billsfan89 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Just now, BUFFALOBART said: If we didn't trade Sammy, we might've hosted this game. We'll never know...... Gaines was a big player for this secondary when he played in 11 games, Sammy didn't light it up with the Rams as much as everyone thought. Also Sammy Watkins was not going to propel this team over the Pats* as we would have to have won the division to host a game. I think the Sammy trade was good as long as we can retain Gaines and have him healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, mjd1001 said: I don't hate Taylor..but he is what he is...an average to slightly below average starting QB. Can you win some games with him...maybe a playoff game? Sure, but to be a true superbowl contender, you need better. I'll take any new guys because I know what I have now is not good enough. He is a very-below average starting QB, and in reality is a high-end backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Just now, BUFFALOBART said: Disagree. After #87 went down for the 'Chefs', the offense collapsed, and their "D" couldn't stop anyone.. Losing Kelce was the game for them. So too was bad play-calling. I've been saying the Bills need a better QB and OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I;ve thought about this all season. Everybody on this board come to the home page...season the record and the points given up in games we've won....they are very low. Taylor is not the reason we won games. Time to stop thinking the best of bad QBing and set you sight higher. Could you be disappointed----yep. But maybe, just maybe we take a step forward. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, StevieJohnsonGOAT said: That was one of the worst QB performances I've ever seen in the playoffs. Tyrod should be ashamed of himself. Thank god he's gone next year You knew it was coming before the game started though right ? I did, passing offense has been a snooze for 2 Years running 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 If you think Tyrod Taylor can take the Bills deep into the playoffs, I recommend turning the channel to Fox and watch the QB play in the game currently airing on that channel. It will not take you long to realize that TT (or Bortles) for that matter can not and will never be able to do it. Anyone that thinks anything different has lost their minds. Keeping Taylor is the only thing that McD and Beane can do at this point that would make me question their abilities. No way they do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Just now, BUFFALOBART said: Sammy was Tyrod's primary weapon. From what I understand, they worked out together during the off season. The Front Office expected Zay Jones, to fill those shoes, but #11 laid a giant egg. Oh. But hey: We have a # 2 pick for Sammy! (COUGH!) Did you see what Watkins did, or more precisely didn't do, yesterday? And as billsfan89 said, Watkins wasn't going to get them over the Cheaters, which is what they would have needed to host a game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Bills Pimpin' said: If you think Tyrod Taylor can take the Bills deep into the playoffs, I recommend turning the channel to Fox and watch the QB play in the game currently airing on that channel. It will not take you long to realize that TT (or Bortles) for that matter can not and will never be able to do it. Anyone that thinks anything different has lost their minds. Keeping Taylor is the only thing that McD and Beane can do at this point that would make me question their abilities. No way they do it. If the Bills were to draft a rookie QB high and stick with Taylor as the placeholder then I wouldn't have an issue. They need to build a longer-term possibility with their QB play but having Tyrod for one more year while a rookie grows and learns isn't a bad plan. As I said is Alex Smith at the cost of a high draft pick and cap space that much of an upgrade over Tyrod? I don't think so, I know a lot of people disagree with that but I don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Just now, BUFFALOBART said: All depends on how a player fits into a system. I was never a fan of Sammy, (See my 'Suck it up, Sammy posts) but I do think he gave us the best chance for Tyrod to succeed, and for making the playoffs this season. Zay Jones, on the other hand......PPPFFFFTT!!!!!!! Maybe with Watkins, you're looking at the 5th seed. But he'd be gone next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: Sammy was Tyrod's primary weapon. From what I understand, they worked out together during the off season. The Front Office expected Zay Jones, to fill those shoes, but #11 laid a giant egg. Oh. But hey: We have a # 2 pick for Sammy! (COUGH!) The front office went 5-2 without Sammy, they then traded for Kelvin Benjamin who should have been able to replicate Sammy's production. Kevlin got hurt, Matthews got hurt, Clay even got dinged up. This season wouldn't have gone that much different had they had Sammy, Gaines was also a big part of the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Just now, billsfan89 said: The front office went 5-2 without Sammy, they then traded for Kelvin Benjamin who should have been able to replicate Sammy's production. Kevlin got hurt, Matthews got hurt, Clay even got dinged up. This season wouldn't have gone that much different had they had Sammy, Gaines was also a big part of the defense. Yeah, likely without trading Watkins, they don't get Gaines, who was huge for the Bills this year. Just now, BUFFALOBART said: The NFL, is about winning now. And Watkins was the difference in that? Again look at yesterday's game for evidence otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Just now, BUFFALOBART said: Good points, but I'd rather have Sammy, than Zay Jones, who was mostly a waste of a roster spot...... In hindsight, I'd rather have EJ Gaines and a 2nd rounder. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Just now, BUFFALOBART said: Tyrod's 'weapons' did not distinguish themselves this season. Would you say Watkins did with the Rams? And would you say Gaines did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Lmao at people still pining for Sammy.... cause he did so much during his post season game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: It's all about chemistry. Kelly to Reed. Montana, to Rice....etc... Draft picks are simply a lottery ticket..... Apples to Oranges. I think Watkins would've been better for the Bills. We'll agree to disagree then. I had no problems with trading him because he didn't contribute much last year, wasn't going to be re-signed, and they added a player with similar production in Matthews. Matthews got hurt and was basically useless, but they got a 2nd rounder and Gaines, who was a far bigger difference-maker for the Bills. I'd even go so far as to say that without him, they don't make the playoffs. And nothing I saw from Watkins this year makes me change my mind. Edited January 7, 2018 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: Tyrod's 'weapons' did not distinguish themselves this season. It is difficult to be a "weapon" if you are never thrown to, or the throws to you are high over your head Edited January 7, 2018 by Wily Dog spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 This has nothing to do with Tyrods weopons. I don't know why the conversation always turns to his weopons or his coaches. It's about his talent and his abilities. He's not good enough and it doesn't matter who is playing WR. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 24 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: Good points, but I'd rather have Sammy, than Zay Jones, who was mostly a waste of a roster spot...... That's a pretty obvious thing to say. You would rather have a player that produces than a player who struggled a lot his rookie year. It's kind of easy to say you would rather have the player that produced more. I don't doubt that a healthy Sammy would have had a positive impact on the offense talent wise but Gaines not being on defense was a big minus and even factoring that out Sammy wasn't the big difference for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I can only speak for myself but I feel no joy in seeing Tyrod failing when it mattered the most. He had three chances in the 4th quarter to make a difference and he failed each time. I like him. he is a great athlete and gives you exciting moments but he is not the answer. I wish him well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 26 minutes ago, Wily Dog said: It is difficult to be a "weapon" if you are never thrown to, or the throws to you are high over your head Or you drop them when the pass hits you between the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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