good years left.

 

Every single QB who you are using as a comparison for guys still maintaining a high level past 35 and towards 40 (Brees and Brady) or the ones still performing around 35 (Rivers and Ben) are all head and shoulders above Smith.

3 of them are hall of fame locks.

Rivers might wind up there one day.

Ben it's on the verge of retirement, regardless of his stats.

They are also so pocket QBs, Smith loses his mobility he's probably done for.

 

Those guys are all great, so you can risk keeping them because even with a decline they are still good to very good.

Smith starting at "good" leaves little margin for decline while still being effective.

 

If Smith is cheap and DOESN'T hinder our plan for getting a young QB I'm good with him for 1-3 years.

I'm not okay with him being our 5 year plan.

[Southern Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He has won nothing.  Wins and losses are what teams do.  Quote all of the stats you'd like, but if he was that good KC would be holding on to him. 

Have you ever sat back and thought that others may just simply have different opinions than you? Or maybe you don’t know everything there is to know about football rather than telling everyone with a different opinion how they don’t know anything?

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Southern Bills Fan said:

Have you ever sat back and thought that others may just simply have different opinions than you? Or maybe you don’t know everything there is to know about football rather than telling everyone with a different opinion how they don’t know anything?

 

It's a football forum to discuss differing opinions.  Now shoo!

[Southern Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

It's a football forum to discuss differing opinions.  Now shoo!

Yea, another internet tough guy. Lol

[Dr.Sack]

Alex Smith sucks.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

Yea, another internet tough guy. Lol

 

Bye bye birdie. 

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He has won nothing.  Wins and losses are what teams do.  Quote all of the stats you'd like, but if he was that good KC would be holding on to him. 

 

We'll see. I'm not convinced they won't. He's under contract one more year and Patrick's not going anywhere.  

[reddogblitz]

21 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I think your mischaracterizing me but maybe not. I'd rather watch Tyrod than Alex Smith. 

 

But if we're going to Alex Smith, I'd rather just suck and get a high pick.

 

Neither of those guys are winning two games in January and if you don't do that, what's the point.

 

The stretch run in December was not amazing. The most exciting play all year this team had didnt even involve the bills. 

 

December games were awful. Did you watch them?

 

Pats loss - boring, no offensive td

Colts win- only entertaining because of the snow, the football was not entertaining

Pats loss - boring, 2 out of 3 games with out an offensive td

Dolphins win- boring, dolphins were flat, bills did what they needed and the game didn't matter given the help they needed.

 

December... was boring. But you can go on some purist bs or whatever and how you just love your football.

 

If this is winning to you, then I feel bad for you. They've been 9-7 before, the team wasn't good this year. They lucked in. 

 

Sorry if I mischaracterized you. The only place I saw Hotrod mentioned in your post was that he's not as good as Smith and they both don't throw to WRs.

 

As far as the bolded, how many teams will win 2 games in playoffs this year?  Maybe 3.  Jacksonville, maybe NE, and the winner of Eagles vs Vikes.  That's a tall order.  You say you would rather suck than go with a QB like Alex or Hotrod.  How do you know before the season starts you'll win 2 or not so you know wether to try to win or suck?  And really you have idea if Alex or Hotrod will be on teams that do.  Did you think Jeff Hostetller or Trent Dilfer or Mark Rypien or Doug Williams or Jim McMahon could before they did?

 

It's just a difference in philosophy between us.  You and many others here think if you don't win the SB, the season was a failure.  Shoulda sucked for a high pick instead.  As for me, I want to see the Bills win games.  Going to the Ralph or watching a win on TV is way more fun than losing for a high pick.  

 

All you got out of the Colts game was snow?  Our slim playoff chances rested on the game and the guys totally came together and won as a team.  After the punt, our D stopped them which they were having trouble doing.  Then Joe freakin' Webb III hits that pass to Thompson followed by a Shady TD due in large part to a great block by Richie.  That was the day I thought, you know what, we just might make it this year.  That's what playoff teams do. Win tough games down the stretch. Teams of the past 17 yeas would have figured out a way to blow that game. Sorry you had such a boring December.

 

After the 3 game slump, we won 4 out of 6 to secure a spot.  

 

How did we "lucked in"?  Luck is part of the game.  The Titans got a playoff win because in large part a good play by a defender ended up bouncing into his bread basket and he took it in for a TD.  Luck?  A lot of people say Minnesota lucked out too. It's a funny shaped ball.  It bounces oddly.  The Steelers totally lucked out on the Immaculate Reception.  The Steelers lucked out to win a SB because Jackie Smith dropped a TD in the EZ.  The Giants lucked out because because of Wide Right. It's part of the game. You just have to be able to capitalize on it.

 

As far as Cincy, come on man,  you're smarter than that (I hope).  What if Joe Webb III misses on that pass, does Dalton's still get us in?  what about if we don't come back from 7 down int he 4th quarter to beat the Bucs to defend our dirt at the Ralph?  Does Andy's pass still get us in?

 

I know to you it's not a good season unless you win the SB.  My theory is if you make the playoffs it's good.  And yes, after 17 years of back to back to back 6-10 seasons and 4-12 seasons and back to back to back 7-9 season, yes a playoff berth at 9-7 feels really sweet.

 

Please don't worry about me though.  I'm doing just fine

 

Go BILLS !!

[Zerovoltz]

Just some help for those of you that haven't quite grasped why Alex Smith is available.  1. KC is in cap hell this offseason.  2.  KC has a low dollar, ready to go replacement (who the fans also want) and that they invested resources in to grab at #10 last year, as you all well know.  These are the 2 obvious reasons..the third reason is that Alex Smith understands, and is very good at being safe with a football.  NFL passer ratings heavily reward you for throwing a two yard completion into the flat on 3rd and 8 instead of being intercepted trying to make the throw that gets you a first down.  Nothing wrong with protecting the football.  The problem is that Smith is not a good Red Zone QB, and he is not a good 4th quarter QB...and if you watch Smith play, he abondons way too many good pockets often making nothing out of something (yes, you read that right)  There aren't stats for how Smith is "too safe".  He is a very good player...but certainly not great....he DOES NOT elevate the talent on your roster....you must put really good folks around him in order for his safe and efficient play to be of value.  There you go.  

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

My opinion on Alex Smith is he would be a upgrade but you still need to build a very good team around him to produce. I wouldn't give up more than a 3rd for him